I was sitting on the deck overlooking the Red Sea. Israeli security officers (most who looked around 18 years old) had completed around two hours of questioning and searching me. They had pressed every sock and scarf with a security device, ripped open soap and had me strip extra layers. They asked me tons of questions–where are you going? Who do you know? Do you have a boyfriend? Is he Arab, Egyptian, Palestinian? Why do you live in Egypt? Why not Israel? What do you know about the ‘conflict’ here? What do you think? They quized me on Judaism,which I know nothing about.
Then they asked me to wait. Since they had asked for friends and families phone numbers I assumed they might be calling to verify my answers to questions or confirm I really had extended family in Tel Aviv. An announcement played over the sound system, interrupting my break in the sunshine. First in Hebrew, then Arabic, then in English. It was something along the lines of, ” do not to be alarmed by gunshots because the Israeli security needs to blow up suspicious passanger luggage.”
I went inside to check on my bag. I had left it unattended, where they instructed. It was still there so I went back outside.
Moments later a man came outside and introduced himself as the manager on duty. And then, “I’m sorry but we had to blow up your laptop. ”
What….all my client case notes and testimony, writing, pictures, music and applications. Years of work. NO!!!! What?? Are you insane?? What were you thinking? THAT’S ALL MY WORK!?
After much yelling, crying and frantic phone dialing (don’t be alarmed if I called you repeatedly this morning), he took me outside to see the wreckage. It turned out it hadn’t been quite blown up, but rather shot through with three bullets. We were able to extract the hard drive, seemingly unscaved. Thank goodness…
Security had never asked for my password. Was it my peeling Arabic stickers on the keyboard? Or something else during the questioning which set them off?
Toward the beginning of the search an officer began clicking through the photos on my camera. She froze on a picture of graffiti, which read “Fuck” scrawled next to the Jewish star of David. “Why do you have this picture?” She asked me rather aggressively. “Because I was disturbed by it too,” I answered. She didn’t press the subject but continued clicking…presumably looking at pictures from a photo exhibit about Israel’s January attack of Gaza.
Though I usually delete all my pictures when uploading, unluckily I had clicked save rather than delete when uploading this set and never got around to manually deleting on my camera. Whoops…
Among other suspicious item; an Arabic phrasebook, a journal entry that mentioned a Palestinian(yes, they even flipped through my journal), stamps from Syria, Qatar and the UAE, Palestinians in Palestine guidebook, and a map a friend had drawn with a main street in Jerusalem, the central bus station and my intended hostel. “Who are you meeting there?” They asked me.
Anyway I am in Jerusalem. Years of my life and my RLAP work is not destroyed. *sigh*. Insha’allah I will like Israel better tomorrow….

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I’m sorry to hear this. Did they offer to pay for a new laptop? And I’m going to go back up my hard drive tonight.
-Tim
as you describe it – you had written all over your things that you are comeing not in peace but as a threthend to israel, can you remember that israel is surrounded by not so nice people that wan’t to destroy her. and they are using any kind of way to kill and bomb. by sending rockets ( and saying insaalla they will kill children and women). by bombing buses, shooting by automatic weapons cafe houses, restorants, and suiciding in many places while killing everything they can. israel is only defending itself and we are used to people who try to heart us in any way they can – even in blogs.
we are a peacful nation – and will love to show you all our places – which jews can walk together with christian and muslims. can you show this to us in saudi, lebanon, surya or any other place ?
i wish they would not blew your laptop – but believe me – no soldier would like to do it just to make any kind of statement or in joke.
if you need any kind of tour and to help you change your mind about israel – you can send me an E-mail and i would love to spare some time and show you good and loveing israelis
Noam
You, sir, are a hysterical idiot.
how in the world can you say shooting someone’s laptop is going to protect Israel. It was obviously a blatant show of force not unlike the crimes committed by the IDF against Palestinians in the name of protecting the Jewish State. Get real.
“israel is surrounded by not so nice people that wan’t to destroy her” –
Don’t you mean the otherway round?
Since its inception, the experiment in social engineering that has become known as Isreal, has systematically sought to threaten and intimidate every single one of its neighbours, a signifigant portion of its own population and most of its visitors.
Israel has stolen the best years from our children, brainwashing them with Zionist propaganda and turning them into paranoid, deeply racist soldiers.
So long as Israel continues to antagonize anyone who is not Israeli its problems will never end.
So we build a wall around ourselves.
Every time anyone says that Israel is our only friend in the Middle East, I can’t help but think that before Israel, we had no enemies in the Middle East.”
— John Sheehan, S.J.
This is a reply to KBrennan. This is one of the best lines I ever read about that conflict. I tip my hat for you.
A peaceful nation does not shoot laptops at the airport.
Noam, Israel is the strongest problem for peace in this world.
All Israelis are warmly welcome in their home countries, in Germany, Europe, Poland, Russia or USA or elsewhere. But please stop the terrorisation of the poor palestine people.
@Peter
Dear Peter,
An Arab entity called “Palestinian people” doesn’t exist, even though some Arabs tend to call themselves “Palestinians”.
There are some groups and tribes of arabs immigrating into palestine some 200 years ago – to work for the turkish Ottomans building their railways. They came from Egypt (El-Masri), from Jordan, Syria etc. That’s about it.
Seek and you shall find that the Romans were the ones who called this land Palestine, but there was never a state called Palestine, it just didn’t exist.
Israel IS Palestine, the jews ARE THE REAL palestinians.
The arab tribes immigrating into Palestine some 200 years ago nowdays claim they are a nation. They are NOT. They are still a handfull of tribes and can go back to the countries they came from – Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan etc. which surely shall embrace them back in open arms.
So, as I am too jewish AND a true palestinian – pleae, dear Peter, Stop harassing me and stop your laughable lies.
One last thing – TERROR is the Arabs work and doing. Ask around, maybe in the nearby-friendly mosque, where they will be glad to explain it to you…
Remember – make love, no war.
David
You are nuts! Israel is a terrorist state ‘her’self and the entire Judaism of which you appear to be so proud, is based on terrorism just like Islam and Christianity and most other religions in the world that have similar issues!
Those young guards are not even properly trained enough to know that if there is any serious threat inside a computer it’s the hard disk drive inside it that contain information that may be valueable in one way or other.
Sorry friend, but if you guys back there in that perilous land you call “holy” are stuck with terrorists who also happen to be your own brothers by blood, then so be it since one receives what one deserves as the Arab countries or Iran close by do so too!
Shalom!
sorry for what hapend to u Sara.
i don’t know about what Noam talk those who around u all u killed them children and took them land as even UN said, what u need from them to do?!! i’m sorry that all them answer is lass than u deserve over that i can see how “must advanced country in the middle east” protect itself by so high technology and defence from suspected poor laptop and i can imagen if u suspect from some person what u could do:).
by the way about what u talk in:
“which jews can walk together with christian and muslims.” in Israel?!! it’s bad joke man
any one can see how christian are respected with ur nice TV1 when talk about Mary and Jesus peace be upon them with it stupid unsuspected joke without any one say sorry from ur government and how muslims so respected in them even they took them grave in Jerusalem have more than 1000 year old as muslims graveyard to build over it settlement
i’ll just talk about Syria as i live here till now we have street could “sharea alyahod” mean Jew street and we had till now many Synagogue, there is nice one and church with old mosque they share same wall in babtoma in Damascus (any one can ask for pix) with jew we left so long and till now we don’t have any problem with any religion
BUT with unsuspected ppl who took the land and use other ppl like a slave or 2nd 3ed 10th degree even by them national ID just cuz different religion for sure we have a problem and I’m proud I’m Israeli enemy.
(forgive me i’m sorry for my fault Lily to writ “sara”)
This is rubbish. I dont believe it!!!!!!!
You don’t believe that they’d give her a new laptop?
it is standard procedure in isreal to shot luggage and bags that have been left unattended. Its the quick bomb *disposal* method. Clearly there was a miscommunication among the border guards. Some of them assumed her luggage was ‘unattended’.
a quick search will show you that this sort of things happens alot over there.
I agree with you Jay. This story is bullshit. There are so many holes in her story that it’s quite easy to see that she got exactly what she deserved.
She left her laptop, sitting unattended, in a public place, in Israel. I don’t believe the part about being told to leave it unattended and she just calmly walked away and went outside to sit down and enjoy the view. Years of work? And she just left it sitting there? Yeah right.
Although we don’t have any right to judge if the decision was wrong considering Israel is a very uncongenial place to be, logic will simply tell you that shooting a laptop to diffuse the situation is entirely is not correct. Another Point of view over the event: http://bit.ly/macbook-gundown-israel-airport
Israelis judge people every day, and hardly hear the other side of the history. I am not against Israel, because I recognize the right of all human being to try to live in peace and respectfully.
I hope one day an Israelis like you would also be able to respect others point of view, and maybe live without a war.
Well, maybe it was time for you to buy a Dell…
If they shot the laptop – they probably had a very good reason to do it.
I’m not sure if that’s the funniest or the most idiotic comment I’ve ever seen. A good reason? Have to wonder what ‘reason’ they’d say…
The concept of “a good reason” is subjective. It seems that they were harassing her, if anything. I think this because she does not even fit the typical profile of a terrorist. MALE, young adult, poor education, poor financially. There are exceptions, but this is the typical terrorist. VERY RARELY is a terrorist female.
This is just a scam by Apple to get people to buy the AppleCare Protection Plan. The Israeli government gets a cut.
“Well, maybe it was time for you to buy a Dell…”
Wait… What?
Of all the decent and reliable laptop brands… you choose Dell for that sentence?
There must be something seriously wrong with you.
I don’t get it. What plausible reason could they have for shooting a laptop? If they thought it was a bomb, the last thing you’d want to do is shoot it, no? And if it’s data they’re worried about, confiscation and examination works just as well, although I vaguely remember reading somewhere that they didn’t even ask for the password. And even if they didn’t want to, there are other ways to get through to the files on a computer you’ve confiscated and don’t have to password for.
Why would not you keep your DELL to yourself and your snazy opion as well. By the way have I mentioned that Mac rules???
First @Blogger, sorry they shot your laptop, so no jokes
@Daniel Sorry to say, she DOES fit the typical profile of the single (white) female, coming from a western world, with Arab connections or affiliations.
I’ve been through airport security from my home town, and in Israel, and because of my profile, the “naive single female” with perhaps an Arab boyfriend, carrying electronics, that could be explosive, I too had to go through long security checks.
Why? Because there have been several stupid bitches who brought in “packages” from their Arab boyfriends, fortunately they’ve been stopped, thanks to Israeli security.
🙂
Good point. I’ll remember to bring that up during future discussions about, for example, the Holocaust. I’m sure “they probably had a very good reason to do it” will settle this matter once and for all and leave everybody happy so that we can talk about nicer things. Now, where can I get these bullet-proof Dells?
Dell is a piece of fucking shit. Get a Mac.
“Hi I’m an apple”
“Hi, i’m an M16” *BAM!*
LOL!
This was probably a bigger caliber though. looks like a 9mm at least (M16 is 5.56mm).
Looks more like an Uzi.
the Uzi is typically 9mm
I think。
It should be AK-47
“Hi I’m an apple”
“Hi, i’m an Galil ″ *BAM!* *BAM!* *BAM!*
(Galil is 7.62mm.)
Funny!
I guess if you work in the kitchen one day your going to be burnt…..
Hi Tim,
Thanks…yeah…seriously…back things up…I’m sooooo lucky the hard drive is presumably Ok. They’re supposed to replace the laptop– I have a piece of paper with an address in Hebrew. It took me hours to figure out where it is, and now it’s closed…..really frustrating/nonsensica, but it should be OK. And hey, I will never forget this trip 😉
Truly, you are an adventurer.
I am curious, though. What is the efficacy of shooting a laptop, verses… doing something else. Anything else. And were they purposefully avoiding the hard drive and aiming at, say, the batteries?
My first thought as well.
If I wanted to destroy a laptop quickly, efficiently and completely, bullets would not be the answer. I’d say fire might be, or crushing, but certainly not bullets.
Maybe they were just bored and cruel?
Hi there, I’m very sorry to hear about your unhappy experience with Israeli military personnel. I lived in Israel for a time as a young adult and had my fair share of run-ins with Israeli military and police–once I was backpacking in the north on the border of Lebanon and found myself staring down the barrel of an M-16 until I could find my American passport. The methods they use over there are more than a bit strict, I agree, and sometimes completely uncalled-for.
Look at it this way, though: I was in Israel during the Summer War with Lebanon, and despite the falling missiles and threatened terror attacks, I still felt safer than I ever have in the USA. I think the security efforts have paid off, with statistics showing a 97% decrease in terrorist attacks since the implementation of the fence and other more aggressive anti-terror methods.
Do I think the IDF was justified in firing up your macbook? Absolutely not.
Do I think that Israel is a safer place because they show the discipline and care to inspect even the most minor suspicions and treat them as possible threats? Absolutely.
I do hope you’re reunited with a new Macbook soon. Let me know if you have any questions regarding Israel. I made a full-length documentary on my experience and have blogged on it extensively as well.
Shalom, Salaam, and may your trip be safe and meaningful.
-Aron
when Israeli soldiers shoot Palestinians, they’re supposed to aim at the legs first. Maybe they have some secret procedures for shooting laptops too…
Chances are they don’t like Americans with attitudes, I would guess that’s why they shot the laptop, not because it was a “bomb” and not for security reasons but rather to illustrate to the “American Traveler” how it is.
In fact it’s rather humorous and I could see my self doing the same thing to some smart ass.
In addition if you own a Macbook pro 13 inch and you aren’t using time machine you’re a fool.
30% hard drive failure rate on the white plastic ones and the failure rate has yet to be determined on the newer aluminum models.
In any case, stay home until you mature.
Gunshots are the standard procedure for disabling a suspected explosive device. You don’t try to disassemble it (or even open it if it is a laptop) because it could be booby trapped. Gunshots will disrupt the detonation train so that it won’t work, or will cause it to go off prematurely.
In other words, they weren’t aiming for or away from the HD, they were just aiming at the laptop in general, so that the impact would either set off or disable any bombs.
@John: “illustrate how is it”… lol
they wasted hours of their officers time with a guy that posed no security risk and they wasted a grand of their state money for the fun of shooting a laptop and giving him a replacement.
If they wanted to illustrate that they are hopeless paranoid dorks, well they succeeded.
Agree on the backup though, very often it takes much less than a batshit crazy customs officer to lose your data.
Yeah. Stay home and make snarky comments on other people’s blogs about their computers.
*sigh*
Glad to hear your HD is ok. At the same time, I’m pissed because indirectly the American taxpayer will end up footing the bill to reimburse the laptop. (note to self: write to my congressman about foreign aid)
@ John:
Chances are you’re a hater, I would guess that’s why you finished your comment with such idiotic cheap shot. In fact it’s rather humorous that you followed your own advise & stayed home (apparently long enough to know the statistics of HD failure). In any case, stay away from the keyboard until.. forever.
The sad truth is that the replacement will probably be confiscated from some poor Arab.
The only thing that surprises me is the naïveté in your reaction to the border police.
Take a good look at your blog. You have spent several months in Egypt, with side trips to the Gulf and Syria (a country that remains at war with Israel some 35 years after the end of the Yom Kippur war of 1973. A dictatorship that hosts more than one Palestinian terrorist group (HAMAS comes to mind very quickely) and others such as Hizballah.
Your visit there includes a meeting with Syrian ‘extremists’ (The Syrian student Union) according to your own blog post, who view the Israelis as Nazi’s (sorry, Zionist Fascists).
Your blog includes an anti-Israel slant when you discuss the region. You have a Fuck the Jews graffiti photo on your camera and then photo’s of the Gaza fight from this past January.
You have a Palestinians in Palestine guidebook, Arab to English dictionary, Palestinian contacts, and a map of central Jerusalem with the locations of large numbers of civilians congregate. A city that has seen numerous terrorist attacks, including suicide bombers during the past decade.
And you’re shocked by the reception you got from the border police?!?
Lily, stretch your imagination for just a moment beyond your own young 21 years and realize that these “18 year old” security officers aren’t just some random civil servents marking time. They consider themselves the front line in protecting not just their homes but families including parents, siblings, children, and neighbors.
You may not remember it, but it was just last year when Palestinians were driving construction equipment into cars and busses last year killing several people in addition to attacking a religious school killing eight teenagers. All of this took place in Jerusalem.
The intensity of the questioning and the shooting of your laptop, may seem callous or over the top to you, but this is the response developed to decades of terrorist attacks. Who knows, maybe the shooting of the laptop was in response to something picked up by a chemical sensor that triggered a warning about a bomb. It wouldn’t be the first time that an innocent was used as an unknowning carrier of explosives.
Jacob blues.
Do you really think shooting that laptop might have made the world a safer place? Do you really consider it was “… protecting not just their homes but families including parents, siblings, children, and neighbors.”
For that matter, do you really think a terrorist would try entering the country with such obvious ‘anti Israel’ indicators?
No, the real reason the border police act in this disgraceful manner (to those of us in liberal democracies) is that they’re socialised or institutionalised to be malicious to Palestinians. End of.
It’s pretty evident that the laptop wasn’t legally destroyed- in the UK, for example, a laptop that proved terrorist intent would be kept intact (as evidence) and the owner arrested.
And I’m afraid that kind of behaviour is self reinforcing- you believe your own dubious propaganda, and it reinforces the dubious propaganda of those you are against.
Supporting a clearly malicious by officials is pretty poor, to be honest. It took a while, but we learned, in the UK, that to destroy terrorists we had to undermine their support. The only way this could be done was by respecting the rule of law and respecting the rights of everyone, including those with quite different backgrounds and views to ourselves. When soldiers and policemen acted outside the law, they were held accountable for their actions. Like I say, it took a while for that to develop, but in the long run, we’re now working towards peace.
I find Lilly’s post and your reply very saddening.
you’re a f*cking moron, get over yourself Jacob.
Well, I never heard of any other computers being shot before in Israel. I guess you had something there that got the security guys worried. I think that by your specification of the soldier age and other details you do have something to hide. I think you just needed a reason to write something about Israel and what you had on your computer was probably that reason.
Seriously, you think they found something incriminating and decided to BLOW UP the evidence?
The reason Airport security shoots a laptop is that if there is a possibility that its a bomb they figured that’s a good way to disarm it. if they found data-stuff on a booted computer that they thought was incriminating then they are probably commiting a crime by destroying the evidence.
Snort!!!! You are infirmed mentally or physically… does she sound like a terrorist? Don’t the Isaelis have xray and bomb detection devices? After all, it was ON THE FRIGGIN’ BORDER!!!
You, sir, are a fool… paranoid in every way…
*Facepalm* about that comment. ever heard of Freedom of speech?
even if he would write something negative about any country or person its his right to do so.
Whoa! A conspiracy theorist!
Hitler said the same thing about jews and other minorities.
does she sound like a terrorist?
Actually, yeah. Stamps showing visits to terrorist-infested countries, materials indicating anti-Jew sentiments, books suggesting that she intended to spend her time in the occupied territories rather than with the extended family; that all points to a pretty standard terrorist profile.
@ Michael and Phelps,
You are both idiots. You are being hypocritical saying she doesn’t have the right to have anti-jew stickers or comments, yet you are already judging her as a “terrorist” and assuming she has “things to hide.” GROW UP YOU NAIVE A-HOLES.
I am Jewish, and so is she. I may LOVE Israel, and follow some Jewish traditions, but I’m not going to call my friend a terrorist because she feels that the stupid war between Israel and Arabic countries is unnecessary and damaging to our world. Her opinions matter because she wants the best for the world, for all people, and that means no fighting over nonsense like traditions and culture.
People like you, Michael and Phelps, are reasons why we have wars. Because you do not understand others and you do not WANT to. You live in your own bubbles, judging, and assuming anything you have been taught is correct. Open your eyes and rather than sit back and judge, make a damn change that actually benefits everyone else but yourself.
I have never heard of this “laptop shooting” as procedure either, but it just goes to show how crazed we have all become in creating distance and hate, separating us from “different” people. I do not understand either why you have to SHOOT a laptop, to what? Get rid of “information”??? They could have easily ASKED her to show them what was on there, if they thought it was suspicious. You do not shoot and ask questions later. You do not go shooting people you think are suspicious without any clear evidence DIRECTLY backing up a reason, and even then, YOU DON’T FREAKING SHOOT. Gunfire triggers more gunfire, thus our dumb wars. Stop, people, and just LEARN to accept others, or accept their differences and just RELAX, AND ENJOY LIVING. Why waste your effort hating on others? If you do this, you clearly are so bored with your own life, that you indulge your negativity into others.
The goal was to intimidate a writer/journalist type who obviously had conversational contact with people who weren’t Israeli and are residents of the middle east – probably islamic. She *might* be a journalist whose writing *might* not adhere to an Israeli official’s/soldier’s view of the Gazan conflict.
If short circuiting bad PR about the continuing middle eastern/Israeli conflict is your goal, I’d say it was pretty effective use of the soldier’s time. A damaged laptop is nothing by comparison. A thousand dollars is a small price to pay to trip up a literate person who *might* write from a non-Israeli viewpoint.
you are crazy! all of the assumptions that you have made are wrong.
I read an article about what happened to you in Haaretz – http://it.themarker.com/tmit/article/9129
I think there was a big misunderstanding and you should contact the american embassy in Tel Aviv and check how you get a compensation for what happened to your PC.
You should understand that Israel is a country of western democracy in the middle of the jungle, and sometimes extreme measures have to be taken to defend the state from our enemies. Supposedly, the guards mistakenly suspected you were connected to anti-israeli (terrorist?) activity and that’s why you got this attitude. I hope they were wrong and that you’ll understand the security measures better next time.
Finally, your remarks about shooting children e.t.c are quite stupid, and I hope you’ll learn to get info from better sources than your anti-israeli friends and biased media like BBC and Aljazeera . I also think that you don’t freak out when they tell you to take off your shoes at an American airport, right?
disclaimer, I’m from Brazil.
I do not disagree with the comments you made in the last paragraph. (a cousin of mine went to the USA and danced samba in front of the guards to protest.)
I’m trying so hard to understand how a police from a country which is, at least as you said, a “western democracy in the middle of the jungle” shoots first and ask questions later? How they destroy someone’s property without even investigating it?
A comment somewhere down ours here states that “innocent looking luggage were used sometime as cloaks for bombs”. It’s not that you (Israel) does not have the basic tech-y gadgets/methods to examine it and find if it has explosives or not…
seriously, one thing is the defence of a country’s soberany/integrity against terrorism and all, but another one is all this “we are superior and no one else is innocent around us” paranoia.
ps: and that’s because I do not want to go off-topic to discuss the Palestin questions…
If they shot my shoes full of holes, yes, I’d freak out.
Eli, sorry but… I don’t get it… if there was any sort of explosive into the computer, it’d blow their faces out. And if there was significant information into the hard drive, the drive is inside tel aviv presumably with all its data preserved… so… what did these stupid guards prevent your country from, anyways? shooting a computer? does a computer presents any hazard that you gotta shoot it?
haha
Yeah, like taking off your shoes is the same as destruction of property. “I hope they were wrong and that you’ll understand the security measures better next time” don’t even try to defend this kind of attitude, that was a clear sign of incompetence.
Really, Eli? You think shooting someone’s laptop, possibly destroying irreplaceable work and memories, is comparable to requiring travelers to remove their shoes at checkpoints? Really?
Taking your shoes off at an airport and getting your laptop shot up are not comparative in any way, shape, or form. The strangest part about it, is if the laptop was actually an explosive device, shooting it a couple of times seems like an incredibly crude/potentially unsafe method of disarming a bomb.
With all due respect to you and your country, and Lily’s previous comments notwithstanding (because I am unfamiliar with them) there is a fine line between security and a police state. I understand security, heck, I understand extreme security in the case of Israel, but there is NO defense for what was done to this woman. Even if she was a confirmed terrorist, it would have been far more effective to keep/investigate the data on the computer. If they had suspicious about her intentions, they could have asked to investigate the computer just as they investigated every other aspect of her life. Instead, having no intention of detaining the woman further, they chose to destroy her computer with no aim.
Believe me, I am in support of Israel, and I have also been detained by Israeli Airport security for hours, and never complained once, because I understood their position. This, my friend, crosses the line. I’ve observed from years of contact with Israeli friends and colleagues that you tend to always assume the best of your security forces. If someone has been mistreated, or abused by security forces, it is simply assumed that the victim misunderstood, or was in some way at fault. By your comment “you’ll understand the security measures better next time.” you seem to be one of these people. There is a huge difference between taking shoes of, and destroying an innocent person’s person and expensive property for absolutely no reason.
Eli, there was no logical explanation in this case for what happened. America is an ally of Israel–one that it desperately needs. Stories like this can do nothing but hurt Israel’s cause in the court of American public opinion. This story is making the rounds of Apple fandom like wildfire and nobody who reads it will be able to effectively defend Israeli actions here. As such, it would strongly behoove Israel to reign in its security forces and try to ensure they act intelligently, logically, and fairly in the future. Actions like this are going to hurt your country far, far more than help it. And your defense of these actions is just as damaging; “Israel, right or wrong” is like saying “my mother, drunk or sober.” It’s not a very wise or far-sighted attitude.
This has got to be the stupidest response I’ve read to this entry. A “country of western democracy in the middle of the jungle”? What kind of nonsense is that? Israel is well known as a braggart and a bully, and by far the worst of their crimes against other countries have not been prosecuted. I hope you’ll learn not to be a sheep someday, Eli.
“You should understand that Israel is a country of western democracy in the middle of the jungle, and sometimes extreme measures have to be taken to defend the state from our enemies.”
LOL … sure, so western and democratic they open fire on consumer electronics with live ammunition in public places. You are defending some ass-backwards antics, my friend.
Really Eli? When some media have the guts to call names, and depict Israel as not being the ‘Western democracy in the middle of the jungle’ as you describe it, then it’s automatically anti-Israel?
Here in this part of the western democracy we call that ‘the complete picture’ without the ‘we are superior’ attitude.
Thank you
It’s a good thing that they shot her laptop and not her. The Israelis probably used the excuse of:”The laptop was standing next to a terrorist (Israelie or Arab, take your pick) and we had to kill it. They probably had a Palestinian Human shield protecting them from the bad terrorist.
If Israel was a democracy, they wouldn’t be behaving this way. A Democracy, The Iziies ain’t.
“western democracy in the middle of the jungle” …. if you speak about a jungle it shows your lack of respect towards other countries and populations and placing your own country on a higher level then everybody else. Which is partly the main reason to all your problems and at the end demands higher security measures.
I think that perhaps labeling someone an anti-israeli simply because they disagree with you is one of the roots of the problems found in the middle east. Do the rest of the worls a favor. If youre gonna kill each other then kill each other. Get it overwith and stop acting self righteous.
They shoot children, Eli, whether you know it or not or refuse to admit it. You should learn what your own people are doing.
“Israel is a country of western democracy in the middle of the jungle”?
ha ha, that totally reveals you’re all a bunch of murderous racists, and ignorant by the way. In a western democracy the guards’ suspicions do not give them a right to behave like thugs.
I’m sorry Eli, but as an Israeli I can surely say WTF. Both about them shooting her laptop and about your reaction to it. It just gives Israel a bad name. I’m sure shooting the laptop was an honest mistake and she’ll get compensated – but it’s still a very weird mistake to make.
Lily, I hope you enjoyed the rest of your vacation a bit more, and that you got compensated for your laptop
I think you should go easy on Eli, what he is trying to explain is that those people who shot the computer acted on their own. It is not something we do in Israel, every person has a right to property and right to privacy and what they did was illegal and if/when they delt with they can lose their job, but I suspect they are doing their mandatory service. You see, in Israel everyone has to do a mandatory service of 3 years (for men). I believe these were just punks who were serving at this border crossing without any desire to be there, and they felt enraged and justified to do something that is abhorrent and illegal. Israelis who read the article agree this is the case. Lastly, Israelis, be they from the authorities or lay people, are inherently impatient people, but they have much much lesser tolerance to the idiocy of blaming Israel for killing children like it is a war criminal, while Israel as a matter of policy and action spends the blood of its soldiers and the money of its taxpayers to avoid collateral damage. I am an Israeli and had served as a soldier in the IDF, I can tell you that as a matter of policy soldiers and commanders are indoctrinated to protect innocent lives of Palestinians. The problem, and what angers Israelis is that the terrorist who present a daily clear and present danger to Israel, shoot at us from within civilian population that is highly dense. So even if Israel had alien technology it would not be able to protect is own civilians without hitting some other civilians that are basically used as humans shields by the terrorists.
So please, get your facts straight, Israel is definitely a source of much good, but like any other place it has some assholes who act in ways that are terrible, but nevertheless bear no representation of what and who Israel is a nation and a people.
So… the moment they suspect you might know somebody who doesn’t like israel that justifies shooting a laptop?
Think people! they could have just asked for the password but they must have had a bad day and decided to do some target practice.
I am not a racist person nor do i have any hateful feelings against Israel but this action is just another huge example of government BULLSHIT that just exists to make people feel like shit.
security needs to be very strict here. unattended parcels, packages, etc are routinely blown up if noone claims them.
obviously there was some kind of miscommunication here, either with you and the security people, or between themselves, but you have to understand the security point of view.
perhaps they were worried that if you turned on the computer it would blow up, or perhaps it was an accident,or of course it could’ve been young guys fooling around.
i’m not saying it justifies killing your computer, but you obviously aroused their suspicions. it is quite normal here to be questioned when entering and leaving the country, when going past security checks at bus stations etc.
depending on your answers you may get a longer check, interrogation, all your belongs searched etc.
young people travelling alone, especially coming in from arab countries, with lots of arab visas in their passports are going to be checked thoroughly and unfortunately with good reason a lot of the time.
hope you have a good stay regardless and get to learn more about israel. perhaps you will feel more connected.
put this down to experience, and be prepared to answer more questions when you leave the country.
Ah, so the BBC is Biased? That’s odd…. because on any other subject, they seem to have some good information.
Somehow i can imagine a border patrol fool to do this. Why? Because there’s so many stories just like this.
Let me guess… you were smart enough to encrypt files, and therefor a suspect?
Well, actually, I do not fly to the US because of all their paranoid (and as most independent security experts acknowledge mostly useless “feel good” ) TSA/DHS bullshit.
Not that it’s that relevant, with the US economy in shambles and the USD so low, there is personally no sensible business in the US for me 🙂
If this story is true, there is no big misunderstanding. The guards shot the laptop simply to piss off the traveler, and for no other reason. There is no valid security reason to take a laptop and pop three bullets in it. They wanted to inconvenience and annoy.
Glad no data was lost. I hope the author gives them as much trouble as humanly possible over this stunt.
Yes, that makes sense. We think you are a terrorist. We think you have information about terrorists on your computer. We might even think that you are planning an attack, so we will inconvenience you by destroying your computer, but leave you with all the information you need to continue with your suspicous activities. Have a nice day 🙂
If both the BBC and Aljazeera are biased media, can you give any examples of un-biased media?
Remarks stupid? how about “western democracy”? come on!!! blow up a laptop? who can be THAT imbecile? yoour little “grudge” with palestinians is not very civilized.
BTW, anti-israeli is not terrorist, you little DH, is just anti-israeli. So if I dont like you i’m an evildoer?
You israeli ppl are too full of yourselves.
A country of western democracy? Israel? Are you serious?
Pssssst… don’t the paranoid guards have x-ray and bomb sniffing devices? LOL… they put little boys on the border as guards and they act like little boys… shoot first then say sorry…
They don’t take your belongings and shoot them in the US. Granted, this could have been handled a little better by our protagonist, but there’s no excuse for destroying property because you don’t like someone’s photo. They didn’t just make her take her shoes off. They made her strip down to her underwear and shot her laptop, as well as interrogating her about her sex life.
This was some kids on a misguided power trip victimizing an innocent traveler. I was considering a trip to Jerusalem in the near future… fuck that.
I wonder what they’d do to my iPhone. I don’t speak Hebrew either.
I don’t mind taking off my shoes, and I can’t recall the last time somebody shot them or at anybody’s for that matter. I think Isreal put itself in the position it’s in, and if America’s not careful we’ll be right there along with them. I think we’re finally starting to figure that out thank heaven.
Alright Eli, I understand that your country has been at war for thousands of years and that you are very connected to the emotions of that conflict. It seems like a bit much to throw those biased comments into the end of your post “remarks about shooting children e.t.c are stupid…” we don’t freak out when people ask us to take off our shoes in the airport because EVERYBODY has to do it. Also, I find it interesting that somebody published an article about this incident and wonder whether or not it was published in defense, so as to look as though the officers or possibly their governing body might be sympathetic to this woman’s plight. I would also like to point out that outsiders like Lilly and most westerners don’t have any cue into your ‘independent’ or ‘unbiased’ media sources and that those sources are definitely biased regardless of who’s side they are on. Oh, and just a tip, next time you want your point to sound ‘unbiased’ I would refrain from calling someones remarks stupid. I am an American, and I do realize that Americans are sheltered from the perpetual war state in the Middle East but I also realize that people are only aware as they seek to be. This woman seems to be seeking at least.
I freak out when they make me take off my shoes in America (and in Europe, and every other place that has flights to America), I freak out when they ask me stupid questions or impose upon my liberty in any way. Yeah… I don’t think that’s weird. A reasonable person should. A reasonable person should also understand that Israel is not a democracy, but a theocracy – much like the Muslim lands that they’re so afraid of. Terrorism is a tool of the state, not of the people – the people resist terrorism. And now, I would say that this young woman has been sufficiently terrorized.
An aside (and off topic): I wish my tax dollars would stop supporting a church I don’t go to (and any that I might go to).
The taking off of shoes in American airports is totally ridiculous, but I don’t freak out. It doesn’t make people safer, but the conspicuous display of authority makes some people feel safer.
Israel, western democracy???? Excuse me?
Hey idiot israeli,
we Americans wouldn’t have to take off our shoes at airports if your evil ziofascist country hadn’t committed a horrific false flag attack on 9/11 against my country and then used our blood and treasure to seek your “greater israel” … israel is a racist, apartheid terrorist murder state that is not a democracy and is the scumhole of the planet causing almost all the conflict (which your mafia state seems to always profit from) in the world … idiots and ziocreeps like you don’t seem to get it that the world is closing in on your serial war crimes and even America – whom you currently control – is wriggling free and we will force peace upon you … you will be living in PALESTINE, safe and sound and prosperous and happy if only you can be a good neighbor to the people who were there FIRST and not try to endlessly dominate and control the neighborhood with your vile supremacism which is a nationalist militarist perversion of what judaism really is
israel was a mistake and it is collapsing as you look at it – hypocrisy and terror can only last so long
YOU ARE THE ONE LIVING IN A JUNGLE !
CRYING FOR THE OLOCAUST AND DOING EXACTLY THE SAME WITH PALESTINE !
You shoul have been refunded by the countries that helped and perpetrated the Olocaust not invading a country with the help of UN due geopolitical reasons and kicking the residents only coz it was the holy land !
It was like Romans would have claim back the whole Europe and almost all middle east or Afrika coz they were there before today’s nations !
Shame Israel and you country of barbarian chimps.
BBC? Are you out of your mind?
Hello!
My name is Alaa, attorney at Adalah-The legal Center for Arab Minority rights in Israel, I work, inter alia, on cases of racial profilling and I have some similar cases were happened in the airport of Bengorion with Palestinians. I would like to talk to you if that possible. Plz contact me to me email.
A
Adalah is an organization whose purpose is to delegitimize and demonize Israel under the guise of human rights activity. It is a political and biased organization and I would suggest caution dealing with them.
http://www.ngo-monitor.org/article/adalah
sorry, lily. debi estar ahi para protegerte at i a tu macbookunibody…
Look at the amazing part.
your laptop got shot at. and it survived.
if my laptop got shot at, not only would it die a sad miserable lil death, im fairly sure i would cry from the lost data.
hows israel btw? =)
Look at the amazing part?
That laptop now looks incredibly cool, practically a piece of art.
Spruce it up right and sell it to an art gallery.
Im not kidding when I say it looks reaaaaly cool
yknow apart from the consequences.
oh my gosh Lil, this sounds insane. I hope the rest of your trip goes better. Please stay in touch! love you
Hahahah oh mannn. Quite a way to be welcomed into “Guam.” That is definitely a story you will never forget. I’m so jealous you’re there. Can’t wait to hear more Lily!! Miss you!!
I’m pretty sure that if that had happened to me, I would have gotten myself arrested. As it is, I’m not even going to write what’s on my mind. hehe. Hope you have a slightly less eventful remainder of your trip! See you soooooon
They shot at your laptop?!?!?! Wow extreme measures much? Well I’m glad that your laptop is ok! And that the rest of your experiences in Israel are a lot better than that! Hey at least you have a great story to tell.
I know what happened seems completely bizarre if you don’t live in Israel, but maybe I can try and explain why this happened.. Obviously it was a misunderstanding – these sort of procedures of “blowing up” unattended suspicious objects in a controled manner were started because in the past there were incidents where inside of innocent looking bags or vehicles there were actually bombs hidden.
If you want more information about this procedure:
http://www.oref.org.il/318-en/PAKAR.aspx#paragraph_0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-Kvp3cQ8Gc&feature=related (in hebrew but you can see a video of what happens during the procedure)
By the way, I have a friend whose school bag was blown up when we were in school – and the next day he had a much better excuse than “the dog ate my homework” 🙂
Stop trying to defend this people. She was order to leave luggage unattended and then they shot it because she did!!!! What way of thinking is that? The officers were clearly acting against her for the rather her “suspicious item” that is not professional at all.
haha,i know you ilanit! i remember that story. too bad they shot your mac, but at least you get to buy a new one! look on the bright side. and to be fair, your computer was probably a terrorist, because we all know in the future, the computers will take over and make us their slaves. have you not seen the terminator? i love israel and i applaud their efforts to save the world from computer terrorism.
But, they didn’t blow it up. They shot three bullets into it. If the Israeli method of investigating suspicious laptops is to shoot three bullets into it, then Israel has much larger problems then terrorist attacks.
The procedure/threat of blowing up unattended baggage is probably familiar to anyone who has spent some time in IL. Personally I think it is fine and right, as long as baggage is unattended. In this case this obviously was not happening. In fact what was going on here was obvious harrassment, probably caused by mentioned the publications and fotos.
It is sad to hear such stories, but I hope that guy who did this got serious problems from his superiors (although I doubt it…).
Hope you had a good time during the rest of your visit …
Madness — and you’re American! Well, thank god you’re not an Arab. They’d have probably shot your scarves as well. 🙂
What does your affirmation suppose to mean? Americans are not murderers?? Americans are not terrorist? Only arabic people is terrorist?
Anyway, not much different when you go to the USA and they treat you like a piece of shit. they get your luggage upside down and all messed up and wont even say sorry.
I hope things like this happen more often to americans, so they can get a little bit (just a bit) of their own medicine.
I would just like to note that one can be Arab and American at the same time.
Wow. That’s just nuts.
As an Israeli, I’m PISSED and ASHAMED. Man, I guess I would persecute the State, wish death to the jews, shit on the Western Wall, explode myself, go BALLISTIC if it happened to me!!! It’s really insane. No words to say how sorry I feel… 😦
I totally agree.. I am just shocked and ashamed… and would be furious if I were you!
I’m not surprised now that Israel has got a bad reputation world wide. I wish I could do something about it.
wishing you the best, and I hope you enjoy the rest of your time here.
So you are saying that if your mac book got destroyed you would condone the killing of innocent civilians?
This why you vote hadash?
You can move to Cairo too.
You are disgusting.
Then you are one piece of shit israeli rinat and israel feels exactly the same towards you:) well at least i do… feel ashamed and pissed that you can call yourself jewish or israeli cause you are a disgrace:)
Anyway about this blog that apparently you felt compelled to tell the egypt newspaper all about i want you to imagine a scenario where every single muslim or arab no matter where they are from feels immense hatred for having one of the smallest countries in the middle east while most of the middle east is populated with arabs and muslim then think about how you would feel when they tried to take that small piece of land from you and attempt to kill innocent women and children or an HOURLY basis, planning and attempting to commit terrorist attacks in areas filled with people that did nothing but be jewish then talk to me about “Extreme” measures we take on our boarders….
That goes to all of you who never felt the constant fear and alarm jewish israelis feel.
You are just so right!! this is so wrong! and it’s not the first time it happens…: http://www.flickr.com/photos/moomin13/sets/72157601647354022/
כלבה שמאלנית
נכון, ונכון מאוד לגבי לילי עצמה. שתחזור למצרים המפותחת, מודרנית ודמוקרטית…
Is that how you treat everyone who disagrees with you?
Yeah, very nice to insult people and to be too coward to use to use the same language other people are using in these comments…
Right-wing moron!
Anyone on here translate hebrew?
Have the guts to write what you want to write in a language she, and everyone else on this blog, can read. You right-wing b**ch.
Israel is a country that was bequeathed a vibrant democratic tradition by its founders. Unfortunately it’s now populated by too many of the likes of “Israeli dude”, who don’t deserve the country they got handed to them.
And as for you, “proud Israeli-American”, you’re fortunate that not so many people in America would tell you to “go back to Israel” if you had the temerity to mention that you were mistreated by government officials. Or did you mean “American-Israeli”?
Quite a persuasive argument you have there supported by facts and reasoning.
the translation is something about a “leftist bitch”, a very constructive remark. And it was very courageous to write it in Hebrew…
Brooksfoe man calm down give some respect to pples language, plz respect others rights as I do to you notice, no offensive language just my opinion … Opinion = ok offesive language = not ok. you can’t just go off at because he wrote it in anouther language there might have been a perfectly resonable explanation… Sounding like a racist pro intergration/ assimilation doesn’t make your arguement sound better, plz it’s called BREATHE the “as an israeli” she probably can understand it which is rather against your hypothesis their cowards for writing something she and u can’t understand soz that’s just u 🙂 besides if your sooo curious copy past into google translator or hundred other translators… Isreali American ignore comments on u leaving but hopefully you cnt understand them… Brooksfoe plz try show that you are everything over half of these comments have been trying to prove he may have just written isreali first as symbolism that he was first that then ammerican what you were saying would incite riots fights and terrorism by making said person feel like he does not belong, a important cause of riots over the years Sorry if anything I write here annoys or offends you feel free to be as offensive as possible if it makes you feel better but remember this is the Internet it’s rather sad if you have to
ps love the comment rinat
pps I dnt u understand what they wrote coz I’m lazy but notice I didn’t jump to conclusions
צואה באגף ימין אכלן
לגמרה…כלבה! I spit on you, Rinat.
rinat you should be ashamed of your response. yes it was a bad thing that happened, but to say something like “wish death to the jews, shit on the Western Wall” makes the gunshot laptop event seem like a understated affair. what you just said is even more violent and disrespectful.
Translation of the two comments in Hebrew:
כלבה שמאלנית
Leftist bitch
נכון, ונכון מאוד לגבי לילי עצמה. שתחזור למצרים המפותחת, מודרנית ודמוקרטית…
True, very true regarding Lily herself. Return to Egypt developed, modern, democratic …
Ha! Sip, have you ever been to Israel or Egypt, and do you know anything?!! HAAAA, you are an ignorant bastard!
Welcome to the Fourth Reich….take care man! remember 90% of Israeli Jews thought that killing over 300 children in Gaza was not enough!! It’s an insane country with sick bloodthirsty people.
You have my respect and admiration for all that you do. Just be careful!
Yeah, we are a bunch of blood-thirsty demons. After we butchered them we ceremoniously drank their blood and ate their brains. You know, to gain their powers.
Sorry mate, you were mislead by the press. It was the Hamas – the Palestinian chosen government – holding them at gun-point as living shields, sometimes shooting them to make a point. Not us.
Don’t let the facts confuse you.
chosen = elected. My bad.
Relax Andrew – “insane country with sick bloodthirsty people”? the “90%” fiugure?
what kool aid you been drinking and what glue you been sniffing?
where you getting your facts?
Nothing else but an idiotic, ignorant comment from a truly confused and misguided person who knows nothing about Israel, the conflict or the hope. Teach your children well hippy
antisemic! shame on you and on this hate reaction!
4th reich?!
what a twisted mind. you are a sick person! talking about bloodthirsty?! calling the victems 4th reich!? disgusting!
It’s so easy to sit in the comfort of your home and criticize a situation you do not understand.
I’m not proud of this stupid action, but bare in mind that we are living in a crazy situation. you never had to see some of your friends get blown away while waiting in line to a club. or a bus explodes with one of your classmates.
the majority in Israel believe in peace but we are not sure there is a partner on the other end.
It’s easy being moral when you don’t face this issues. what were you doing when you were 18? I was drafted and had to serve my country. I did not shoot anyone but still you call me bloodthirsty, becasue that’s what the media want to show you.
Bare in mind that there are 2 sides to every story and you always see just one.
I wish us all good and happy holidays (to all religions).
BTW- I’m sure you think we keep all arabs in camps, but you’ ll be surprised to see that we have arab neighbors all over the country. come and visit and see for yourself.
“90% of Israeli Jews thought that killing 300 children in Gaza is not enough”
I’m cursious to know the source of this information, but as the both of us know such inflammatory disinformation needs no source, just idiots like you to disperse them.
Oh and where did that statistic come from? The fact that unfortunately innocent civilians died in operation Cast Lead is solely due to Hamas using their families and supporters as humans shields, to generate sympathy, and it clearly worked. Israel used tactics never seen before in modern warfare, dropping leaflets and making telephone calls to warn the terrorists that an attack was imminent and evacuation was necessary, but instead Hamas just gathered more people on those sites so that the death tolls would be higher.
and if you think all Israelis are sick and blood thirsty, go have a look at the United states.
Anyway, the Israelis at least believe that Palestinians have a right to live, the Hamas charter calls for the destruction of Israel and all Israelis
Remember, over 97% of Gaza Arabs thought that firing of 100 missiles every day for 7 years into another nearby country, hitting homes, schools, kindergartens, hospitals, would be ignored.
“Welcome to the Fourth Reich….take care man! remember 90% of Israeli Jews thought that killing over 300 children in Gaza was not enough!! It’s an insane country with sick bloodthirsty people.
You have my respect and admiration for all that you do. Just be careful!”
WOW blood thirsty people ??
you forgot we don’t kill children for fun, we use their blood to make mazza bread. We do this immediately after we poison some wells and spread few deseases.
I assume you based your “intelligent” response on a survey checking how we look at the events in Gazza last year. You also asked yourself how it is to live 7 years with 30 seconds alert to hide from missile attack AFTER we have withdraw from Gazza. And NO nothing I repeat NOTHING justify killing one child and I’m sure you are willing to use the same attitude to HAMAS terrorists that killed children at their sleep from point blank not by mistake with a tank from 2miles away.
Am I proud of the acts of the security people – no.
This is a stupid act done by ignorant peopel , there are million ways to make sure there are no security threats in the computer other then shooting it.
Do I think we need to monitor our borders – yes there are still enough elements that would like to harm us.
I’m sure you object every single time you see a US homeland officer go through all my stuff with gloves and electronic devices and then escort me to a physical check at each and every domestic airport just because I have a Israeli passport (would you fresh my memory – how many US citizen been hurt by Israeli terrorists ?).
Again, I can’t apologize enough that your first impression of Israel was a bullet through your macbook. I just hope the rest of your stay will show you that Israel and Israeli’s are totally different.
Ilan
Oh, in these words, right? Check first what American Army does in Afghanistan, bombing hundreds of people from the air at a wedding. The IDF is the most humane army in the world. The Arab people in Israel have all the rights, which they couldn’t have in any of the 22 Arab countries.
You probably forgot also about 7 years of rockets on Israeli cities which were deliberately targeted (War Crimes) on civilians by Hamas.
Check also here: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=hamas+using+human+shields&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B3GGGL_enIL288IL290&ie=UTF-8&aq=0&oq=hamas+using
for the reason why children sometimes die in the war here. Or here: http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/MFAArchive/2000_2009/2001/6/Tel-Aviv%20suicide%20bombing%20at%20the%20Dolphin%20disco%20-%201-
“An insane country with sick bloodthirsty people”…..
Gee, Andrew, I thought for a moment you were talking about Gaza….
Anyway, it is sad this is the image you have of Israel. I would go on and rant and rave at you, but your poor misguided miserable and uneducated comment makes me, well, pity you.
Where did you get that ridiculous statistic? There is no such survey. If you post such lies, no one will or should take anything you say seriously.
LOL. Can you show some sources?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2072851.stm
The main reason for 300 dead children in Gaza is that Hammas use civilians as a human shield…
What about the thousand of kids from the area around Gaza strip the suffered for 8 year from missiles falling on them every day! I want to see you trying to live a normal life when you need to run to the shelter a few times a day.
I’ll never justified killing of kids but you need to understand that It’s Hammas fault as much as it’s Israel’s.
“We can forgive Arabs for killing our children. We cannot forgive them for forcing us to kill their children. We will only have peace with the Arabs when they love their chidren more than they hate us.” -Golda Meir, Israel’s Prime Minister 1969-1974
Lily I’m sorry for the bad experience, Enjoy Israel…
Steve, my dear fellow human, use your BRAIN.
For 8 years, Hamas has fired small rockets into your country. These rockets, over an entire period of eight years, have never killed a total of 50 people…NEVER!!!! 8 years…less than 50 dead……so you get the idea. (And steve, dont you dare say the rockets have killed more than 50…I beg you to show me proof!!!)
So “Israel” decides hey, lets be just!!! Lets get them back….by killing over 1300 people…more than half civilians….in just 3 weeks!!!
Calculate the number of civilians in Palestine killed in the last 8 years…..and compare it to the number of Jews….and tell me…..who are the REAL terrorists??? Is the # even comparable???
Human shields? Maybe because they are normal people, not an army?
damn… i am trying my best not to reply to all these stupid jews who think its normal to just take someone’s land and cry about terrorism when the people who’s land has been taken take right into their own hands because the international community feels sorry for the jews because of the holocaust. Fck you! If i’d live in palestina, i’d be militant aswel. Doh!
Mr. YOU MUST READ THIS!!!
No one said it’s OK that 300 kids are dead…
I don’t know where you live but try to imagine 8 year of you not able to walk around freely cause in any second missile alarm can start and you’ll need to find a place to hide.
Name my one country in the world that will not respond after 8 years of missile falling on the cities. There is not such thing as “small rockets”, any rocket can kill and do damage!
The reason for the respond wasn’t because all the casualties, it was because intelligence info that point out the Hammas is getting heavier artillery that can threat the biggest cities in Israel and can make more damage.
In Hebrew we have a say that says: If some one coming to kill you, wake up earlier and kill him first.
You can blame mostly the Hammas for injury and killing of civilians cause they are shooting missiles from a civilian areas and Israel response to those areas.
You can’t say Hammas use humanitarian ways, just look how they holding in prison one Israeli soldier for 3.5 years and asking in return more then 1000 prisoners the most of them are in charge of kill a lot of Israelis.
Steve,
Do you think its more criminal to hold a soldier captured for 3,5 years than 10 000 civilians in prison without a trial? And dont tell me that they are terrorists- because you have no idea- they havent had a trial!
My god, sometimes this “we are always right” tribalism scares the shit out of me. Count me out of “we”, ok?
Do you know the American Sentence “We don’t negotiate with terrorists”?
well Hamas are Terrorists.. and they are using the Palestinians people as “HUMAN shield”..
thats why they are hiding in schools, and in neighborhoods staffed with lots of citizens. they want that the israeli army will accidentally hurt civilians! they don’t care about their people!
and a 100% of palestinians, and apparently most of the world thougt it’s ok to shoot rockets at israeli cities.
i hope lilly enjoys her stay in israel despite this moronic incident, and will galdfully help you with compencated for the computer if hebrew is the issue.
Andrew, are you for real? have you ever been to Israel? spoke with an Israeli? know ANYTHING about us?
Hatred doesn’t need much. Just people like you.
Just to let you know, I’m an Israeli and my whole family as well as everyone I know does NOT think like that. We think that one child or any person dead is one too many dead and we want this conflict to end but we also understand that the fundamentalist fanatics will perpetrating their murder, simply because they hate. We blame Hamas for inflaming and oppressing the Gazans who deserve better governance and human rights.
It’s not simply because they “hate”. You ignore all history and context in order to create a present moment where you can feel justified in the moment for the murder of civilians that are not Israelis. And you have to keep creating these present moments, totally devoid of history and context, to continue to live with yourselves and continue blaming others for your own sins.
Sad dangerous clowns, you have become.
you have no idea what you are talkin about son
dude, your nickname gave completely opposite meaning to your comment.
also, just ignore that kid, it’s just a provocation.
You mean the 7th Reich or the 10th? if every occupying state is a Reich so the 4th most be the UK the 5th is the US, oh! and off-course Russia and most of the European countries, wait a minute i lost count…
(and by the way, isn’t antisemitism is against the law?)
Antisemitism is against the law. Unfortunately, prosemitism is still legal.
Just a tiny fyi…I actually agree but to clarify, antisemitism became popularized as term specifically focused on the Jews after WWII, however both Israelis and Arabs are technically Semitic if you’re speaking from an ethnic sense. To be antisemitic then is technically a misnomer if you’re speaking only of those that are Jewish. 🙂 Fun fact.
Exactly! Antisemitism as rightfully so against the law.
But it should also, and urgently, be made against the law to treat any kind of criticism against Israeli as antisemitism. That’s just plain abuse of the whole idea.
To Jeda
Anti Semitism is a term made to exclusively describe hatred towards jews, and jews only.
The people I know who try to minimize the power of this terminology by claiming it is directed against all people with semitic decendants are usually those who are exactly that – Anti semitic (Jewphobians).
Antisemitism is against the law, and unabashed ignorance is still legal…
Antisemitism is against the law, and unabashed ignorance is still legal… 😦
Yes, anti-semitism is against the law… Palistinians are semites too… think about it!
wow… what a sickening post. How can you even compare? If you did your research… Andrew… you would find out that the border police is quite… you can say.. traumatized… as bombs have been smuggled in basically by any possible means. Better to destroy an innocent laptop, than risk it blowing up in a restaurant or something. Things like that did happen… and what’s worst is that sometimes the owner of the laptop does not even know.
Truth is… 90% of Israelis are sick and tired of being shot rockets at for over 8 years, and did not want the unfortunate death of so many civilians to be in vein, like it ended up being. The operation resulted in nothing because the IDF pulled out too soon… If it would have destroyed Hamas, things would have been better for those children that did survive
Don’t be ridiculous – if they were worried it would “blow up” they wouldn’t have tried to set off the explosive by shooting at it.
I’ve lived in Israel – these are out of control, unsupervised, armed teenagers on a power trip. They need a good spanking.
I think you misread.
Of course they would set of the explosive in a safe zone by shooting at it with an explosive-specialist robot. That’s the point. blow it up in a pit and prevent it from blowing up beside people.
hello?
Iv’e also lived in Israel and I can assure you that these are one of the most disciplined soldiers, even at their young age.
Just a small comment about the procedures, it’s not that one of those “out of control, unsupervised, armed teenagers” as Jan says took his Rifle and but three bullets in the laptop. Once they suspect that something is a bomb, it is handled only by a robot in a secure environment that fires rounds specifically to set any possible explosives off. It doesn’t explain why they might have thought that this laptop had explosives in it…
Unfortunately there appears to be an unspoken policy within the Israeli Immigration/border authorities of randomly destroying laptops. My supervisor was an unfortunate recipient of this behaviour. White Canadian Male 50 years of age works as an geneticist, unaligned with the conflict – laptop taken off him and trashed probably from the butt of a rifle. Luckily he worked for a major australian university and the embassy was quick to avoid bad press from the incident and replaced his laptop with a brand spanking new one. He luckily had backed up his hard drive the day before.
The individuals involved with this current incident and their supervisors should be suspended without pay and ordered to attend ethics/behaviour workshops.
you hateful, unpleasant, nasty person andrew, everything you said in your comment is factually incorrect. you are very, very thick.
This is a down right scandal. I don’t know why it is that I’m surprised: I live here, I know exactly how xenophobic and generally barbaric Israelis, especially young ones, are. But this… This is just sheer, evil and illegal vandalism. Punks. I wish I could apologize on their behalf, but I can’t.
If you’re still in Israel, I’d love the opportunity to meet up with you and interview you about this, for both my Hebrew blog and the English group blog I’m a part of. If it’s possible, please drop me a note. I’m in Jerusalem, but very mobile.
Don’t believe him, he just wont to fu.. you ( i can’t balm him you look very hot and sexy)
I would also like to bite your apple 🙂 .
“interview you for my blog” yada yada yada …..
Nimord – לך תזדיין בוגד כלב
Go shoot yourself, dude! You wouldn’t be welcome in any nation, country or whatever other societal entity. You’re a fucking Nazi, as paradoxical as this may sound.
You’re one messed up sick puppy or at least google translate thinks so.
Same to you, Israeli dude, nice to see the promising faces of our future!
Hey, we have all figured out by now that you know Hebrew curse words. Now you can crawl back in your little hole.
טיפש הרוצח מרוכז עצמי ילד
I guess you know some barbaric Israelis (maybe even it takes one to know one…).
I have been through the Israeli security checks many times, and so have many friends of mine (some of them non-Israeli and non-Jewish). Never have I – or them – suffered an experience like that, which probably suggests that there have been something suspicious about this laptop (perhaps residual of suspicious material).
Now what do you suggest dear sir? That in the name of trying to appear nice to the world, Israeli security authorities should be less alert of security risks? Should I remind you of constant terrorist threats?
You are either innocently naive or intentionally trying to defame Israel.
Either case, you are just wrong.
Suspicious . . . . right.
What sort of suspicion would a laptop induce that someone would shoot it?
Sensitive information valuable to Israeli Intelligence? I am willing to bet they would want to inspect the laptop, not destroy it.
Perhaps the inside of the laptop had plastic explosive inside of it, waiting to go off? Yeah, I would hope the Israeli army is not so hopelessly incompetent that they would go shooting at suspected bombs.
No, really, there is no valid excuse as to why the guards would shoot the laptop, other than to cause problems.
I have noticed people defending the paranoid outlook of Israel “enemies all around us, etcetera” Let us not forget that the Israeli people are just as much to blame for the continuation of the conflict as the Arabs surrounding them.
Didn’t you kill off you own Prime Minister for trying to make peace? Don’t your settlers insist on pushing farther into Arab territory, guaranteeing that peace will never happen?
I am neither arab nor jew, and so I say to Hell with both of you. I guess the truth is neither the Jews nor the Arabs love their children enough to seriously pursue peace.
Think I am wrong? Then make peace, I dare you.
HM,
No civilized society can live in such a constant state of paranoia. However, just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean someone isn’t out to get you, either.
Israel *may* be a quasi-democratic country; but the so far unsurmountable problem it faces with the other inhabitants of the region is that it *did not come into being* in a democratic manner. The existing inhabitants of the region at the time of the formation of the state of Israel had no say in it’s appearance within their borders.
Had Israel been formed by a consensus of the folks actually inhabiting the area it now comprises; things would have been *much* different.
Also, had Israel embraced rather than alienated the non-Jewish inhabitants of the area during it’s formation, rather than (in effect) displacing them or making them into some sort of “second class citizens” in fact if not in law; you probably would not have this problem.
People who feel they or their ancestors were cheated, were pushed out of their homes, subjected to social ostracism, etc, are not going to be ‘good neighbors’; at least not until *they feel* they have been suitably compensated, on their own terms.
I understand the Jewish people feel some sentimentality towards the area of Palestine. However, one must remember the *original* people who became the Jews were not it’s original inhabitants. The people who *became* the “Jewish people” came out of Ur (ie Iraq); according to Old Testament texts. Even though ever since there has been a presence of the Jews or their ancestors in Palestine, it wasn’t until after the time of Moses that the actual land became “theirs”. And, if one believes the Old Testament; that came about via a “genocide” that would have done the Nazi’s; Soviets; Chinese; Cambodians; Rwandans; or any other folks who have gone down that route proud. Though, of course, that was ok… …God allegedly *said so*.
In any case, the Hebrew people lost control of Palestine almost 2000 years ago, so any historical claim to that particular piece of real estate *today* is rather thin. That’s why the rest of the area sees the state of Israel as an interloper; consisting of land “stolen” from it’s “rightful owners”.
What probably *should* have happened is that the UN, at the end of WWII, should have gone and *solicited* the member nations to voluntarily donate an area for a Hebrew homeland; so the resulting new country could have been created by consensus. That was not done; and, had it been, I suspect the *location* of that country wouldn’t be located anywhere near where the state of Israel is today.
However, what’s done is done. And now we (ie the world, not just the Israeli’s) have to deal with the result.
The crux of your problem is that a good sized percentage of your population is arrogant and very vocal. They feel superior to those around them. I’m not going to go into whether or not such feelings are justified, or even justifiable, but they exist. There is no point in pretending they don’t; as the entire history of the Jewish people is rife with examples.
But the secret to peace isn’t really a secret. Prosperity brings peace; but only if it’s on *both sides*. You can look at many, many wars in history; and generally it’s obvious that *one side* is usually “better off” than the other; and it’s usually the side that *isn’t* prosperous that ends up creating or continuing the conflict.
Why? It’s simple. If you’ve got a lot to lose, you usually don’t want to risk it. And if you feel you have *nothing* to lose, then you might as well go ahead and see what happens.
That’s exactly the positions Israel and the Arab Palestinians are in. The Israeli’s have too much to lose, the Palestinians, nothing. *That’s* what you need to change. Once the Palestinians have enough to worry about the possibility of losing valuable things, *they* will curb the extremists themselves; rather than risk them inciting something that might cause them loss.
You need to be constructive rather than destructive.
אתה חתיכת חרא מהלך, אנחנו ברבריים?? אנחנו שונאי זרים?? תגיד מה עובר עליך, באיזה פאקינג בועה אתה חי?
As with all thos comments it si just a ranting of expletives.
Oren, if you want to insult someone, why not do it in a way they will understand it ? And more fundamentally, when was an insult an argument ?
Hey oren, did you know that in some of the more Nordic languages, your name means ‘unclean’? Maybe you need to spell it backwards…
But I thank you for sufficiently hiding the dirty contents of your dump here.
You have no idea what happened. They thought she was suspicious so they made sure there were no bombs in her laptop, but left the hard drive in tact. I know, everybody in the airport there is always nice.
I guess scanning the laptop for explosives and whatever else can be done does not enter the minds of Israeli border guards? Why blow it up when there are multiple other ways of finding out if the machine was a bomb?
If I was more of the paranoid type, I would think that this girl had some friends the border guards did not like her having, so they decided on a bit of harassment…
Man, that is SO lame. If the Arabs say all the non-muslims are attacking us and we are doing Jihad to protect ourselves. What does Israel say… In my opinion pretty much the same. All the non-Jews (yes NON- Jews) are against the very existence of Israel So lets just blow laptops and stuff, and fire on civilian buildings. Israel is NO better than a terrorist state.
You’re giving them far, FAR too much credit for knowing where the HD is located in that unit. I’m an Apple tech and I wouldn’t have known for sure where & where not to put a bullet to avoid the HD. These guys were just being dicks–don’t try to rationalize, excuse, or otherwise mitigate their actions.
Ah, but how many times have they taken you for a “few” questions?
i usually get the glorious number six treatment, which means that i get strip searched every time i enter or leave the country. When they insult me saying: “how is a white arab?” it’s usually not the best impression on their “niceness”.
Xander
(for people who don’t know Ben Gurion airport, the security checks you get correspond to numbers given by just examining your passport, 1 being virtually no checks, 6 being strip searched)
Yeah sure,
every military knows where the hard disk in a laptop is. And they can aim for it ro miss from a distance. I suppose they were shooting from a distance, because they were trying to set of the explosives in the laptop.
Couldn’t agree more with the other Jan..
Bear Jew, really?
Are the Israelis so stupid as to shoot at suspected bombs?
When they do in fact own sophisticated bomb detection equipment?
And bomb sniffing dogs?
פלצן וחרמן…
please check google translation before posting your hebrew comments please!
Alsalamu Aleikum. Israel is a colonial state which was built on the land of Palestine in 1948 , it was stolen and renamed to israel and majority of its people were kicked out and replaced with zionist immigrants from all over the world who shared no ethnic bound together. Therefor i find it insulting that a Muslim refers to this country as Israel. We should call it what it is: Occupied Palestine.
shut up fanatic!! Israel historically was in that land! Palestine was the name given by the Romans when they tried to destroy them but they could not and now they are were God wants them to be.
Pretty sure I have scriptures dating tens of thousands of years back that would argue that statement. That was Israel’s land long before your prophet came in and started murdering his own family and tribe. While Israel may be over-zealous and aggressive, they have adapted to it after hundreds of years of your barbaric acts. Neither side is right, but at least their religion doesn’t encourage pointless violence against all who dare to disagree.
really? I bet you know who gave it the name Palestine… it was the Greeks at the 5th century BCE, Herodotus. and he refereed that land as a ‘district of Syria’. Arabs took over Greater Syria in the 7th century and used the ancient Byzantine administration name. there is no connection with the origin of the name to Arabs. the origin came from the ancient PLISHTIM which lived in this region. there were never “Palestinian people” – that is an invention took place at 1948. those Arabs were belong to Jordan(west bank and eastern Jerusalem), Egypt (Gaza), Syria (Golan heights). this region was never owned by any one, but when the British colonialism ended they decided to divide it – gave the Jews a country that was historically belong to them, and return other lands to Arab countries: Gaza strip to Egypt, west bank to Jordan, Golan heights to Syria. there were never any possibility that a second country will be established for Arabs (or as they now call them selves “Palestinian”).
like i said before – thats a new invention.
If you had half a brain you would have realized the the blog writer is jewish
Oh please, when we ask our supporters to follow some ridiculous purity test. Her heart is what matters, not her choice of name.
“Stolen” from whom?
From wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Palestine#Travelers.27_impressions_of_19th_century_Palestine
Travelers’ impressions of 19th century Palestine
Alphonse de Lamartine visited Palestine in 1835, “Outside the gates of Jerusalem we saw indeed no living object, heard no living sound, we found the same void, the same silence … as we should have expected before the entombed gates of Pompeii or Herculaneam a complete eternal silence reigns in the town, on the highways, in the country … the tomb of a whole people.[32]
The satirist Mark Twain wrote a humorous account of his visit to Palestine in 1867, and wrote in chapters 46,49,52 and 56 of Innocents Abroad: “Palestine sits in sackcloth and ashes. Over it broods the spell of a curse that has withered its fields and fettered its energies. Palestine is desolate and unlovely — Palestine is no more of this workday world. It is sacred to poetry and tradition, it is dreamland.”(Chapter 56)[33] “There was hardly a tree or a shrub anywhere. Even the olive and the cactus, those fast friends of a worthless soil, had almost deserted the country”. (Chapter 52)[34] “A desolation is here that not even imagination can grace with the pomp of life and action. We reached Tabor safely. We never saw a human being on the whole route”. (Chapter 49)[35] “There is not a solitary village throughout its whole extent – not for thirty miles in either direction. …One may ride ten miles (16 km) hereabouts and not see ten human beings.” …these unpeopled deserts, these rusty mounds of barrenness…”(Chapter 46)[36]
Ans so on..
Really? Considering there was never a palestinian state. Never a palestinian currency. No real mentions of arab Palestine in history before 1969.
And before 1969 Arabs in Palestine were called Arabs, and Jews were called Palestinian.
In fact El Al was called Palestine Airways before being renamed.
So when you refer to Occupied Palestine you mean the land that Arabs are living on in what is biblical Israel? Jordan too?
About that ethnic bound, there have been DNA studies that show there are many genes that we share.
Stolen? You mean that the Arab league attempted “to line the streets with the skulls of jews” and they failed? By the way thats what Arab radio stations were playing before the attack.
I am sick of people trying to change history. Read a book before you comment or just blindly listen to what your people tell you.
Blah blah blah, another one sided half baked comment…
Rhetoric begets rhetoric. You have no point, only regurgitated information.
Try to form a single, unique thought in your brain sometime.
With all due respect, the modern history begins at the turn of the last century, not during WWII…Just after WWI, the region of Palestine was already being overpopulated with the major influx of immigration, let alone the millions that came over during WWII and after. As others have stated, it’s not so easy to classify historical misrepresentation with modern conflict and Zionism.
Aleikum Salam ya Muslim.
“……was built on the land of Palestine in 1948”
To bad you skipped class that day at school. Or did you? Please remind me, when was “Palestine” a state before 1948? Ah yes, you are right – it did not exist. It was created as a result of the UN separation plan and the creation of Israel.
Oh, but what before that you say? Well let’s see:
– Southern Syria
– Land occupied by Turks
– Land occupied by Romans
– Land occupied by Bazantine
Get the picture?
There *is* no “Palestine”. There *was* no “Palestine”.
We, the Jews, the rightful owners of this land, have historical proof going back 3,000 years that this is our homeland and we were there before you, long before you.
You know? In 1948, the arab nations, urged the “Palestinians” to leave the country so that they could “wipe out” the Jews and then you all could come and return to the spoils.
Guess what? That created the refugee problem. Oh by the way, the ones that did not run? Did not leave? They are citizens of Israel today and enjoy a quality of life that “Palestinians” could only dream about.
So my friend, do your homework and maybe stop going to the mosque long enough for the Imam’s hate to stop ringing in your ears so you can think clearly.
PS – All this, from a left wing Israeli that would like to see the two countries living side by side….
Angry Joe.
You say:-
“When was “Palestine” a state before 1948?”
There was no state called Palestine, Palestine was land that has been part of many empires or has when it was a state tributary to empires. The empires include Egypt, Babalon, the Hittite empire, Rome and Turkey. This list is not complete. But whatever state held the sovereignty, that state had laws and under those laws people owned property in Palestine, and had the right not to be dispossessed of that property. That the people who lived in Palestine did not themselves had full ownership of the sovereignty of the states under which they lived, does not mean that they did not have property rights under the laws of those states.
Under the Ottoman empire the population of Palestine was several hundred thousand with about 30 thousand of them Jews. More Jews immigrated in the nineteenth century but I do not know whether the Turks allowed this to be unlimited. After the first world war, the league of nations gave Britain and France mandates to govern part of Turkish empire and Britain was put in control of what are now Iraq, Jordan, Israel and the occupied territories. Under its mandate Britain had a fiduciary duty to the inhabitants of this area to protect their interests, but unsurprisingly subordinated this to its own interests and the interests of those it favored.
Under the Balfour declaration, Britain stated its intent to create a state for the Jews in the mandate territory but the boundaries of the proposed state contained a much smaller area than Israel has ever in its existence been confined. However the Balfour declaration contained words about protection of the rights of non Jews already living in the area that was to become Israel. It proposed two states, one for Jews and one for Palestinians but it did not assume that non Jews in the Jewish part could be expelled and their property confiscated.
You say:-
“We, the Jews, the rightful owners of this land, have historical proof going back 3,000 years that this is our homeland and we were there before you, long before you.”.
According to the Old Testament in the Christian Bible which is a translation of your Torah, the Jews after the exodus from Egypt killed all the previous occupants, the canaanites. If 3000 year ago ownership by your ancestors justifies your return and your expulsion of all temporary inhabitants then why cannot descendants of the canaanites do the same to you? They were there before you just as according to your Israeli national justification myths you were there before the Palestinians.
One of the nice things about Judaism today is that it does not try to convert people. Unfortunately the same cannot be said about Islam and Christianity. However back in the times of the Roman empire Jews had migrated from Palestine out into the empire and Judaism there was a proselytising religion which recruited among gentiles. Most of the early development of Christianity occurred not in Palestine but elsewhere in the empire among the congregations of such diaspora synagogues. The Jews in these congregations would have had some genes that could be traced back to Palestine but most of their ancestry would have been gentile. Also their were some nations where whole populations converted to Judaism. European Jewry’s descent from 3000 year ago Palestine is cultural rather than genetic. The Romans may have expelled some Jews from Palestine because they found the rebellious tendencies that came with their attachment to the land to be a problem, but they would not have expelled all of them and the population left would have expanded to refill the land. When Rome adopted Christianity as the state religion many Palestinian Jews would have converted. In the 6th century Islam arose ans spread across the Middle East, most of Palestine’s population, Jew or Christian would have converted to Islam. Who are their descendants today? The people you call Palestinian Arabs of course.
So the Zionists who today are the majority in Israel have less descent from Palestinian Jews of the Roman Empire era than do the people they dispossessed, the Palestinians.
You say:-
“You know? In 1948, the Arab nations, urged the “Palestinians” to leave the country”.
Before Israel’s war of declaration of the sate, the majority of the population of the area inside Israel’s post war borders was Palestinian and they would not have agreed to allow further immigration that would have made them a minority. Getting rid of enough of them to make Jews the majority by a good ratio was a prerequisite to establishment of the state if the state were to be both “democratic” and Jewish. Not surprisingly the 1948 war was accompanied by massacres and historians now admit that their were explicit plans to expel Palestinians at the time of declaration of the state. When carrying out an ethnic cleansing you do not need to kill that many, only enough to encourage the others to start moving. Arab radio stations told the Palestinians to flee, and I have no doubt that one of the reasons is that Jewish death squads had notified them of their intentions. In any case it seems to me that fleeing an area that is about to become a war zone seems a pretty sensible thing to do.
You say:-
“Oh by the way, the ones that did not run? Did not leave? They are citizens of Israel today and enjoy a quality of life that “Palestinians” could only dream about. “.
Some of the people who fled remained within the borders of Israel, but their property was confiscated just as it was for those who fled outside the borders. Israel refers to these as “Present absents”. The economic conditions for Palestinians living inside Israel are far behind those of Jewish Israelis. The state discriminates in favour of Jews and against Arabs in spending tax money, in allocating subsidies, in funding education in confiscating land and in employment. Some Israeli politicians including its current foreign minister, Avigdor Lieberman are canvassing the idea of expelling Israel’s Arab “citizens”.
Why then do neighboing Muslim states force Palestinians to live in refugee camps while the Israel allows Palestinians who are citizens to live with full rights and where they please?
Your arguments will only lead to further bloodshed and should be condemned.
Ameen.
Well, no. Israel existed along with Palestine long ago. When Israel was rebuilt there, Jews only got what belonged to them before – their land. Plus, Palestine isn’t even recognized as a state compared to Israel, so sorry, but you’re wrong here. And I am not a Jew or Zionist or whatever, so don’t even start on that.
About the post: it’s clear that I would freak out if they did that to my laptop. I’m having a trip soon, so I’ll better go back up all my data 🙂 But still, have fun there 😉
Dear Muslim start to learn real history and not the crap you got from your school.
When Zionists moved to Israel in 1948 they did so legally seeing as the British controlled this land. Much of the land they purchased was from absentee landowners not even living in the land of Israel but rather in places like Beirut or Damascus…the Palestinian and regional Arab leadership boycotted the UN resolution 181 calling for the partition of the land….what came next was war and ethnic cleansing on both sides…to the victor goes the spoils
“To the victor go the spoils”?!? Be careful. Under that reasoning, if Palestinians get hold of nukes and take out Israel, they’re entitled to it. Seriously–try to think before you type.
Well, actually read some actual history books (this one happened to be a Ph.D. thesis 😉 ).
Jews were immigrating illegally after WWII to the Middle East, and the curious and surprising part is that they used the same smuggle routes through Italy that Nazi SS criminals were using, so there have been documented cases where one floor in a house was occupied by smuggled Jews, and one was occupied by smuggled Nazis at the same time.
Your remark towards the situation of the artificial nation Israel is similar stupid as was the action of these imbeciles in uniforms. I’ve been several times to Israel, spoke with israelian citicens of jewish, palestinian, arabic and other backgrounds and read articles of arabic, zionistic, british, UN and other origins from the whole last century (jewish immigartion started even before WW1, and then they were welcome idiots for paying real money for useless barren and swampy land). And as an apparent muslim you need to learn that a considerable part of the palestinians aren’t even muslims but christians. So: cut the religious crap and learn about the facts, will you? Thank you.
Palestine never existed. The PA never accepted the UN resolution. Israel is a land, given by G-d over Heaven and earth to His nation for all time. The modern state of Israel is the precursor to us reclaiming that land in order to live there and do G-d’s will as His nation of Israel.
Seriously? ‘Given by G-d’? Do you know how many people all over the world have died (in vain) over such so called religious claims?
I’m living in the middle of Europe. And let put things clear: what the Germans did during the second world war wasn’t of course acceptable. I am no extremist.
But since 60 years (already) the Israeli really think they are divine in this region. I’m supporting the Palistines – as more and more Europeans do. Maybe this example (‘destroying computer’) shows how freaky the Israeli become.
Israel can do what they want due to the protection of America. They think that all the others (except Jews and America) are the bad guys…
I hope this can be stopped quickly.
Israeli must finally live peacefully with their neighbour countries. As long as these aggressions are tolerated the situation will not change!
You are a superstitious primitive who uses the concept of a god to justify your own barbarism. Your religion is pure….pure B.S.
God is spelled GOD…..for future references….
Just to be sure, you were Gods chosen people, and thats why you lost your land for 2,000 years??? Thats why you were, and still are, persecuted across the world no matter WHERE you go???
I think the story where God sent Jesus to you, and you killed him (because you are and always have been arrogant people), and then He, God, cursed you for eternity…that story makes more sense.
You know what? I just can’t be bothered.
And what about Santa Claus, or the voodoo lady? when are you guys going to enter the 21st century and leave your superstitious mumbo jumbo where it belongs. In other words, the history books. You can not base the existence of a state on on an old book about an incompetent father figure somewhere in the sky. The whole conflict is a perfect example of how chaos theory works. Action – Reaction! No God, no winners, just losers.
In re: Ezra and your big, magic friend in the sky… Great, just great. Justifying major events of today, based on Bronze Age magical thinking.
The world will be (or at least it could be) a whole hell of a lot better when the total ridiculousness of silly superstitions of some religions are a thing of the past.
The three Abrahamic religions are the worst of the lot. These three were essentially based on some wacky ideas that some bronze age people thought up, probably with the aid of schizophrenic or other mental breaks from reality.
These three religions that all have roots in this magical thiinking are particularly egregious in their cruelty. Worse this is masked in some sort of religious “holier than thou” attitude with very negative actions toward each other and non-believers.
I will probably annoy most everyone but, in my view, these three religions are the root of much evil currently and certainly have been the root of much past eviil (Think, Inquisition or many wars based on religion, for past examples) . I do not care, but the magical thinking is all silly. At least, it would be silly if it did not lead to such serious problems that drag everyone else into their stupid world.
Consider the Catholic church aiding, abetting, and covering up the fact that many of their “caring shepherds” of the religions flock raped children. Consider the intolerant, ignorant, bible-thumping Evangelical Protestants that abuse others that are just a little different from them–even co-religionists– that my country has too many of (US); further, consider that these are the worst of the global climate science deniers and obstructionists in our Congress and elsewhere, often justified, in part, with allusion to their magical-friend-in-the-sky. Consider the Islamic extremists that try to justify blowing up people in the name of some divine, all-caring creature Lastly, consider the Jewish nutcases-extremists (like Ezra?) that think that *their* particular nutty version of the Abrahamic God somehow justifies a difference between them and God’s “UnChosen” peoples of Islamic, Christian, or non-belief, largely based just on some genetic descent from a small subset of shepherds from around the Levant, but not the descent from a second subset of genetically quite similar shepherds.
We humans, from before the Bronze Age to the present day, are just an extremely tiny blip on the vast reach of biological and geological time. If we do not quickly get over some silly superstitions that create much of current mischief in the world, we may very well become a temporary blip and soon make ourselves extinct.
and Aleikum Salam. “the land of Palestine”… tell me, habibi, what kind of country was Palestine? who were its people? who was the head of state? what kind of currency was there? anything?
You can’t. That’s because the word “Palestine” was first used when the romans decided to punish the Jews who tried to revolt against them by changing the name of Judea and Samaria to “Provincia Syria Palestina”.
is Philisteen an arabic word? is it in the Qur’an? No. the word comes from Hebrew… and, ironically, it is derived from the word Palash, meaning invaded.
a Jordanian and a Palestinian are no different… as both lived in the British Manadate of Palestine before ’48. When Britain pulled out, they divided the land (in favor of Arabs).
so before you go on insulting Muslims who are a little bit more educated than you, try to learn a little bit here and there. There are many Muslims today who are proud to be Israeli. They might not always agree with their government’s actions (who does anyway?) but they would not trade their Israeli citizenship for any other.
If you want proof, ask Lily to ask Muslims that she meets in Jerusalem or Tel-Aviv if they would rather be citizens of another country, and she will tell you ~
More propoganda myth by a racist zionist. What else do you expect from then. Like a famous propagandist once said: “If you repeat teh same lie over and over, people will believe it.”
Palestine exists my friend and you better get used to it. Palestine is as Palestinians as Apple pie is to the USA.
Not quite true actually Muslim. Palestine was established by the Roman Empire as a Roman state. Before the Roman empire Israel and Judah existed and before that just Israel and before than Canaan so that particular region has gone through several name changes and different inhabitants throughout history. Palestinians were not always there contrary to what you believe. But if you want to hold that mentality every country is an occupied something else because almost every country that exists today was taken from someone else. That is a fact of history. In any case this still sucks and the security guards were being dick heads and her laptop should be replaced.
YOU ARAB SHIT
COME TO SEE ME AND I’LL TEACH YOU HOW TO SPELL THE WORD ISRAEL
Really, Are you a language teacher? He could have just read your reply to learn how to spell it, but you’ve used all capitals. Usually not very professional for a language teacher 😉
Good luck, this is a very positve and constructive apparoach. THis for sure will help to build an independent state aside Israel (like it or not). For sure, the Arab wrold has a lot of to offer to this state as an example such as human rights, freedom of expression, justice etc. Do you feel so good hating so much an on the same time being so hypocritic? so blind?
Yeah, well, lets kick everyone out of Jordan then. Because it wasn’t an actual state for very much longer than Israel.
From Israel, with love.. bullets, blood and tears
You forgot white phosphorus.
I agree with muslim, although i find it insulting that anyone (regardless of their religion) calls it Israel.. It is Palestine and will always be Palestine. I doubt you will have a good time in Occupied Palestine because it is colonized by Zionist pigs.
anyway.. all the best to you and I’m happy that your data was saved..
good luck.
I really admire your spirit and enthusiasm about the issue and about trying to share awareness about Palestine and “Israel”. I’m a Palestinian Muslim who lived in Palestine my whole life and suffered from the occupation on a daily basis. But I would respectfully like to add that it’s stereotyping and inaccurate to call all the Jews living and occupying Palestine as Zionist Pigs as there are many who were born and raised in occupied Palestine “Israel” and were raised on the idea of this land belonging to them and have never heard the facts of the Zionist occupation of Palestine. So I think these people deserve more respect than putting them in the same category with the ones killing children and unarmed people in Gaza and the West Bank.
With all respect.
Maher
I must disagree, the land has been there far before anyone named or claimed it. In reality the current situation is the after effect of two world wars and Britain and France double dealing the Jews and Muslims in the Middle East, the situation cannot be helped, but both sides need to stop being so hateful towards their fellows. Both sides murder, lie and fight dirty, but if they worked together the middle east could potentially not only be peaceful, but a world superpower. (Besides, both religions stem form the same forefather, I know it’s not easy after all that’s happened, but until there is peace both sides will suffer, also please do not hate all of a religion for the few that have done wrong, hope you can see my stance on this, even if you do disagree.)
Anyway I’m hardly surprised by this, the security is very tight over there, however this is plain stupid, if your laptop had dangerous information destroying it is moronic. If it had been a bomb..well… yeah. Should get an external hard drive and back up your stuff with time machine! Hope your trip is/was otherwise safe and good.
Dear Maher
There isn’t a group of people called palestinians.
There are only groups and tribes of arabs immigrating into Israel some 200 years ago – to work for the turkish Ottomans building their railways from Egypt (El-Masri), from Jordan, etc. That’s about it.
The Romans were the ones who called this land Palestine.
There was never a people called Palestinians and there was never a state called Palestine, it just didn’t exist.
Isarel didnt occupy a thing – it is just a mere lie which You and other antisemites use over and over again, so other people would think of it as the truth…
Back in 1967 Israel freed the Gaza strip from an Egyptian occupation, and it did the same to Judea and Samaria – freed it from the hands of Jordan.
Egypt and Jordan respectively rulled upon the land for 19 whole years.
To sum things up – may the arab leaders start to take care of their civilians and population instead of investing so much hard currency in terror, and may peace come upon this tiny country of Israel.
Make love, no war,
David
Thank you Maher for being respectful. I think we can work with people like you to create a good life for all of us. Of course I don’t believe we “stole” this land any more than the Spanish “stole” their land from the Moors. I don’t want to see any person hurt in Gaza. I don’t want to see your freedom of movement being taken away from you either, and I think your people should have freedom to govern yoruselves without us having to police you. We need to build mutual trust and solve our problems without violence. How about soccer games instead?
Sukran Afwan for your words. Salam will be buield ith moderate people like you from both sides.
Maher,
Kudos for taking a peaceful and decent point. Most people who make any mention of this conflict have little to no understanding of the facts on the ground, which is that people from both sides of the conflict have been manipulated by the previous generation and the media (which has political and financial motives) to believe certain “truths”, which are not ACTUAL truths.
In my opinion, neither Israelis nor Palestians are right.
No man, woman, or child could possible own land, or claim it as a homeland for a specific group of people based on tribe, culture, or religion.
Land is the source of life. Life is a basic human right (as in, you do not have a right to kill me, or remove me from lifegiving resources). Therefore, the whole idea of private property (interdiction from utilization of any land for self-preservation) and the idea of national borders runs counter to any notion of basic human rights.
With that said, Israelis and Palestinians both have an inalienable right to protect themselves against credible threats.
With regards to this particular case:
Palestinians notoriosly use carriers who will no arouse suspicion in order to deliver bombs (and kill) Israelis. What better of such carriers than a European-looking Jewish girl from the United States. For their own safety, Israelis have learned they must respond with drastic measures in order to prevent such attacks.
Some Israelis, being fallible humans as they are, get angry and frustrated and resentful — just like Palestinians and anyone else faced with seemingly random violence against one’s friends and family. Many Israelis are particularly resentful and angry towards non-Israeli Jews who take a stance that is sympathetic to Palestinians. They (perhaps understandably) consider them traitors.
Any Arabic writing on this (obviously) Jewish girl’s computer (or photos of anti-semitic graffiti) could, to an Israeli who is particularly resentful and angry, seem like incontrovertible evidence of pro-Palestinian/anti-Israeli feelings. As such, especially in a group setting, such individuals are liable to act thuggish (mob mentality). To be honest, I’m shocked that these soldiers didn’t go so far as to perform a full body-cavity search on Ms. Sussman. Not that she deserved it — just that people (be they Americans, Germans, Sudanese, Columbians, Peruvians, etc) in this situation have done worse. Its human nature.
We are, as humans, a disgusting breed with a penchant for emotional pain, fear, anger (and subsequent revenge on the nearest available target).
Lily — you could easily have foreseen the controversy that might arise with your Arabic stickers. I Imagine that somewhere inside, you wanted to get a rise out of people. I know no other reason why whatever feeling/emotion you wanted to express needed to be done in a language other than English. To convince Arabs of your love for them as fellow humans? As a conversation piece?
The fact is — Israeli nationalism, Palestinian nationalism, Judaism, Islam, Christianity — they’re all the same. They are utterly meaningless labels under which directionless individuals can unite for a single cause of destruction/subjugation/”saving” of the “other”. And even if you argue that’s not what they are at their essence, that is the ultimate cumulative effect of their exploitation by individuals grasping for power: Netanyahu, Sharon, Arafat, Bush, various Popes, Nero, Saddam, Charlemagne, Henry VIII Bin-Laden, Graham, Lieberman, — the list goes on and on and on and on and on and on and on and will forever until a more civilized philosophy of non-violence and human kindness at all costs takes root.
“There isn’t a group of people called palestinians.
There are only groups and tribes of arabs immigrating into Israel some 200 years ago – to work for the turkish Ottomans building their railways from Egypt (El-Masri), from Jordan, etc. That’s about it.
The Romans were the ones who called this land Palestine.
There was never a people called Palestinians and there was never a state called Palestine, it just didn’t exist.
Isarel didnt occupy a thing – it is just a mere lie which You and other antisemites use over and over again, so other people would think of it as the truth…”
Actually my family kept extensive records and traced our immigration to the region around 1000 years ago. My grandparents grew up with Muslims, Christians, and Jews, and spoke Hebrew, English and Arabic. They used to live peacefully in unison and called themselves Palestinians because that was the region they lived in. I think it is you who is fabricating lies, then throwing out accusations of antisemite to discredit others. Or perhaps this is just what you are taught in the schools, because they don’t want to give you any reason to think badly of Israel. Don’t forget that the Arabs are also a semitic people.
Wow, honestly, I thought the story was extremely disturbing…then I read some of the comments and realized that the story was something we should expect simply as “normal security measures Israel takes to defend itself.”
As for the “Palestine” or Israel” debate..
Israeli Zionists, please use something God ACTUALLY DID GIVE YOU- no not your so called “Israel,” but your BRAINS!!!!!
After the Romans kicked your annoying people out of THEIR LAND since you Jews couldn’t allow peace in the land, the people who remained their BECAME KNOWN AS PALESTINIANS. When you say that there is no such thing as Palestine, you are denying a 2,000 year old title. Do you honestly have brains??? Many of those PALESTINIANS, not all, became Muslims later on..and many became Christian….and I’m sure some even became Jews. They were the PALESTINIANS. So now that we have established the fact that 2,000 years ago PALESTINE was established, lets move on to what actually makes a difference.
HOW CAN A HUMAN BEING (and yes, that implies every Zionist, or Zionist sympathizer is not a Human…you guys are something else) justify coming to a land that 2,000 years ago was “yours” (lol, haha, do you guys even know anyones name that lived there at the time???), and then saying “HEY EVERYONE WHO HAS LIVED HERE FOR THE LAST 2,000 YEARS!!! PACK UP YOUR BAGS AND MOVE OUT, WE ARE BACK!!!! And then you expect everyone that has lived their for centuries to say “oh sure…here, take my home, my farm, my property…its all yours!”
So in conclusion, Zionists are theives (since in modern day definitions stealing is defined as taking something that does not belong to you).
And honestly, if you guys really were Gods chosen people, would he cause you to lose your land for 2,000 years, get killed by Hitler, and then shoot innocent peoples laptops??? Honestly, lets start thinking 🙂
Maher,
People who occupy our land and kill our children and blow up our houses should not be respected. They should be exposed and treated with the contempt they deserve. Zionists are colonizers who have no right to claim an inch of Palestine which exclusively belong to the Palestinian Arabs. Don’t fall for their crap about Jews being in Palestine for 3000 years. It’s all lies. When the British claimed Palestine in 1918, Jews made less than %8 of the population and even then most of them were not natives but rather emigrants from Eastern Europe who fled the so many pogroms against Jew in Eastern Europe. There is no Jewish connection with the land of Palestine no matter how they try to spin their religion. In the 13 century, a rabbai from North Africa visited Jerusalem and he could only find 12 Jews living in the city working as water carriers. People need to learn the facts instead of the Zionist spin which is nothing but lies perpetrated by a huge propaganda machine that has been in operation for over a 100 years. What they do is to brain wash people; Jews and non Jews into believing that Palestine is their promised land. There is no such crap. The 2 pillars of Zionism which are a people without a land seeking a land without people and the promised land are both phony and were invented to serve Zionism objective which is to bring Jews from their native countries into Palestine at the expense of its native Palestinian Arabs. Zionism is a racist ideology that does not care about even Jews. It’s time for people to wake up and put an end to this lying machine.
David:
Just wondering, how on Earth could someone who does not hate Arabs be an anti-Semite? By definition, Arabs are Semites.
To David Dutch and all the people supporting his claim;
I didn’t write what I wrote to argue the existence of a people called Palestinians or a place called Palestine or to take charge against the usage of the word “Israel” to call this land because even fighting this is like your try to deny the existence of Palestine and Palestinians.
David Dutch, you argue that there were never a people called Palestinians and others argue that even the name of Palestine came from a Hebrew word. Well, can you tell me where were Israelis and your holy promised land of “Israel” before 1948. Again I would like to add that I’m not a historian or not even closely capable of defending the name of Palestine the way it should be defended because I don’t know all the facts and dates and truths but I like to think that I have enough to respond to your comment for now.
Prior to 1948, the dream of a country for Jews was only a dream in the minds of the Zionist parties leaded by Theodore Hertzel who first came up with the idea of creating a country for Jews and suggested many places for this country but finally chose Palestine because it would be easier to convince the world of the Jews right to this land. Before 1948, Muslims, Christians and Jews used to live on the land of Palestine in peace and under the name of Palestinians. Then Belfore Promise to the Zionist organizations to give them the land of Palestine after withdrawing from it took place in 1948 which manifested the birth of the Jewish state of “Israel” and Al-Nakbeh (The disaster) for the Palestinian people because of the killing of hundreds and the Diaspora of hundreds of thousands either as an internal or an external immigration to nearby countries.
We’ll I think I’m done with the history lesson for now and back to your claims. I can assure you my family line and the tree of my family goes way back in history in this land than yours does. I’m even almost sure that if you go back to your grandfather and ask him where he came from he would definitely name some East European country or some other place but definitely not Palestine. So if you just wanted to make the claim of the absence of a people called Palestinians couldn’t you at least make one argument in favor of the existence of people called Israelis or a place called Israel prior to 1948?? And before saying that there is no people called Palestinians, could you really deny the 4.5-5 millions still living in Palestine and call themselves Palestinians or the nearly 6 million refugees living in refugee camps all over the Middle East without and identity or a hope for a decent life because your ancestors gave them the choice of either being thrown out of this country or being killed in it. Could you really deny the existence of all these people or all you wanted to do is to make an uneducated statement about the existence of a whole group of people “And by this I’m not calling you uneducated but just calling your statement uneducated because it not even close to being an argument you could support”.
Dear David, this is just a glimpse of the truth which the whole world is asking us just to forget and let go of and admit the existence of a place called Israel or else the whole world will deny our existence. I can’t deny that there’s a place where 5-6 million Jews live and the entire world call Israel, I can never deny it and I would be a fool for trying to. It is the legitimacy of the existence of such place which I can argue and with an open minded bias person I could definitely convince.
I just wish you are brave enough to come up with a comeback to this response if you read it because I would really love to respond to any reposes against what I just wrote.
P.S God doesn’t favor one human with faith over another because of his religion; it’s people’s deeds what God is concerned about. So I humbly think that it is offensive to God when you say that Jews are God’s chosen people.
With all respect and admiration to anyone who contributes to making this a productive conversation not a pointless argument. And I would like to say as a last word that this isn’t only a matter that should concern Palestinians and “Israelis”, it’s a matter that should concern everybody for, as MLK said “Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.”
Maher
Now, who’s being narrow-minded here?
Some Israelis were just born on this land, live their lives and hope for better. Many even hate the state, second your opinions, want a better future for everyone…
Your statement sounds but ignorant.
K
there is no such thing palestine!! it’s fiction!!
most of the arab that lived in israel are orignaly from jorden, and the arabs in gaza are form egypt… israel is the land of the jews!
you are asshall and mother fucker , your mother is a pig and hore, and becuse you suporting the muslims , soon you will get fuck by them
Get the facts stright UN resolution divided “Palestine” (for the Jewish and Arabs) which was occupied by the british the ARABS nations around didn’t like that and open a massive war from all fronts against the Jewish and lost… when you loose you pay. Next time don’t start what you can’t end.
Please come closer – Ahhhh Chooooooo
This is just the sort of language and sentiments that have brought over 60 years of pain and violence to the region. Have you learned nothing from history?
well, I’m sorry that the UN resolution from 1948 is insulting you. well… no really.
BTW, calling 7 million people whom you don’t know “pigs” says more about what you are, then what they are.
It will always has been Israel much before Mohammed was born, Jerusalem was never even mentioned in the Quaran, in fact when Jordan ruled Jerusalem until 1967, they didn’t even thought about making Jerusalem their capital since as a city it wasn’t important enough…
Zionism was all about returning to home land, the jews didn’t started the war on 1948, it was the arabs.. it was the arab Mufti of Jerusalem and the arab leaders who promised the arab people on the eve of the independance declaration that they will wipe off the jews from Israel, but luckly enough it didn’t happened and many arabs run away to what otday are the fugitive camps.. guess what happened to the ones who didn’t run away?? did the “zionist pigs” sluttered them? well no, they are civilians of the state of Israel, get all the right, go to universities and if you will bother to ask them, they don’t really want Hamas or anyone else to take over Israel, they leave in the highest economic level from all the region (except the golf countries), enjoy total freedom without any islamic shaaria rules..
i totally disagree with what u just said, “occupied palestine”?? wat is that??
its israel given over by the united nation of the world and if muslims dont agree with that, why agree with anything in UN? like ahmadenejads speeches?
it is eretz yisrael
but….glad u got your hard drive : )
Lol, you seriously should go to school.
THE UNITED NATIONS DECLARES ALL OF THE OCCUPIED TERRITORIES (WEST BACK, GAZA, ETC….) TO BE A VIOLATION OF INTERNATIONAL LAW!!!! But “Israel,” the terrorist under the cloak of democracy doesn’t care now, does it?
I really hope you are a child younger than 2 years old, because you sound like one.
Wanna start learning???
Read this from the UN WEBSITE!!!
http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=33270&Cr=palestin&Cr1=
This is why I hate “Jewish Zionists” as your title claims….ignorant.
Who’s united nation to give some people’s country to others?!!!
The UN Genereal Assembly vote was not approved by the Security Counsel. It make for good rhetoric though. Only military force decided if Israel deserved to be a country or not. Also it is through military force that Israel continues to be a country. But isn’t that the way of the world?
what makes you better not racist if you put al zionists in one cgae as pigs? Not all of us agree with the occupation of palestine but Israel state is a 62 years fact, and no good will come from pursuing its destruction instead of construing Palestine aside Israel. Despite cruel occupation on behalf of Israel, Arabs in general and Palestinians especially can learn a lot from Israelies, agriculture, Medicine etc. Be little more positive, hate has no good outcome.
Its Israel. Should we break up Iraq and recreate the countries of Sumeria and Assyria?
Perhaps we could just get rid of most of Europe and the Middle East, and call it the Roman Empire. They ruled the area for quite a long time.
Isreal has been Israel for sixty years or so, and kicked the crap out of Syria to prove it. Perhaps its time you accepted they aren’t going anywhere and try to make the best of it.
But I forget, you can’t do that. You are so blindly stuck in the past that you will never let it rest.
I wonder how many more Palestinian children will have to die or have their legs blown off or their arms mangled before you see sense. I wonder how many Israeli children will be splattered against the ground or watch their life’s blood drain away before the both of you decide to stop it.
These guys shoot every day at unarmed people, even children. Why so much surprise about a simple laptop?
Good point..
Oh, I forgot how accurate the Palestinian rockets and suicide bombers are. I think they have only killed Israeli Soldiers. Isn’t that amazing? All those rockets being shot over and suicide bombers on buses…and not one single Israeli civilian has been killed.
Lying will do you no good!,
Arab terrorist shoot on each and every day at their own paople and at the innocent civilians of Israel – That’s the Truth!
and you know it! – more Muslims are killed by other Muslims by the hundreds each and every day, either in Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, you name it…
and again – telling lies will do you no good.
May the arab leaders start to take care of their civilians and population instead of investing so much hard currency in terror, and may peace come upon this tiny country of Israel.
David
What about Israelis killing palestinians? You want to tell me that killing innocent children is protecting your citizens? Don’t worry friend, in our days we have access to information. We all know what the zionists do. Killing, evictions, abuse of basic human rights, provocation… How do you want the palestinians to answer that?
“may peace come upon this tiny country of Israel” OK, so please explain how shooting six holes in a laptop and angering a friendly, visiting American will help achieve that goal.
I’m sure building walls around a civilian population is a big solution now, isn’t it??
Kind of reminds me of something similar in our history….oh yeah!!! The Nazis!!!!! Didn’t they do that to the Jews, not even 70 years ago???
But I’m sure you have an excuse right??? The people behind the wall are inhumane….inferior….”dangerous”……….hey…isn’t that the same thing Hitler said about you guys??? I guess it puts you and him on the same scale!!!
Israelis DO NOT kill civilians,
there isn’t even one Israeli who wakes up in the morning and think to himself / herself ‘let’s kill an arab”. All arabs kileld by Israelis are either engaged in active terror, or that terrorists took refuge next to them. period.
The small rest percentage – are pure mistakes, and whomever make mistakes – pays for them – in a court of law.
The situation on the arab side IS this – THERE ARE ARABS WHO WAKE UP IN THE MORNING AND THEIR JOB (!) IS TO KILL ISRAELIES. WHOMEVER KILL MORE ISRAELIES – CONSIDERED A HERO. WHOMEVER KILL CIVILIANS – IS A HERO, WHOMEVER KILL OTHER ARABS – IS A HERO, WHOMEVER LIE AND SAY ISRAELIS SHOULD BE PUT TO DEATH – IS A HERO and it just goes on an on… and they DO NOT answer to their doings (talking about a twisted ARAB point of view ?)
I should remind all of you that there were years, back in the 70′ and 80’, that Arabs and Israelies could sit together and talk, eat, work and laugh. The moment the arabs increased their terror acts – is the exact moment arabs (and Israelies!) strated to die. the wall was built, and security measures in the Israeli side increased.
Even If you REALLY have access to information – you won’t be able to follow the names of the ARAB terrorists, simply because the huge amount of people (?) amongst the ARABS who practically WORK IN COMMITING TERRORIST ACTS.
SAD, but thats true.
The arabs hate Israelies more than they love their own people…
otherwise – there would be peace a long time ago.
In some known cases terrorists hide explosives inside laptops, either their own or innocent tourists exploited by them. Thats why, from time to time, Israelis are forced to blow other people’s laptops… thats the degree the ARABS took israel into. you can nevr be too careful.
Two facts for last
1. Israel has such military might it can blow up the entire gaza strip and annihilate everything in it. It always choose not to, even if it’s own soldiers are in danger.
Why? – because jew sacred lives. plain and simple.
2. For 19 years (1948-1967) “Palestinians” were living under an Egyptian and Jordanian cruel and ruthless occupation. WHY DIDN’T YOU REQUEST BACK THEN FOR YOUR OWN STATE ? they killed your people, controlled your everyday life etc. and all of a sudden, just because Israelis freed you in 1967 you suddenly remembered you want a state ?
As I was saying – STOP SPREADING LIES.
Allah-hu-akbar, and everything is done by Allah, especially the establishment and existence of the state of Israel
may peace be upon us,
David
David Dutch.
I hope a tiger does not attack you because if we apply the same restrictions to your defence against the tiger that you apply to the Palestinians in their war against Israel you will not be able too defend yourself very well.
If you are every attacked by a tiger you are not allowed to counterattack at any parts of its body apart from its teeth and claws. The teeth and claws represent the Tiger’s military forces and are OK as targets but the rest of the tiger’s body is civilian and you are not allowed to target it. Oh but when the tiger kills you its stomach and intestines will digest you and the nutrients will be distributed to all other civilian parts of its body as well as to the tiger defense forces, namely teeth and claws.
Palestinians do not consider that there exists such a thing as an innocent Israeli any more than Israelis admit the existence of an innocent Palestinian.
Wars exist between collective entities, nations or peoples and ruling civilians off limits is at lest silly, at most hypocritical. Hitler was right to bomb a civilian city, London just as the allies were right to bomb Dresden and Hiroshima, both civilian cities.
Yes it is OK for you Israelis to use F16s and helicopter gun ships to kill Palestinian civilians but you cannot then turn around and complain when a Palestinian splatters himself over the landscape to kill a few innocent Israelis. Anyway I think we are missing the main motive of Palestinian terrorists. I do not believe that they now entertain the hope of getting their lands back. They know that the land is lost, the only motive is revenge and they are willing to continue a conflict that results in 100 of them dead for one Israeli. But that one dead Israeli gives them such joy that it more than matches for the loss of a hundred of their compatriots.
your a shmuck
I’m certain that über-Zionist Professor Alan Dershowitz will be happy to buy you a new laptop!
Dershowitz shops at Leviev (1:05) – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq-carFCQbQ
Since your hard drive survived the ordeal, perhaps Apple would be interested in using your experience in an ad campaign. “Takes a licking and keeps on…”
clicking? =P
God gave Israel to the Jews thousands of years ago, so they can blow up your computer or do whatever else they want.
Why are you surprised?
England gave Israel to the jews. Not God.
I found http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel#Zionism_and_the_British_Mandate an interesting read. The UN partitioned Palestine, the Brits held out for Arab rights, and a breakaway faction of Jews named the new state Israel.
England is God.. duh..
The U.N. gave Israel to the Jews but the Arabs states and the Palestinians oppose the decision and start a war against the young Jewish state in 1948.
actually, the UN did
Oh, really? How someone can give something that is not his? Did England built Israel? Jews built Israel.
So, England is God?
Thank you!
England did not exist 5000 years ago
Actually, we Kicked out the British forces from here …
actually the UN did. England obtained.
England was God at the time.
read the old testament
moron
And most of it to Jordan!
In fact England and France messed up all the region here as part of the colonial asspirations.. I would recommed that you read a bit of history before running and using your keyboard.
There are historic evidences about the presence of the jews in all Israel including what is today part of Sirya and Egypt. By all archeologists this comes much much before any settlement of arab (or what it was before the Mohammed imposed Islam on many of the tribes in the region). In fact, the Jewise settlement was continous in the land of Israel throughout the history (go and check the history on Ottoman empire and you will learn that before the British, there were the Ottoman or what today are the Turks)… in general ignorancy is great ground for prejudgement and superstitions, after all Israel is the only democracy in this region and the most educated country in the region.. if you will look from Jerusalem towards the east, and you really try hard, you will be able to see the other democracy which is India.. think about it
It´s funny, in a lot of countries known as “Third world”, you won’t ever see anything like this. I would like to know what Hillary Clinton thinks about this? By this days she is threatens Latin Americans countries about been “flirting” to Iran.
In many of those countries they shoot or kidnap the people they don’t like
Federico, in many third world countries people wouldn’t be shooting macbook pros, they would probably have little concept what one actually was, they would be shooting actual people. And as for Hilary Clinton, she hasn’t threatened Latin American countries, she warned them about legitimizing the regime of a ruthless dictator by inviting him to state functions as Brazil did. While you’re at it you can stop using inverted commas incorrectly too.
This isn’t uncommon – there have been people who have their laptops blown up with some kind of explosive in a huge “bomb pit” they have at the border. I would love to get in touch with you about what happened and to try to do an investigative piece – get some answers – about what happened to you.
After you’ve been here awhile, you’ll realize that the question “why” is sort of stupid when it comes to this insanity. For most Israelis, they view the world as “why not, if no one will stop me”.
>For most Israelis, they view the world as “why not, if no one will stop me”.
That manner of thinking is most certainly not unique to Israelis.
They treated you with respect when they fired on your laptop, and I consider you lucky because they didn’t arrested you and toke you to secret prison in Israel to investigate you on the lines of what happened with a lot of people who visited Israel.
They could do worse than this to you,,,,,you are super LUCKY.
Yes, she’s even luckier she didn’t visit Iran and got tossed to prison for life and accused of being a spy.
But then again, we never EVER judge a Muslim country. We’re too SCARED.
lucky would be if you go to some other respectable country and instead of shotting your laptop, they receive you like they should…
It is so healthy to live full of lies, just from what you hear from the democratic, free arab communication media. Good luck with your future education
I’ve never seen elsewhere the extreme degree of amoral rationalization by which an entire people lives each day, with each breath they take, as I see in Israel.
You must have your consciences buried so deep because you don’t ever want to find them again. If you did, you couldn’t live with yourselves.
With all due respect, this is not Iran. No secret prisons here and once it’s clear you’re not a terrorist we apologize for all inconvenience caused to you at the border – and please enjoy your stay in the Holy Land! Apparently she’ll even get compensated for the laptop.
By the way, I always upload all my files on gmail, I recommend everyone to do the same (especially if you’re traveling in the Middle East with a laptop 🙂
Another point – I want to ask the various Muslims and Arabs here who call Israelis and Jews names like ‘pigs’ or ‘colonizers’ or whatever – how would you feel if someone called you that, and don’t you think you’re inviting the kind of angry response people have for you? After all the way you treat others is how they’ll treat you. If you’ll be respectful to Israeli we’ll be respectful to you, and everything can be solved with dialog. Peace 🙂
This is pretty messed up what they did, but reading through the comments here it seems this post was hijacked by people who don’t really give a shit about you, just happy to say something bad against Israel. Stay safe, from what I heard from numerous people Israel is beautiful country and is full of friendly people.
Wow yeah we can tell! Asshole!
From what you heard from numerous people?
I guess I’ll take Lily’s account instead of your “numerous” accounts from “people” as evidence of what Israel is all about…
Wu Ming: You can take my account. I’ve been to Israel. Many times. And it is indeed a beautiful country full of friendly people that include Jews, Muslims, Christians and others!
“I’m glad you laptop is OK”
“I’m so jealous”
yeesh, what is wrong with people ?
What’s wrong with people being jealous about them being able to afford travelling and having an opportunity to learn about foreign countries? And being happy for them not having lost their work or worse?
Have the replacement laptop checked for monitoring/reporting software and hardware.
Do not use it for anything you wouldn’t openly reveal to a hostile stranger until you’ve done this.
This happened to met too as I was leaving Israel through Taba. I have pictures here:
Yotam Feldman, a journalist from Haaretz wrote an article about it. you can see the English translation here:
http://moomin13.livejournal.com/79068.html
You should contact him, maybe he will write an article about you too.
Also, they will reimburse you, but only if you stay in Israel and wait to collect the money. It’s a huge pain in the ass. Anyhow, if you have any questions feel free to contact me. You have my sympathy. my email is flo0dland at yahoo dot com
-Katie Miranda.
Your hair is purple! Why are you surprised??
I didnt(couldnt) actually believe the words. But the close up shots were shocking. (reminded me of Mumbai terror attacks – cos the bullet holes there were shown constantly on the telly).
I have to say I’m shocked.
At the liberty they’ve taken with your personal belongings, and at their stupidity in shooting the laptop.
Frankly scares me off visiting Israel. Even tho, as an Indian who is been for closer ties with them (vis-a-vis Secuirty/terrorism initiatives)
If your lappie actually any bit of explosive tagged to it, or a trigger – those idiots might have triggered that off. What kind of security system is it that lets these idiot cowboys(for lack of a btr term) get away with that?? (And to top it all, they miss the hard drive? WTF were they shooting at then?? the display?)
Both the abject lack of respect for property rights, and their stupidity in doing that boggles my mind.
My sympathies. glad that your HDD was not affected.
cheers
P
PS: no about page here(kinda disappointing). Also ur link in of the comments points to a blogger-based blog.
I wonder what would have been more terrible – the marks on a piece of equipment or the holes created on a human by an IED hidden in a laptop?
Funny that an Indian scrutinizes Israeli security measures and mentions the Mumbai incident on the same breath – looks like you have answered your own question.
THIS reminded you of the Mumbai attacks where people were murdered?! What sort of person are you who equates the shooting of a laptop with the shooting of people?
Alex – israel is indeed a beautiful country with many friendly people. So was Moussolini’s Italy, and as I understand, so is China. Mynamar is attracting lots of tourists, even with the Junta and all. Just because israel is a military with a country does not mean one can’t go shopping or dancing in a disco. Lots of soldiers do just that after a hard day of work at a checkpoint charlie. Blown laptops would be the least of the worries of some hapless arabs who dare to transgress the rules by, say, trying to go to work. or, heaven forbid, bring a sick patient to a hospital. The trick in Israel is not to open a discussion about arabs or muslims. There’s a bit of a phobia about that – something they learn from infancy, so they can’t really help that.
It’s important to remember that just because it’s a militant ethnocentric theocracy does not mean that the restaurant business is bad. Besides, the people are lively enough, though to see them really animated, broaching the topic “gaza” would make them downright animated.
Carmel, my sister happens to work as a medical doctor in an Israeli hospital. A large percentage of her patients are from Gaza. For free. No, we did not shoot them or harm them in any way. They are treated much better here by us than they are in Gaza by their own government. By the way, Israel did not harm them in the first place. These are your normal need-a-medical-care people.
The reason that we have these ‘checkpoint charlie’ is that some of the Palestinians try to sneak bombs into Israel. Then these pure souls blow themselves up in the middle of, say, a bunch of 16-year old girls waiting in line to enter some night-club. I know, it happened not a 100 yards from my house.
Happened before, and will happen again. Such is the situation in Israel.
Didn’t you forget Nazi Germany, or even today’s Iran?
I would love to visit the Euphrates river in Iraq but I’m afraid I’ll have to part from my head in the process.
if only the USA had implemented this type of security on 9/11, alot of families would not be missing their loved ones today.
You draw parallels between Israel and Mussolini’s Italy and China, but one key difference is that Israel is a democratic country with a government elected in open and free elections. It takes drastic measures to ensure the safety of its own citizens in the face of terrorists who aim solely at killing innocent members of the israeli public.
To all those responding negatively comparing the incident and the Jews and Israelis to Blood-thirsty theocratic-zealot- kid killer maniacs, let me just remind you that:
A) For security guards and soldiers who have illegal aliens and terrorists slip by them daily, Ms Sussman seemed wierd and odd
B) To the lowlife who compared us to China, Myanmar and Italy during the 2nd world war I say: You are an ass, because Israel compared to Switzerland, Belgium and the UK is paradise!
C) It is only a theocracy towards Jews: Towards gentiles it is fairly free and nice
D) Those who say you cannot talk about Muslims and Arabs freely in Israel, are like those tourists who come to America and say you cannot talk about the African Americans – Its a free state, 15 percent are Arab, they are members of Knesset, and the vast majority live in peace with us White-Jewish-Fascists-Zealot- thugs that shoot Laptops
Oh and BTW – For the records, Israelis dont enjoy shooting Arab kids – They are too skinny, we miss them all the time and and we love them too much anyways…
Get you hateful antisemitic facts straight!!!!!!
Carmel,
From what you wrote i understand you’ve never been in israel, nor heard about it from unbiased source.
Let me tell you as an israeli that did serve in the military that :
a. not only there is no islamo-phobia, there is a very active debate on the rights of palestinians and there are many groups of jewish israelis dedicated to guard their human rights and well-being (bezeelem, shalom achshav, machsom watch).
b. the checkpoints you refer to (“some hapless arabs who dare to transgress the rules by, say, trying to go to work. or, heaven forbid, bring a sick patient to a hospital”) are there for a reason – they maybe cause a bit of annoyence to the palestinian that pass through but they do stop the terrorists that try to get into israel in order to kill civilians.
We are not the perfect nation but we do our best considering the circumstances, i guess this are not the sort of problems one might run into in berlin or france so i don’t expect you to understand, but next time you might want to try and see the other side of the story.
Lior
militant Ethnocentric theocracy ???!!!????
Israel is in many ways more democratic than the US, France and GB alltogether
This is from man who live in a country that engage in 2 wars at this moment !
Thanks for comparing with Musulinie’s Italy! Israel is in a bda shape , no doubt about it, but e are still far aay from Italy or China. Yes, we are not immune and it can happened, but what US does in the sake of freedom (to who) is much worse than shooting a laptop to a provocative American girl , ho cares about that?
Dear Carmel
I read your comment and it is full with plain ignorance.
1. Israel is a democacy, and a REAL one, unlike any other arab country in the world today.
2. Almost any Arab country governing system resembles the situation in Moussolini’s Italy, Mynamar, Syria ,Iran, Hizbullah’s Lebanon, and let us not foregt the nice folks of Hamas at the Gaza strip, etc. – a small group of people with big guns make the rest of the population miserable, poor and hungry.
3. The arabs forces Israel to defend itself to a degree in which it is an obligation to check even innocent tourists laptops…
4. I hope someday the arab leaders will start to take care of their civilians and population instead of investing so much hard currnency in terror, and may peace come upon this tiny country of Israel
Make love, no war,
One last thing, dear Carmel – Don’t spread lies, as the only thing true in your comment is your name… (Is it?). Try spread love instaed, it works for the rest of the world.
David
>3. The arabs forces Israel to defend itself to a degree in which it is an obligation to check even innocent tourists laptops…
Nobody forces Israel to act the way they did in this case. Stop trying to justify this atrocity.
Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic? At least their trying to move forward… unlike some I could name
This is what happened to me at the Israeli border. Glad to hear your hard drive is ok! It is strange that they didn’t want to erase your data, so why did they see your laptop as a threat? I think the purpose maybe was to intimidate you and scare you away from anything Palestine as opposed to Israeli related. Good luck with the rest of your trip!
-Laurel
http://essentialgeneva.com/Bad-Day-at-the-Israel-Jordan-Border.html
Interesting post Laurel about your bad day at the Israel Jordan border.
Jesus loves you : )
Bob.
It is so sad that your notebook got shot. It is even sadder that terrorists leave bombs in bags to blow up people. In Israel, any unattended bag is may be a bomb. Therefore Israelis take great trouble to clear the area around the bag and blow it without anyone getting hurt.
I’m so happy for you that you can live your whole life ignorant of the evils of terrorism, but sadly, Israelis do not enjoy this luxury.
It’s hilarious and tragic that a country that routinely bombs children and murders civilians to punish them for the actions of the few, has the stones to refer to the fight against occupation as ‘terrorism’.
Had you read the article, you’d see the laptop was left where they instructed, and then, after having complied with the orders, the laptop was blown up anyway. This isn’t terrorism prevention. This, my friend, is the actual terrorism. Blowing things up for no reason other than to make people more scared.
Intimidate journalists and make your own people paranoid so they will vote to continue the massacre of the innocents forever, until there is no one left to fight for the stolen land. That’s the plan, right?
Wow! Ella’s comments are the most shocking of the batch, even more offensive than AntiZionist’s pig comment. This is EXACTLY the mentality of sheep living in a police state. “It’s Ok to do X because our opponents are worse.” I wonder where she developed such an enlightened world-view. Maybe that summer she spent in Israel at bubbie’s house, or maybe she and her AEPhi sisters came up with it all on their own.
As far as Lilysussman being able to “live [her] whole life ignorant of the evils of terrorism,” too late for that.
I’m so happy for you that you can live your whole life ignorant of the evils that Israel inflicts on its neighbours, but sadly, Palestinians do not enjoy this luxury.
There are two sides to every conflict; to fail to understand both sides is beyond negligent.
In Gaza, however, any unattended bomb may be a bomb. But the Arab Untermenschen – think of those 300+ little terrorists so beautifully ‘blown’ by the IDF.
It is so sad, Ella, that you are so filled with hate.
You are right. I like you answer. I would not be so polite… she should have known not to leave her bag unintended, tell her side of the story, which is not the whole story…,and complain.
Ella dont make excuses, first of all the way to defuse a bomb is not by shooting bullets at it.
In fact your argument of trying to equate what Israeli security did with terror and justify it,puts you and the security guards in a negative light. They could have just detained her until they scanned it or ask her to open the computer in the same manner as they did with her purse.
Actually, the best way to defuse a bomb is by blowing it up with explosives; the second best way is shooting bullets at it.
You don’t disrupt an IED by shooting at it. Doing so it a great way to get yourself killed.
Bullets won’t set plastic explosives off unless you get a lucky hit on the blasting cap, only other explosives can reliably set it off. You place a small charge on it and detonate it from a long way off, preferably using a robot. You never handle anything you think might be an IED.
This was nothing but mindless vandalism by people who shouldn’t be allowed to handle firearms or carry pointy things.
Just remember how and from who Israel got their land, also remember what Israeli militants do on a daily basis to Palestinians families, luckily Israelis do not enjoy this “luxury”
Dear Lexsky
We do remember all the “Palestinians” (just call themeselves so, there isn’t a people by that name…) killers.
Main task and job of the majority of them – kill jews, hate jews, murder jews. all of the arabs deal with terror. plain and simple.
I wish it wasn’t like that. but the arabs force it upon Israel.
Nowdays the Arab seem to think that terror shall overcome, that the “mukawama” shall win…
Terror will never win – since Israelies sacred lives, and muslims sacred land (which is NOT theirs to own!)
Israel’s point of view – Terror is just irritating and NOT an existential threat, but since it sacred lives – it must do all it can to protect its people.
Meanwhile – and this is the most important thing, dear Lexsky – Israelies live, invent medicines, explore space, develop new computer processors etc. and help the world become a better place.
And the arabs ? – deal with terror, cry out loud (lie!!) for their so called “stolen” land (which is NOT theirs!!). and Yes – they drill some oil. thats true…
This is the sad truth dear Lexsky – as long as YOU will lie about everything – you will remain fucked, since yout situation is a result of your hate and ignorance.
Israel shall overcome and it will prevail everything.
One last thing – for 19 years (1948-1967) “Palestinians” were living under an Egyptian and Jordanian cruel and ruthless occupation. WHY DIDN’T YOU REQUEST BACK THEN FOR YOUR OWN STATE ?
Love yourself a little – stop lying, make love, NO WAR.
David
Yeah, sucks that Israel and Palestine are at war and killing innocent civilians on both sides.
For the author, it sucks that the Israeli security force thought that shooting her laptop would stop a bomb. Ask anyone what the proper response for taking out a bomb and their answer will not be, just shoot the damn thing.
Your post is a pathetic attempt at whitewashing the actions of the soldiers and the unspoken rule about “punishing” those who Israelis view as sympathetic to Arabs (i.e. Westerners who study Arabic or are interested in Arabic culture and literature).
What is your explanation for the savagery in THIS article?
http://essentialgeneva.com/Bad-Day-at-the-Israel-Jordan-Border.html
Dear Oren
Your own post is a pure example of false accusations.
Yes, the laptop was destroyed, and why ? because the Arabs use and exploit innocent tourists in order to commit terror.
Plain and simple – if there was no arab terrorism – her laptop would still be intact.
Your post is a just a mere pathetic attempt to whitewash the sad fact that terror forces Israel to defend its citizens in every possible way, even if it is shooting a laptop.
Sadder is the fact that all of the soldiers’ behaviour is based upon that arab=terror reality, and it had forced the security officers at the border to shoot her laptop.
But the most sad thing ARE YOUR LIES.
Make love, no war (and especially for you – NO SPREADING OF LIES AND FALSE ACCUSATIONS!)
David
Your post is a poor attempt at whitewashing the actions of the soldiers and the unspoken rule about “punishing” those who Israelis view as sympathetic to Arabs (i.e. Westerners who study Arabic or are interested in Arab culture and literature).
What is your explanation for the savagery in THIS article?
http://essentialgeneva.com/Bad-Day-at-the-Israel-Jordan-Border.html
Ignorant of the evils of terrorism? I love the way some people will justify any behaviour in the name of some sort of defense, and then accuse others of ignorance. This is nonsense. I am not a pragmatic Arab, and I understand the reasons why Israel does what it does, but to accuse people of ignorance when these idiots go too far? What does that serve other than to highlight how incredibly paranoid, dumb, and myopic these people can be…
Posts like these make me sick. Rationalizing such an action is akin to rationalizing something as repellent as the holocaust.
That’s where you’re wrong, Nidal. There is quite a difference between destroying a laptop while aiming away from the HDD and reimbursing the owner, and an act of genocide. I think the only person being myopic here is you, and I’m afraid that you don’t really understand the weight and effect when mentioning the holocaust, regardless of argument.
You *are* right about one thing though, these soldiers are paranoid. They are paranoid because they have to take any threat seriously. They are paranoid because they have been attacked by these types of bombs more often than not. They are paranoid, Nidal , because it is their responsibility to protect their citizens, and if anything happened it would have been their fault.
The border soldiers are rude, vulgar, and aggressive; and it’s a shame that her computer was destroyed. However, these soldiers were not trained to be nice, or caring. they were trained to neutralize any possible threat to civilians.
I just wanted to correct your statement about unattended bags. Lily said she put her bags down when and where she was instructed to put them, while they questioned her. Then at some point she was alone waiting when she heard the announcement. That is when she looked for her stuff… So, it’s not like she left her bags unattended under some bench in the open, she left them under the supervision of the authorities at their request. I might understand the situation if she had left her bags unattended in a public place, but it sounds like that couldn’t be further from the truth.
Sorry for your loss; We will develop a bullet proof Mac Book ASAP after I get over my AIDS infection.
Steve Jobs dosen’t/didn’t have an AIDS infection…
Not even remotely funny.
How did the moderation let this moronic comment get posted?
So if they really thought it was a bomb would killing it kill the bomb too? Much like war this destructive act is insane.
Ignorance rules. Intellect not so much.
Make sure to get a new Mac, not a refurbished one.
If someone stole your laptop you would have lost all your data and hardware. How could you be so clueless about the risk of losing it if all your life is on it and irreplaceable?
No one should be surprised by Israelis destroying a laptop, look what those animals have been doing to their hosts, the Palestinians, for years.
There is no respectable argument for the actions of Israel. I am glad the US is awakening to the terror they support.
Have you ever seen a blown bus with body parts, blood and guts spread all over the neighborhood? Have you ever seen the color on a restaurant floor after a suicide bomber exploded to many little red pieces?
It’s very easy Rob, to sit in your protected environment – which was taken from the Indians many years ago – and preach about the “bad Israelis”. Two weeks in Israel, you may start realizing that things are not always as they seem.
Travel to the city of Sderot. People are genuine and nice there. I’m sure you’ll come across an 8 years old child, who still pee’s in bed because he’s terrified from the rockets that are being fired daily by the ”peaceful” Palestinians living in the Gaza strip, targeting him. Can you guess how long it will take a group of Texan’s to restore order if they were fired upon from a Mexican territory? About 10 minutes, and the US army will not even be called.
Lily, I am sorry for your lost, I have no idea why it happened, but Israeli border patrol agents, do not shoot peoples laptop out of enjoyment. From reading you story I guess you will be fully compensated for your laptop. I’m sorry you wasted so much time. But your time is a small price to pay in our effort to protect peoples life.
Ran
Please don’t get me started on everything that is wrong with this post. I will assume you are not evil, just ignorant.
Firstly, you refer to the Israelis as animals. Well, unless you are referring to the millions of Israeli Arabs that live as legal citizens of Israel very happily and have an active part in the democracy, I assume you are referring to the Jews, and really, unless you want to be called a Nazi, referring to Jews as animals is not a good idea.
Secondly, you call the Palestinians the ‘hosts’ of the Israelis. Do I need to remind you that Israel is a world recognized state who have sovereign authority over their land: they have no hosts. If you disagree then you had better go argue with the UN, because they passed the resolution that allows Israel to exist.
I would also like to remind you that as soon as Israel declared independence, their ‘hosts’ along with other major Arab nations declared war on them, because they didn’t believe Israel had, or has, a right to exist. They started it, Israel needed to defend their citizens.
Unlike Hamas, the elected leaders of the Palestinians, Israel believes that the Palestinians have a right to exist. If it were up to Hamas they would kill all Jews and destroy Israel in an instant. Israel only takes the necessary actions they do in order to protect the lives of their citizens, something which your beloved US of A would definitely do if they were in the same position.
Hosts? See my post above for what “Palestine” was in 19th century.
We’ll see what US will do if Mexico will throw rockets on US civilians or will blow in US buses. There will be no Mexico anymore.
You certainly have decided to bring peace with your remarks. What sorts of ‘hosts’ blow up buses and restaurants with innocents as the victims? What sorts of hosts kidnap teens and do not allow the red cross to visit them?
“Hosts”??
The Palestinians are acting like animals, blowing up people and historical sights for years. Even other Arab countries don’t like them or want to give them land, now they are insisting on taking a piece if Israel?
rob, you are EXTREMELY ignorant, not to mention racist…
Given a palestinian man and a jewish man in israel, how is the palestinian the ‘host’?
And let’s entirely ingore palestinian terror while we’re at it
And pardon me, but who the hell are you to declare “There is no respectable argument for the actions of Israel” ? What gives you this remarkable insight and power?
Yes and when the peaceful defenseless palestinians arabs and muslims you love ohh so much you little retarted dipshit kill american citizens and then celebrate those murders you can bitch more about the monster that is israel… try using google or youtube to search for the thousands of videos arabs PALESTINIANS celebrating the events of 9/11 you pathetic piece of ignorant white trash
Rob,
Shut up.
From,
Everyone
What about the Indians – Your hosts – White trash Europeans ?
You’re a fag. 🙂
rob, if Israelis are animals, you are an insect. please don’t be offended, it is just a medical fact.
Um… Ok. Good fact that one. Most humans (except obviously rob) are animals you supremacist fool. Oh, I assume you don’t see humans as animals, do you?
Ya, the US is the example of respecting human life and rights, Vietnam, Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan, black people in the south wwhat else. You americans have no right to critisize for the sake of honesty!
Hosts?
you are Ignorant Idiot
that will buff right out.
I’m surprised no one has said this…
*Always* backup your data.
My Macbook barely survived the dust of Cairo. I was sure to have two copies of anything moderately important and was even nervous about keeping both in the same location, especially after my friend’s stolen laptop.
If you need a tutorial, see here:
http://lifehacker.com/5405775/youre-backing-up-your-data-the-wrong-way
Thanks for the advice…Of course I have an external and know how to backup data.
It is true I have not always backed-up as often as I should.
You’re on Mac, you therefore have TimeMachine – if you have it setup properly (5 minutes max) then all you need to do is plug in your external and everything will be backed up transparently.
If your mac gets shot in the future, you can get a new mac and use TimeMachine to restore your new mac to the exact state your old one was in when it was last backed up.
The key thing is remembering to plug in your external drive. 🙂
This is why backups really need to be automated to be effective. If it depends on remembering to do it, inevitably problems will happen after you haven’t backed up for a long time.
It’s also worth adding that a backup isn’t _really_ a backup until you’re confident you can do a restore from it — that means you need to do regular tests. Like with that blinking button on fire alarms. 🙂
TimeMachine + one 2,5″ external drive = no worries
there are always two sides to a story….there is more here than meets the eye!!!
Your actions (passport stamps,etc…) rang alarm bells, & better your laptop then some innocent bystanders getting hurt by an exploding device….
Canuck
As I know people like you you were quite provicative, arguing about the right of palestinians to fight etc. While you might be absolutly right you ignored the sensitiivty of some Israleis to this topic. I have had bad expeirence in the US reminding them that September 11 did not just came becuase Osama woke up crazy one day….learn the lession baby
I’d also recommend storing all your data on a network drive. Gmail is what I use – your data is stored in the “cloud” and is redundantly backed up there too.
Second point – sorry for what happened to your laptop… Israel should have better procedures of identifying bombs in laptops than shooting them – in most border checkpoints this is done simply by electronic scans. Urgh… I really hope you’ll get your money back.
I’m so sorry to hear this. Hope this was a specific case of wrong conduct and they teach them better.
Insha’alla you will get a MAC AIR as a replacement.. Enjoy the rest of your stay in Israel :).
Thanks, Maher. It’s good that you’re okay, Lily. Do you think it happened because they didn’t understand why you wanted to come to Israel? Maybe they thought you were Jewish or Muslim but when you didn’t fit into their classifications (the ones they are trained to use when interrogating people), it threw them off. Who knows. Hopefully you have all of your data and you’re enjoying Israel and the West Bank and Gaza.
Yes, good luck with the rest of your stay. Israel is really beautiful, and the people are great….paranoid, but great.
It is so sad what the arabs had done to the Israelies… reading your story I am overwhelmed regarding the strong measures the Isrealis have to take in order to save their lives…
May the arab leaders start to take care of their civilians and population instead of investing so much hard currnency in terror, and may peace come upon this tiny country of Israel.
Make love, no war,
David
Darn! I was just about to invest 6 billion dollars into a new settlement in Israel. (Freeze, What Freeze?) It would of had its own Israeli roads, Israeli wall, Israeli army and police to evict the current landowners into the street (not mine) and bulldoze their homes with my CAT bulldozer (gotta clear the land somehow!). My money comes from reliable sources in another country that can be traced to legal sources-so why would they want to blow up MY laptop!!! I got land given to me by a higher power who could not ever think of anyone else other than our zionist people! We are the only ones that matter. Right?
but this Palestina stabbed an Israeli guard at a checkpoint on security camera too
Palestina Stabs Israeli Guards At Checkpoint Wounding One
Hi,
Can I repost this on AlterNet.org?
Thanks!
Oh, God.
I’m so ashamed I could ask for forgiveness, but I don’t support idf anyway.
I do hope this gets interviewed and reaches the media, as I’ve heard of several awful cases of tourists being treated like that.
The f*ck, what do they expect? Human rights are being violated every day and hour on this land, and the army expect to scare anti-zionists with questionings, to convince the world through deception?!
I hope you’ll have plenty of the /other/ side of Israel, of the people who aren’t… these people. Hope you enjoy your stay.
K
this is a macabre question … but do you have a photo of the bottom of the mac — showing the bullet exit?
we have an opportunity for a customer looking for machines to ruggerdise for field operations — basically for natural environments monitoring .. and with this being a unibody mac its a great place to start.
thanks,
Paddy
i am an israeli who has invited several muslim friends from countries like Turkey, Pakistan, the UAE, and the US to come visit me in israel. they have all come and had wonderful experiences here. at the border, they did undergo some extra questioning, but not one of them encountered rude soldiers or had experiences like this. i suspect that the guards were suspicious based upon something in your profile and that was the reason they did what they did. however, none of it is directed personally at you or your beliefs. in fact, my pakistani friends said that the guards were very pleased that they had come all the way from karachi to visit israel. we want normal relations and we want to be an equal part of the middle east with our muslim cousins.
Found this story today and am amazed at what happened….. its been a few days now, how has the rest of your stay been? Is Isreal as pretty as I am told? How goes the quest for a replacement laptop? And all the other usual questions regarding travel…..
At least it was just a Mac and not a REAL computer..
OK, so take it to the Apple Store and ask them to repair it.. just to see what happens.
Glad it was only the laptop that suffered the gunshot wounds.. could have been much worse.
Serves you right for using a dirty mac.
You can make a lot of money by
1. Sell it in ebay. You are already generating a fair amount of internet publicity. But if Israel gets wind of this auction they might seize the laptop. You smuggle / mail the laptop outside the country first.
2. Make it an exhibit at an art show or something. Could get a good lot of publicity.
actually blowing it up I could understand, if they though it was a bomb — but why on earth did they shoot it? was it trying to get away?
You are disturbed by the word fuck next to the star of David? Good God why? Be disturbed at what the satanic zionist Israeli regime has been doing to the world, not at how a frustrated, starving, jobless, orphaned Palestinian expresses his emotions.
Dear lilly,
I’m Israeli and this is awful and outrageous! and a symptom of a very distorted mentality, and part of a wider obsene policies towards people and their dignity.
I’m sure you know – we’re not all the same, some people here devote their lives to defend human rights of Palestinians and to protest to evils their country is doing (I do wish there were more of them…)
My god the Israelis are the new Nazi’s for sure
Good!
I’m sorry to hear that your laptop got shot… They must be pretty edgy given all of the security problems that they have. You know with Hamas and Hezbollah on the other side of their border. Its great to hear that they will compensate you for the laptop.
they probably mistook your laptop for a small palestinian child.
Maybe Apple will sort you out. You should forward them a copy of this. It would not be good for business if this prevented people from bringing laptops on their trips abroad. You could of course put it up on ebay and make a mint. Someone would buy it for sure.
I will never visit such a country! I’ve heard the people at the airport in Israel are all paranoiac, but this is too extreme!
Not everyone loves Mac! Ubuntu laptops would have been spared 😉
you’d be well advised to take this post down UNTIL you actually get compensated – this post was just picked up by a major Apple-oriented website in the US and will certainly be seen by hundreds of thousands of folks in the next couple days.
Sorry to hear about your laptop, what bullshit.
Wow! That is crazy. My netbook’s HDD would have never survived the 3 shots.
Insha’allah your data survived.
I’m sorry to hear about what you’ve been through. I hope the rest of your trip is a lot more satisfying.
Also…
Put the laptop up on Ebay!!! You’ll get more than enough for a replacement 🙂 !!!
if there were explosives in the laptop, wouldn’t that have been a threat to the person shooting it? that was just thuggy vandalism…
If you don’t backup as often as you should, and you have regular internet access, perhaps you should investigate a service like Mozy.
sorry this happened to you …
What Israel did was wrong. Yet, it was necessary. Palestinians and Arabs have been violent in all their pursuits. They constantly promise to settle down if only given this much property from Israel. They get it and then complain it is not enough. Israel has been modest in all dealings and only gets back-stabbed. It’s only fair that Israel starts fighting back a little dirty. Palestine is thinking with a middle-eastern mindset, while Israel tries to modernize itself with western ideas. Israel is given no other choice, but to conform to their middle-eastern thinking. Your laptop tells those rebellious Arabs… Warning! We will fight back.
I am very sorry your laptop was shot. It also saddens me to read some of the hatred in the message posted by others.
I am Jewish and have relatives in Israel. Sadly, until there is peace, measures like this are most likely necessary to protect innocent lives. I wish it were not so.
I wanted to thank you for being so understanding. If more people were like you, there would be peace in the middle east. I hope that your laptop replaced quickly and all your data is still there. May one day travel be safe and without burden for all people in the middle east and measures like this no longer necessary.
Shalom.
I’m sorry to hear what happened to your poor MacBook. May it rest in peace in digital heaven…
At least you got your hard drive out of the wreck, if my HDD got blown up, I would really be in a fit of rage, mixed with tears and fury.
I look forward to hear about your computer’s replacement? Another Macbook Pro or MacBook?
This is insane! I am still struggling with the objective of shooting the labtop if it was potentially a bomb. In what way is shooting a potential explosive advantageous? Cannot wait to see you soon! Sam.
Are you people even reading the post????
Lets look at what the writer admitted to on her blog. First, she had a hand drawn map pinpointing a location in Jerusalem. She had a photo on her phone saying Fuck next to the Star of David. She had a passport which showed visits to many countries hostile to Israel. These are just the points the author mentioned. I’m sure there is more left out on her part. ie suspicious nervous behavior etc.
USA officials would have handled the case in a similar manner and the USA doesn’t have suicide bombers trying to sneak in everyday.
Admittedly they should have let her remove the hard drive before destroying the laptop; however, when dealing with people’s lives you cannot be too careful. Personally, I have found checkpoints to be very thorough but fairly respectful. Its unfortunate that you experienced this when you had nothing to hide; however, its likely that the limited evidence at hand as well as your behavior contributed to this. Being nervous or even upset at being questioned can raise suspicion.
better ur laptop gets shot than some innocent people get blown up by a terrorist. u must have forgotten where u were. in a place where people live with a daily threat of terrorist attacks. in fact multiple daily threats.
Jews must REALLY hate apple! :p….. oh wait.. sorry my bad…totally forgot that Steve Jobs is a Jew!
Simply Go dig yourself you and all the israelis ashamed by their own people, I am french and Israeli and proud of my people.
When you’ll understand the kind of threat we have on a daily baisis maybe you’ll think that’s security is not a joke!
All the Muslims and antisionists here, you’re right palestinians and muslims want peace and all the world’s harm is because of us…just check the news!and again thanks for 9/11..stupid people!
btw:I hope ur happy now to have some buzz on ur loosy blog!
I cannot understand why it was necessary to shot a laptop and yet save all the data! I mean, surely they shot it because they wanted to destroy it!! Maybe they don’t know that data is saved in a hard drive .. and they just thought that by shooting the monitor they will destroy it. LOL, it’s hilarious, however I feel sorry you had to go through this!
Window’s users ?
Sorry about your laptop but remember however violent and unwarranted the actions of the Israeli military are, and nine times out of ten they are, these are not a true representation of the majority of Israelis.
You should backup your harddrive. It can break without israel security also. All by it’s own. Then your work will be as much lost as with bullets.
Makes no sense: you kept the data. Madness. Why are they shooting stuff up, paying for it, with no actual change, bar the hassle?
Should have known better. As a security specialist based in France, i can only attest that there is no other that is efficient to deal with suspect objects. Do not leave suspect objects anywhere.
As a side note, I feel the criticism of Israel is unjustified. All whom I encounter actually praise Israel for their world’s first-ever attempts to put together a security strategy in an asymetric battlefield. They have actually killed much less colaterales that the Palestinian did in the last 8 years (per French military reports) with much deadlier weaponery.
i think they hate steve jobs
I have to say it’s rather funny.. and got published in Israel by a big website 🙂
http://it.themarker.com/tmit/article/9129
dear lily
I am so sorry to hear that the idiotic state of israel has let you in instead of sending you to a neo natzi concentration camp or make you a flesh present to sex offenders for a sentece of cum filling you up for life.
we kill children? i would have aim better to your head… calling yourself a jewish and bring antin-semic material.
go to gaza and stay there with your so called friends in the hamas BITCH
Hi Lily,
First things first,
Welcome to Israel and i hope you enjoy your stay!
I have read your post and seems like you are a little upset (obviously) but you should remember that Security of any border is something not to be taken lightly.
by visiting any country you are basically allowing them to search you and your property.
For example the US government (DOHS specifically) has the right to search your laptop
and take it if they please without any explanations or cause (http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/01/laptops-can-be-confiscated-and-searched-at-us-border-without-cau/)
Shooting your laptop might have been a precaution based on some (hopefully) reasonable doubt.
terrorism is a worldwide plague not limited to israel, but unfortunately Israel suffers from it a lot and on a daily basis – not long ago a female terrorist stabbed a security guard at a checkpoint (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPyAMSh_yLo).
There is no proven way to detect any terrorist, and the fact that you had all those artifacts (Picture of David star with graffiti and an arab keyboard) made them suspicious of you.
Frankly, i would have been as well.
Who pays for the laptop???
Are you sure they were aiming at your laptop? I mean… was it in your arms?
As per people here who commented describing Israel as such a bad place, why would you want to visit? Or for that matter why would you even care about this place? Ya, England “gave” the land… (only after this was the first ever place English soldiers lost in battle). Further, Mrs. Zusman, you name seems a bit Jewish to me. Perhaps you’re one of those Self hating Jews which are ingrained in the Jewish DNA? and as per your laptop or any other piece of luggage which was suspicious I welcome any cautious reaction and prefer that on allowing some koo-koo fan into the country. I like the koo koo’s just were they are right now – on the net, sipping coffee and raining keyboard fire. Perhaps the best thing for you was to turn around and skip your “visit” alltogether, no?
Israel has very restrictive policy about unattended luggage, and they done that shot because they suspected it being a bomb. Please forgive them, because they done it by mistake, and were not able to guess it just a computer inside. If they offered to pay you for the fix than everything is alright.
Oh, and enjoy your stay!
I’m really sorry this happen to you. But I’m also not surprize by this people, thats why they are so mess up, they will never have no peace.
What are you whining about.
Trying to enter a country that suffers from muslim terrorism with enciting pictures and suspicious objects. you got exactly what you deserved.
And lets not forget that Israel is the only developed, democratic country in the middle east. So all you muslims and palestinian loving clowns. Just try to keep quite.
Oh, and king david and king solomon (the Israelites) were here thousands of years before the palestinians ever existed.
ones coud think it is an AL-CAIDA blog , sure you know none about israel, which is a beutifful cauntry with great people, and wich is more democratic and moral then any other nation you all stupieds come from .
I want to believe that it was just an isolated incident, though I’m not sure. I have a friend who worked as a guide in some Arab countries and her passport has those signature and she was questioned as well, but the solution I found for her was simply giving her my mobile phone number: this way the El Al security could (and did) call me as her contact.
But now I will be honest about my real political agenda: A good Mac is a dead Mac! 🙂
Hi, lucky you.
I wish somebody shot my laptop, he is so old,
and you got a new one,
OMG I’m on my way to Gaza right now.
Israel is not just shoting, bomming and stuff.
but i guess you already know it.
Я в шоке! Человеческая глупость помноженная на оружие в руках дает чудовищный результат. Надеюсь что у вас все получится с компенсацией.
Sorry to hear about your lab. This is not suprissing, since Israel is fludded with fanatics, who will blow up themself & educate their childrens to be a “Shahids”. So, if you are angry, blame those terrorists, not the Israeli security.
Я бы за такое убивал. Дикари и твари!
Your story is horrific; no doubt… the soldiers should be punished.
At the same time, your words and actions affect every Jew in the world.
your blog didn’t make headlines because your laptop got shot in a border station by a soldier, it got the headlines because it concerns Israel…
your words fuel anti Semitism and hatred to Israel, which will eventfully effect you as a Jew traveling outside the US.
I can only hope that in your time in Israel you were able to be open and see how human and advanced Israel is compared to our neighbors in the Middle East.
yo friends.. LILI is a big big hubge layer.. she does’nt know what she want’s from her life.
poor goirl. keep living like homeless in cairo.. and dont forget to stay there
Hi.
My apologies on the behalf of my idiotic countrymen. I’m really interested in Cairo, I was there very briefly last year and I’d love to go again. Please email me if you got time.
It seems that you are not aware to the situation in Israel or just shut your eyes to reality which is very common for foreigners.
FACT 1: in Israel ANY suspected object paper/bag/laptops is considered to be a bomb unless proven other wise. You can ask your friends from Hamas why… back at the 80s they used even porn magazines as BOMBS the one who picked it up.. RIP same goes for shoes, bags, trash cans!! And any other possible object.
FACT 2: Israel is not Sweden don’t dream staring at the sky at the border unless someone is looking for you, other wise you might get shot – it’s most recommended to be on the Israeli side we have the bigger guns and more ammo.
FACT 3: might be a little shock for you but Israeli soldiers are Horny they asked you those questions to get familiar with you. Looking at your photo it seems they were out there quite a bit at least 4 weeks without seeing home meals.
FACT 4: Don’t come to a country for a visit with a political statement written all over every belonging that you have it make people nervous imagine you are a suicide bomber and it was written all over but no one paid attention to… use your brain it’s important for your survival.
TIP: don’t go to CHINA with a T shirt stating FREE TIBET you might get lost and never be found.
Having said that they made a MISTAKE and you should be compensated BUT you should remember BETTER SAFE THAN SORRY.
Cheers,
Roi L.
The ultimate case of Mac bashing. They’re probably just sore Microsoft spies. Lily, I hope you know that your story is plastered all over the Mac websites. Not only should they pay for the new MacBook (Air or Pro), but also any data transfer and setup fees the vendor charges.
To give 18 year olds such responsibility is just disturbing.
Not the least bit surprised. I used to think that the Israeli learned nothing from the Third Reich. These days I’m thinking they learned a great deal, and strive to be better at it than they were.
They pay compensation when they do this shit. iF you want I can put you in touch with a friend of mine that this happened to who got compensated and she can tell you how.
I got an odd pleasure seeing a MacBook with gunshot holes in it.
just because bullets missed the hdd, doesn’t mean it’s ok.
shock of the impact of bullets could have messed up hdd’s guts and it might look like this http://www.flickr.com/photos/deboermoran/132451037/
That’s way to PC!
*too
Let us know how that replacement thing goes!
Well, i think they were just jealous not having an own MacBook!
Sorry about the laptop. Genuinely.
I must say, though, it’s mildly amusing that alongside all the comments accusing Israelis of being xenophobes, there are the ones calling Israelis “bloodthirsty” “pigs” and “animals.” Based on the comments, in fact, it would seem that it’s the anti-Israel ideologues have a problem with being hateful bigots, while many of the Israelis here seem to be characterized not by hate, but by overblown shame and desire for acceptance.
Yes, there are problems in the country — one of which is a clash of ethnicities (not too uncommon in the world), in which the extremists from the Palestinian side are sent to blow themselves up among civilians in cafes. Unfortunately, what they are taught is not too different than what some of the comments above say.
Do Israelis have overzealous airport security? Yes. I’ve loudly argued with them in the past. But, this bizarre incident aside, their job is to save lives from what is unfortunately a very real threat.
So… bring on the venomous replies. (But don’t forget: It wasn’t god or England who gave Israel to the Jews. It was Jews who moved back to their ancestral homeland, backed by the league of nations and then the united nations, which recognized that the basic human right of self determination should apply to Jews, too.)
Hey Lily.
I’m Israeli, and i feel so ashamed of what the security has done to you.
I have nothing more to say… so amazingly stupid that we put other people through
these kind of things.
….and…. well…..welcome to Israel =]
Hayvan oglu hayvan seni.
I travel a lot for business. When I travel overseas, these days, I leave the laptop with my “life” on it at home. Instead I got a cheapo POS pee-cee, with only the “pertinent” files on it, backed up on a thumb drive. If that idiot box is lost, stolen, or (more likely) seized/destroyed by the types of overzealous border guards we’re seeing more of these days, it’s no great loss.
Did you try to turn it on? I mean… it’s a Mac!
😉
ohhh…the lengths people will go to take out their jealous PC frustrations on the Macs 🙂 def an idea for Apple to consider for a commercial!
wow they shot your laptop, realy sorry to hear that, Israel destroying laptops now?
The REAL story of the Israeli Arab conflict can be found here:
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=15066
Sorry for your laptop.
Kinda telling how a story of overly aggressive security folks brings all the Jew haters out of their holes. Maybe explains the Israeli ‘paranoia.’
Anywho…sorry to hear about the laptop.
If I wasn’t an Israeli I could believe you, but this story sounds like a fairytale to me,
No one shoots a laptop unless it considered as real threat (or left alone in the crowd, What can i say, here its not the US, we do have threats and bombs sometimes).
They wouldn’t do it especially for a US tourist, Maybe you were wrong and try to enter Gaza strip instead of Israel? from them you can expect everything.
Maybe your attitude at the border made them suspicious?
Israel only shoot to defend herself, not as an hobby (Not like the US itself in Iraq,Afghan and more …….).
Enjoy life, and see the whole picture, Israel is not an angle, but we have no choice, ask your Arab friends, who shoot on civilians for 8 years? and much more
That’s why everyone with a brain should erase Israel from his (travel) map. Don’t go to Israel. Don’t buy from Israel. Don’t supply them with whatever. Just leave them alone.
Lol. Should have bought a PC.
I am sorry to hear this.
The bright side of things is that you did not lose any data (i.e. your hard drive was intact). Also good to hear that you have other options such as an external drive. However another option for you might be cloud storage such as Google Documents, Zoho, Dropbox etc.
I cannot think why they would do that but from personal experience, officials in the airports work long hours and at times are ‘on edge’ so the slightest thing can ‘tick them off’ (if you excuse the expression). I recall once going back home I had to stop in Germany. I was carrying with me two notebooks (one Apple one PC) and I spent the best part of an hour explaining to the officials at the airport in Munich why there was a reason for me to carry two of them. In the end after 2 x-rays they had to apply some sort of solution on both notebooks so that they can detect whether there was any explosives in them or not. That in itself was weird to me since they had x-rayed the machines and I switched both of them on so that they can see.
Still your experience tops everything and if you want to take the funny side of it, you are now left with a unique souvenir. 🙂
Yea.. sort of like a “democracy,” but different.
Wow, OK… Cross off Israel from my list of places to visit. If I have to go through all that to go on vacation, I’d rather go to Afghanistan.
Hi Lily Sussman,
You don’t have an “About Me” link so we don’t know much about you. You event is on http://gizmodo.com/5426794/im-sorry-but-we-blew-up-your-laptop so you should get quite a bit of action on your blog today. Also you may want to track “visits” instead of “hits” on your blog. “hits” the number of elements loaded (pictures, called files, etc) and where a visit is how many different IP addresses have visited your site. You have an interesting article at http://www.boston.com/news/world/blog/2009/09/cooking_kindnes.html and http://www.boston.com/news/world/blog/2009/08/_by_lily_sussma.html .
How is your language studies coming?
Jesus loves you : )
Bob.
seriously, put it on ebay. wouldn’t be surprised if some apple dork pais a nice sum for it. i think it does look apealing.
This is some seriously Effed Up BS. And on more than one account.
1) The fact that the security there is a bunch (or majority) of 18 year olds… Seriously? Who, while may still be mature for their age (considering the situation they live/work in), are still nothing but a bunch of young, reckless, hormone-driven idiots like every young adult on the planet.
2) You’d think that people in their position would get much more or better training than that, especially when it comes to handling questionable property (Could have confiscated the hard drive for an inspection. Or what if the laptop was rigged?)
3) Regardless of whether or not Israeli or Palestine shot it up, the people who work there and are responsible for the actions taken are complete and utter morons.
As for some of the commenters that talk about how all Israelis are zionist pigs and what not, while I certainly can not condone acts committed by the Israeli Government/Military, I’m sure tha most Israeli don’t know any better. And as such, is it not fair to say that Palestines may have taken some part in a violent act with or without the intent of causing civilian casualties?
And if that isn’t something ! Oh boy , I hope you got a refund or something soon enough! 😉
i am realy sory and hope they will pay you waht the leptop cost,al this is becuse the teror we sufer from hamas,
Unfortunately terrorists frequently attempt bombings in Israel, as well as terror attacks pulling weapons out of “hidden” spots and jumping security (example: http://wejew.com/media/7057/Arab_Woman_Stabs_Israeli_Officer/.
Fortunately (thank G-d) the security services successfully defeat 999 out of 1,000 attempts. However, this does lead to a certain overzealousness on the part of the security services. Given the number of attempts, this is completely understandable.
Lily, you are now famous!
Your story was published in the Israeli tech site TheMarker IT:
http://it.themarker.com/tmit/article/9129
I’m pro Israel – but this is total bullshit and completely wrong. Israel has been so put on the defensive by the Muslim “join us or die & kill all Jews” whack-jobs that they can’t tell a harmless traveler from a threat. Israel needs a moral overhaul, big time. Someone has to end the police state there.
As for the Anti-Israeli comments weaseled into the comments above – Israel is a sovereign State, and that’s it. Get over it. Land is taken and declared someone’s land all the time and that has gone on from the beginning of history to this moment. No one wanted that dead land until the Jews had the guts to make it lush and livable. Muslim extremists just hate Jews and always have.
Good to see that you at least survived!
Hopefully they will reimburse you. Maybe Apple is willing to help?
I am too terribly sorry to hear this. I’ll admit my ignorance about their strict security policies but that’s just too much now isn’t it? But I’m sure you’ve thought of that to yourself too and it must have been frustrating.
On a personal note, I really admire the fact that you managed to get through the whole ordeal.
On another personal note, this makes me wonder if journalism’s really my field. If you could hit me back with a reply, I’d really appreciate it.
He Lily,
I’m very sorry for the fucking stupefied Israeli IDF… the smelly, stinky; lousy…
I live in Tel-Aviv Jafo. if you need any help with your mac or the government refunding
contact me… i have friends in apple Israel and i me self own a macbook pro..
good lack any how
Seff.
Wow. Macbook destroyed because it had Arabic text on it and you’d taken pictures of graffiti.
Everything I hear about Israel makes it sound like such a free and wonderful place.
You should sell it on eBay! You will definitely make some money!
Any updates? Did you get your laptop replaced?
You’re lucky this had not happened to you in some north American country!
Quite a few non Americans spent many weeks in FBI custody for much less that that… among them were even a dozen or so Israeli’s who spent several weeks, arrested in maximum security bases, after Sep. 11th suffering the unfortunate luck of having Middle Eastern accent and dark skin.
Why don’t you try and pretend to be non American once, and show this attitude when entering the US at J.F.K…. hell! First apply for a US tourist visa at the Consular department of the US embassy in Tel Aviv, going only half the way of your attitude.
You will be surprised to find out that the Israeli security staff suddenly seem rather nice, which says a lot.
Now to the facts: they didn’t “shoot” you Laptop – they treated your bag the way “objects suspected as bombs” are treated: we have a lot of these and the procedures of handling them “were written in blood”. A right wind Israeli citizens bag would have been treated the same.
For the more balanced reader – you know, those annoying people actually looking for the behind the story fact – it seems as if you really pushed for the chain of events, eventually happening, to occur. Many hundreds of tourists cross that passage every day – few of them are Americans or Westerners at all – and still the miraculous shooting happened to you? How come those rude, merciless Apartheid agents actually picked on the young American Jewish girl? Aren’t they supposed actually to shoot possessions of Arabs, or at least those tourists from countries where there are only few commonly read blogs, mostly not in English?
Oh… and BTW: following your logic, or “people shooting my laptop must also shoot kids, women etc.”? what should I deduct about the American people trusting on those many clips showing US cops pointing guns at drunk drivers, sometimes actually shooting them? Or all those daily cases where common Americans get up in the morning, going to work and shooting all their work mates? Where does that habit comes from? I ask sincerely as an Israeli who spent all his life here – actually in a mixed Arab-Jewish town – people shooting people is a scenario that seems to be almost taken from a Hollywood movie. Check the statistics about that; they are out there. You will see I am right.
PS: don’t play the same tricks on the Egyptians. Trust me.
Happy holidays.
Those safety officers did their job. They are responsible for the safety of their people. It’s not a big deal.
You got off easy, I would have had you hold it while it was being ‘inspected’.
So now you can blog about how Israel shoots at unarmed women, children and laptops. Get a life loser!
You leave your laptop unattended, then its suspicious,
shooting at an object to check if its wired is a standard procedure.
at least you got what you were looking for – attention.
Mac?
In Windows We Trust!
Hi
Backup your data!
Benzona
i hope they teach the security folks what to aim at when shooting.I am glad your hard drive survived and glad for the mac advertising. 3 bullets and the mac survived at least the data did survive. good story
It happens when you fight against “The Hand” Elektra.
Wait, you do have an Egyptian boyfriend? And you live in Egypt? I had to go through a lot of questioning to get on a flight back to Israel–after spending a few days in Egypt to see the pyramids. I can’t imagine if I LIVED in Egypt. You’re lucky they only shot your laptop. Israel is a cool place, but they take security VERY seriously, for obvious reasons, and you raised a LOT of red flags. If you look at it from their perspective, you’re lucky they let you in.
But, hopefully your story will prevent incidents like this from happening in the future (or reduce them). If you’re going to Israel, have a place to stay, paid for, verifiable (printed receipts, etc). Do not live in an Israel-hating country. Do not be a single female who looks like an anti-Israel journalist. Do not have pictures that portray Israel in a negative light. Do not have maps of the central bus station!!! Expect hours of screening, and be pleasant.
In downtown Cairo, on every street corner, they sell Pro-Hitler books, talking about how great Hitler was, they have books with the Star of David with knives in it and blood poring out. And Egypt is the moderate middle eastern country, that serves as the go-between for other arab nations. As ridiculous as it all may seem to Americans, it’s no joke to them, and this should be thoroughly considered before going there. Also, you should study Israeli culture and Judaism before going to Israel (as you should study local customs before going to any country). That you didn’t know anything about Israel or Judaism before going there was also odd.
If I were you, I would have been pissed that they broke my laptop. Livid, actually. You’re handling this better than I would have. Anyway, lesson learned.
sorry for your laptop and your lose, but u know very well that in israel, leaving unattended objects is a serious thing. they have signs very everywhere saying to don’t leave unnatended objects. I think u should be mature enough and assume the responsibility of losing the laptop that way.
It sucks that this happened. Obviously a case of the wrong people taking matters in hand.
Having said that, those of you who choose to lash out at the whole state and its people are guilty of the exact same type of bigotry.
I’m sorry to read what you’ve been through at Taba border. I hope you’ll be compensated and your trauma will be long gone. As for other replies here: well I can’t call it anything but hate to Israel (Zionist pigs, killing children etc’). I guess people should learn a bit more about the conflict in the middle-east and be a bit more modest before they shout empty slogans to the air. In the country where you live Lily (Egypt) they shoot to kill refugees from Darfur and Erithrea on daily basis. They shoot them when they try to cross the border from Egypt to Israel. They discriminate the Koptic Christians, in other words bad things are being done all over the world: US, UK and yes, also by other Arab countries and by the Palestinians. It’s so bizarre to portray Israel as the bad guy in the hood. Other countries are not better, no worse, specialy a country in a state of war. Israelis are not saints, nor do the Palestinians.
Humm… Curious… Did anything else have three holes in it? So they took it out of your bag and just shot up only your Apple laptop? Sound like a jealous rage to me.
That’s what you get with a mandatory military service. You get a kid with no business in armed service carrying a weapon and acting like judge, jury and executioner. Slippery slope here. Heading full steam to a German like Gestapo. Quite ironic really.
it seems like she is a liberal pro-Palestinian student who thought she could learn more about the “Middle East conflict” (i.e. the Arab world versus Israel not the Palestinians vs. Israel) by studying in Cairo, not in Israel, answered their standard questions in a suspicious manner, answered their further questions in a more suspicious manner, and was furthermore carrying anti-Israel/Jewish materials on her person. It is furthermore suspicious that she is white with this kind of obsession.
This is not the whole story – far, far from it. The Israeli government does NOT just shoot everyone’s laptop who comes through Ben Gurion or any other border crossing.
If you’ve ever flown an El-Al flight you know Israel takes security extremely seriously. If there is something that is even remotely out of place it is isolated and double-triple checked before they even think of letting it on board, let alone allow it into the country.
Israeli airport security makes American airport security look like a joke. Even now, post-9/11 it is very easy to conceal small knifes and past American airport security checkpoints – in Israel they would have found it by checking the stuff on your key ring, making you strip almost down to your underwear, unpacking your luggage and repacking it, besides letting bomb-sniffing dogs near it and letting it go through an x-ray machine deemed too expensive to implement in American airports. El-Al planes have been secured with everything from reinforced cockpit doors to air marshals to anti-missile flares since decades before 9/11.
I’m sorry, but with all do respect, you left your bag unattended. What did you expect to happen??? You have to understand that Israel is a place where everything is checked for explosives. They even check your bag at the entrance of every coffee shop, even at the hart of Tel-Aviv. It’s not because Israelis just like blowing things up. In Israel, never EVER leave things unattended. Even when you think it’s fine, it’s not!
To ms. Zusman:
Did you ever stop to think that the things found in your bags mimic exactly things found in the bags of a terrorist attempting to enter and blow up a bus station in Israel? (the pictures of “fuck + magen david”, the map detailing a bus station, the route,etc) The other issue is that the fact that your computer ended up shot tells me you were probably not too cooperative with the security agents. I assume that instead of putting them at ease you probably took the stupid attitude of “well if they shoot kids all day, no wonder they shot my computer”. Your support of such a foolish remark says everything, explains your approach to Israel, and explains why the security personnel did not trust you. Just do us all a favor and dont come to Israel!
Plenty of ignorant comments here to be sure, but they’re obvious to any rational reader. As to the laptop shooting, that definitely sucks, but think of this in context. The same thing can happen at any international border crossing. The U.S. DHS, for instance, is very open about its policy that it can confiscate indefinitely any data device being brought into the country for further inspection. If you get it back at all, it may not have bullet holes in it, but it’s equally frustrating (without providing good photo opportunities). Regardless, this is why savvy international travelers follow the advice to not carry valuable or sensitive data on their laptop when traveling and backup before you go. Better luck next time.
Sorry for the damage caused to your computer and the overall experience, however there is another side to the story. In the past explosive devices were inserted into electronic equipment owned by unsuspecting young Western women who were on their way into Israel. The owners didn’t know nor suspected of anything. Only through the vigilance of the Israeli security people these atempts were foiled. It happened! Even a lap top can hold enough explosives to blow up a bus. So, when a piece like your computer is determined to be suspect, rather than to try and disassemble it and risk the lives of the explosive experts involved , the unit is shot at by a remote gun in a protecetd place. Had it been a bomb it would have exploded. This time it wasn’t. There are millions of tourists who come to Israel every year with their computers without any problem. Unfortunately for a few, sometimes something extreme like what happened to you occurs. To compare that to the shooting of kids, etc., is sheer demagoguery and unfair. Enjoy Israel in safety and peace (thanks to the Israeli security people.)
Israel, as the main target of islamic extremists, is a country under threat. Just read some of the replies to this thread, putting israel in commas and denying it’s legitimacy..
I can understand your anger, but if you stop for a minute, and think what kind of people has the potential to come from peaceful countries such as Jordan or Egypt, you might understand why this border is so tense.
Did you ever stop to think that the things found in your bags mimic exactly things found in the bags of a terrorist attempting to enter and blow up a bus station in Israel? (the pictures of “fuck + magen david”, the map detailing a bus station, the route,etc) The other issue is that the fact that your computer ended up shot tells me you were probably not too cooperative with the security agents. I assume that instead of putting them at ease you probably gave an attitude of “well if they shoot kids all day, no wonder they shot my computer”. Your support of such a foolish remark, and it is a very foolish remark, says everything, explains your approach to Israel, and explains why the security personnel did not trust you.
I don’t say that they should have blown up your computer, and I have to agree that they need to take better methods to check one’s luggage, but many Israeli men, women and children died in terror attacks and that’s why the security is so strict and sometimes unpleasent.
I hope that you’ll enjoy your stay in Israel. It’s a great place to travel and live in.
I strongly suggest you contact the nearest US embassy and file a formal complaint. Given our country’s support of Israel, I’d like to think citizens traveling to Israel wouldn’t be treated in such a manner.. not to mention what about the risk to other people in the airport if a bullet ricocheted? Unacceptable. I hope you get all involved in a heap of trouble.
This is why.
with jews u loose:)
at least it was the cpu and not you, look at the size of the holes in that thing–they went all desert eagle!!!
I know its been said frequently above, but what possible logic was there in blowing your laptop up by shooting it 3 times? If it was packed with explosive then it would have taken out a large chunk of the surrounding area!
I think you should try to claim the insurance on it, see if they have a clause for “bullet-holes”. You never know! 🙂
surprise surprise – one mention of anything about the middle east and the first punch is thrown by the muslim side about how horrible Israel is…typical…just saying
I think Ella hit the nail on the head…she didn’t say anything in anger or hate…she just said that we have to deal with the potential of being blown up everyday…no name calling bull****
That’s very strange. Did you behave provocatively or defiantly? Without a good reason these guys don’t act this way.
you want to know why they did it ???
thats why !
-Zuheir Mohsen (Arabic: زهير محسن)-
“The “Palestinian people” does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a “Palestinian people”..”
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you want to know why they did it ???
thats why !
HOW DOES ISRAEL TREAT TERRORISTS?
google>> “samir kuntar”
a lebanese terrorists who killed a 4 year old girl bashing her brains out with the butt of his riffle.
“samir kuntar” earned TWO university degrees in israeli prisons at the expense of the Israeli tax payer.
ONLY IN ISRAEL ! ! !
Dear World,
It appears that you are hard to please. I understand that you are upset over us here in Israel. Indeed, it appears that you are quite upset, even angry and outraged. Indeed, every few years you seem to become upset over us. Today, it is the brutal repression of the Palestinians; yesterday, it was Lebanon; before that it was the bombing of the nuclear reactor in Baghdad and the Yom Kippur War campaign. It appears that Jews who triumph, and who therefore, live, upset you most extraordinarily.
Of course, dear world, long before there was an Israel, we the Jewish people upset you. We upset a German people, who elected a Hitler and we upset an Austrian people, who cheered his entry into Vienna and we upset a whole slew of Slavic nations – Poles, Slovaks, Lithuanians, Ukrainians, Russians, Hungarians, Romanians.
And we go back a long, long way in history of world upset. We upset the Cossacks of Chmielnicki, who massacred tens of thousands of us in 1648-49; we upset the Crusaders, who on their way to liberate the Holy Land, were so upset at Jews that they slaughtered untold numbers of us. We upset, for centuries, a Roman Catholic Church that did its best to define our relationship through Inquisitions. And we upset the arch-enemy of the church, Martin Luther, who in his call to burn the synagogues and the Jews within them, showed an admirable Christian ecumenical spirit.
It is because we became so upset over upsetting you, dear world, that we decided to leave you – in a manner of speaking – and establish a Jewish State. The reasoning was that living in close contact with you, as resident-strangers in the various countries that comprise you, we upset you, irritate you, and disturb you. What better notion, then, than to leave you and thus love you – and have you love us? And so we decided to come home, to the same homeland from which we were driven out 1,900 years earlier by a Roman world that, apparently, we also upset.
Alas, dear world, it appears that you are hard to please. Having left you and your Pogroms and Inquisitions and Crusades and Holocausts, having taken our leave of the general world to live alone in our own little state, we continue to upset you.
You are upset that we repress the Palestinians. You are deeply angered over the fact that we do not give up the lands of 1967, which are clearly the obstacle to peace in the Middle East. Moscow is upset and Washington is upset. The Arabs are upset and the gentle Egyptian moderates are upset.
Well, dear world, consider the reaction of a normal Jew from Israel. In 1920, 1921 and 1929, there were no territories of 1967 to impede peace between Jews and Arabs. Indeed, there was no Jewish State to upset anybody. Nevertheless, the same oppressed and repressed Palestinians slaughtered hundreds of Jews in Jerusalem, Jaffa, Safed and Hebron. Indeed, 67 Jews were slaughtered one day in Hebron in 1929.
Dear world, why did the Arabs – the Palestinians – massacre 67 Jews in one day in 1929? Could it have been their anger over Israeli aggression in 1967? And why were 510 Jewish men, women and children slaughtered in Arab riots in 1936-39? Was it because of Arab upset over 1967? And when you, World, proposed a U.N. Partition Plan in 1947 that would have created a Palestinian State alongside a tiny Israel and the Arabs cried and went to war and killed 6,000 Jews – was that upset stomach caused by the aggression of 1967? And, by the way, dear world, why did we not hear your cry of upset then?
The Palestinians who today kill Jews with explosives and firebombs and stones are part of the same people who – when they had all the territories they now demand be given them for their state – attempted to drive the Jewish State into the sea. The same twisted faces, the same hate, the same cry of “idbah-al-yahud” – “Slaughter the Jews!” that we hear and see today, were seen and heard then. The same people, the same dream – destroy Israel.
What they failed to do yesterday, they dream of today – but we should not “repress” them. Dear world, you stood by the Holocaust and you stood by in 1948 as seven states launched a war that the Arab League proudly compared to the Mongol massacres. You stood by in 1967 as Nasser, wildly cheered by wild mobs in every Arab capital in the world, vowed to drive the Jews into the sea. And you would stand by tomorrow if Israel were facing extinction.
And since we know that the Arabs-Palestinians daily dream of that extinction, we will do everything possible to remain alive in our own land. If that bothers you, dear world, well – think of how many times in the past you bothered us.
In any event, dear world, if you are bothered by us, here is one Jew in Israel who could not care less.
Oh poor me
FYI, Lithuanians, Hungarians, and Romanians are not Slavic nations.
I’d be quite happy with a shot-up laptop, pretty unique souvenir.
And seeing as this is on Haaretz you’ll probably get a visit from Netanyahu and twenty-five new laptops so I think you’ve done alright here, thanks for your account.
What about the bullet exit shot(s)?
Was this the aluminum version?
Hi
you say the hard drive is presumably Ok, It s a Mac…
I had a very similar experience at the Airport in Tel Aviv. Simply put, the Israelis do not care about visitors
Sorry to hear about the laptop, and even more sorry to hear just how paranoid the Israeli people are. Then again, we’re maybe two steps away from the same kind of paranoia here in the US. It’s good that the hard drive survived, though. That’s really the most important aspect to any computer.
Anyway, just remember, there is a lot of history intertwined with religion all bundled up in zealotry, from all sides. Israel, biblically, is Israel (okay, before that it was Canaan, but God did promise Canaan to Moses and the Hebrew people). Historically, well, again, we have religion and zealotry. The sad thing is that after what has happened to the Jewish people throughout history we have become paranoid and feel like we must spend everyday fighting for our existence. Even here in the US, if you are Jewish and outside of heavily Jewish areas you run into some nasty anti-Semitism. And for what? Because, we don’t believe in the Christian or Muslim faiths. Because, we believe in the God of the Old Testament. At least here in the US people, on both sides, tend to be a bit sane in how they project their particular biases.
Sorry, don’t mean to rant, just wanted to add a little perspective to those who have commented negatively about Israel and the Jewish people, hopefully create a little understanding.
The end result is that, until we Humans can learn to live and let live, there will always be these conflicts, even in the US. Me, personally, I don’t care what one believes in, as long as they treat others with respect and consideration, and don’t try to convert.
Hope your stay in Israel is safe, quiet and rewarding. I haven’t been myself, but know those who have. They’ve had a wonderful time, and luckily weren’t near any conflicts.
we shot at the laptop because it’s a piece of Shit – like all the Apple hardware
hey lily
my name is arik, and i am living in israel, i have just read about what have happend and i am shocked, i am really shock….
it is preety fucked up!
now i want to adress to all the mother fuckers who just called me zionist pig or fucking jew or what the fuck it is not the issue…
i will tell u a bot about myself, my name is arik i am 26 years old born and raised in the land of israel… i hate the occupation , i hate the fact that i cant go to lebanon for a walk, i hate the fact that my country is being rulled by those bullies who think power is the only way, i hate the police here, i love the land , i love my parents , i love my camera so much and i really love my girlfriend, i am not doing any army bullshit thanks to my good friend the reffer ganja weed and shortly the holey plant of alla god ha shem and all the others, i am just like u my friends BUT i am a israeli jew… no! i dont want to take over the world, no! i dont have any shekel on my tuches BUT i wanna live in peace so my mother fuckers antizionist freind dont include all the jews u fuckers it is not our choise to be born as we had dont just hate, hatered is for stupid people, and i guess u r also…..
anu way if u r still here…. listen its not only if u come to israel u get fucked by the police, i am getting checked alot in my country dispite the fact that i am a jew (or if u like to call my a pig its ok cause u r stupid anyway) 6″4 blonde guy i mean i am a regular non suspicious kind of guy…. i am getting checked cause i have long hair!….
so it is not new the way they act…. its not only u… they r doing it for time to time to their “own people”…..
for the ones who said that we stole the land, u should go and read about the what the british decided 5/6 to the arabs 1/6 to the jews, they disagree and war began…. we won and this is life, so stop fucking cry! about the occupation, as i said before i am against it, but this is a natural response to fear…. the jews r affraid my freind, for about 80 fucking years they r being attacked by the arabs…. so they r afraid….
u should also read mark twain, u will find out that israel palestaine or chupochupo as i like to call it was an empty land! u could barely find some1 here……
i will love to make a discussion with any of u about israel ok ok chupochupo…..
i was born here i love to love and i hate the haters dont be judgmental….
“muslim” and his friend as whats his name said in the movie “totaly baked” fuck u fuck u fuck u and fuck u to – lily i am sorry to this on your blog but i am really pissed when i am being called a fucking jew!
I wonder what would happen if you go to any Arab country dressed as a traditional Jew does and should, with a stamp on your passport from Israel. You wont be complaining about a shot computer, thats for sure. They’d kill you on the spot, or be refused entry.
Wow. I would cry if they had done that to MY MacBook… I mean, even though you got lucky enough to recover your data, it’s painful to see such brutality taken to your own computer…
It’s a shame you’re giving a stage for muslim extremists to take place here.
Israel is a country surrounded by enemies domestic and foreign. to leave your bag unattended is a mistake, and a kid’s bag got blown up in an elementary school when I was young for the same reason.
when 30 people die in a bus because some fucked up muslim decided to kill himself and some Jews with him, don’t be surprised that you dear laptop has been shot by the suspicion.
It’s a great country even if there are fucked up people on our side too, I’m just gr8 that they doing it for my safety!
If that what they do to a computer imagine what they to the Palestinian people. These people think they are above the law and they are willing to kill infants like they did in Gaza. Nasty Occupation in the 21st century.
I have lived in Israel and seen bags and clothes destroyed. You never leave a bag anywhere. They have to deal with people blowing up checkpoints, movie theaters, cafes and bus stops. These are not military posts. These are bus stops with small children and the elderly. Then a second bomb goes off to hit the people who rush in to help the wounded. This is a country that has been forced to defend itself everyday, since 1948. Yet when my wallet was lost a guy drove across Jerusalem to return it to me, with all the money still in it. Not all the soldiers handled you correctly true. But as the saying goes you only forget your bag once in Israel.
It made the headlines in Israel as well. Contrary to what some previous posters believe, most people here find it down right outraging and scandalous. Though it was not done out of spite, it wasn’t a very bright move either, to say the least.
Welcome to Jerusalem by the way. I assume your hostel is in the vicinity of Jaffa Road. As you get around there, keep in mind just a few years ago, many Israelis and foreigners were killed in numerous suicide bombings along this seemingly peaceful and noisy route. This might give you some insight into the overtly-paranoid security culture Israelis have come to accept as a natural part of their lives, though it’s a relatively recent development.
greetings from malaysia.. this story is a truly insane story. allow me to translate it into my mother tongue. i am sharing your amazing stories with my fellow countrymen
hope you get a new mac soon..
Hi Lily,
My name is Lilit and I’m the editor of the website Jewcy.com. Would you be interested in reposting this piece on Jewcy? Email me at lmarcus@jewcy.com and we can discuss further.
Best,
Lilit
Hi Lily,
I’m from israel and wanted to tell you – your story got headlines in one of the major news sites.
I guess that shows that even in here people thought it was serious matter.
But i just wanted to say that we had our share of grim history regarding bombs hidden in bags, so the procedure taken in case of a bag left unattended is to treat it as a bomb. it might seem a bit extreme precaution but this procedure has saved lives before, and what is the price of mac compared to the life saved?
I’m really glad you’ll be compensated, it looks like a really expensive laptop.
Lior
Do not get an AIR. Get another Macbook. And so glad they missed your HD (bet that is what they were aiming at!). I forwarded this article to a artist friend. I would keep that shot up for a display of nonsensical violence to computers!
I will keep my macbook away from my chest when transporting it, fo sure
Its really sick to see how this comment board has become filled with hate and pure antisemitism. Its totally sickening.
Maybe before you all express your outrage you should try to understand the reason that Israeli security shoots laptops and other devices. And that is, of course, suicide bombings. Before Israel erected its security barrier it faced roughly 1 suicide bombing every day. EVERY DAY. Now the country is more cautious. The military shoots suspicious objects in case it is a bomb. In most countries they do not do this because the threat of a suspicious object actually being a bomb is so low, they just inspect it. Israel finds dangerous items trying to cross its boarders every single day, and if it spent time trying to investigate each one, it would have a lot of blown up security officers. Instead, it shoots them to set them off in case they are dangerous. Perhaps if there were less people int he world like people in this comment thread Israel would not need to shoot people’s laptops.
The only thing I see as a problem here is that it is difficult to get reimbursed. Reimbursement should be provided freely.
This is a quite reasonable way to deal with UNATTENDED luggage, I agree. But I’d like to point out one thing: this very luggage was NOT unattended. That is: the owner of the luggage was well known to the security officers and that owner was at hand. If even the luggage technically was unatended at that moment – the officers made it unattended themselves by requesting the girl to leave it.
If there is a suspicion that there might be a bomb in the luggage – there exists an old and well known way to deal with it if the owner is nearby: the owner is requested to handle/open/turn on the thing himself. In a special room or even in the bomb pit if there is a suspicion that the owner can be a suicide bomber. I live in Russia and was once inspected by Putin’s guards when went to a show Putin was going to attend. They did exactly that: requested to show my things, turn on my mobile phone and show that it was in a working condition, all by my hands.
As for this case with the blown up laptop, i’m sure these were jerks who wanted to take revenge on the girl/upset her, formally covering their butts by instructions.
Sounds like they were very professional. You can certainly understand why security is a priority and they err on the side of caution. What’s more upsetting than reading about your experience is reading the racist comments in response to it. The Arabs in Israel enjoy more civil liberties than any other Arabs in the Middle East. Would you rather be an Arab woman living in Israel or Saudi Arabia?
The word is “unscathed”.
i enjoyed reading your article and enjoyed even more by seeing your destroyed laptop pictures. im happy this happened to you, we dont need more pro-terrorist scum in our country. this goes for the rest of you on here planning a future trip to israel. dont you guys have something better to do than bash israel all day long? stop being jealous
and please do reply to my post, i will enjoy reading your comments
Frankly, I think you’re terribly naive and foolish. It’s sad that as a Jew you know nothing of your own heritage yet you obviously pursue visiting and learning about the people who openly profess to hate you and wish to destroy your people. There’s nothing wrong with learning about them, but doesn’t it seem strange to you that you haven’t the understanding to temper that with learning about your own culture, too? To go to Egypt, Syria, UAE, and all those other places and then to waltz into Israel with no sensitivity to the issues you are facing (what are all your “client” notes anyway that you are bringing in from the Arab world, may I ask?), seems just dumb. Look at how the American hikers are being treated in Iran — what makes you think it’s different for you? This is a serious conflict here, and you expect that all the suspicious baggage you are carrying will not be looked at with suspicion? Israel is a very fine place and works very hard to protect its people, who have have barely survived, or are the children of survivors, of horrible, horrible treatment at the hands of the rest of the world. One must therefore err on the side of caution. Too bad you have given a platform for all the Israel haters, who are always looking for a way to blame tiny Israel for being a haven in their own historic homeland for a people who have been so persecuted throughout the ages. The self-righteousness of all those Israel haters — and your own little spoiled American sense of entitlement — should be seen through a more serious lens.
Entitlement? I guess you are not interested in American visitors unless they visit your country and travel the world in ways you deem fit.
But if you want to talk entitlement, as an American who could give a rip about your conflict, I think the best answer is to stop our billions of foreign aid to the region and see whose sense of entitlement is offended.
this is the only way i like to see macs
Sorry, I have no compassion to you. Buy the way, majority of responses you have got do not have compassion to you either. Why? Because the hype of the story is easy to reveal. You have got exactly what you asked for.
Be happy having you HD salvaged and getting money compensation. Israel is a civilized country even so you want to prove opposite.
Just an advice – you are not ready for political career – you have not learnt to be a liar – take an extra curriculum course
You are a liar! The same mentality of miserable liars as your “friends” have. You are a girl from Pallywood.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1135243.html
It is too bad they did not blow your head off. Then you would have grasped that Israel is surrounded by enemies who want every Jewish man, woman and child dead. Israel is not New Zealand or Iceland but trash like you cannot grasp it.
Aren’t you a coward to publish other points of view? For everybody to see ’em.
You should be ashamed of yourself. Your ancestors are tossing in their graves. They were dreaming to have a Jewish state. What their descendent does? Shits on Israel like an Arab enemy. Congreatulations! Now you have joined their ranks!
You wanted to go to Israel huh?
Well you deserve ir for going there in the first place.
of course it’s quite crazy that they shot your laptop — but imagine it had been a bomb, I don’t think that all types would go off when shot like that (for example, did your battery explode? They don’t even seem to have hit it, and it’s quite easy to blow up a battery to injure somebody…)
So not only did they go way out of line with this action, it’s also completely useless.
(But at least they didn’t do it to destroy your work out of spite, then they would have made sure they got the hdd)
Didn’t they even ask you to switch it on and click around like TSA does? (it would be quite easy, they could have put you in a room, if it was indeed an iBomb, you would have blown up just yourself…)
Sorry to hear about this, I’d be upset about it if it happened to me. But while we have all this Isreal bashing from our Muslim brothers, lets not forget what would happen should a Jew, let alone an Isreali Jew, should step foot in Saudi – its not the laptop that would be tortured and killed although I’m sure it would find a new home soon enough.
I have travelled to Israel many times, and have never had my lap top destroyed or shot at.
Yes, when I was in Egypt, I had a street urchin attempt to steal my wallet, and in Jordan, a police officer stopped my car and attempted to garner baksheesh (a bribe) from me.
Oh! By the way, Jordan used to be called Trans-Jodanian Palestine. Palestine used to be called Judea. Let’s call Jordan Palestine, again, and called Israel Judea.
If you need any help please call me 054.3077272
Amazing what the Israels are able to…
Holy crap, thats a crazy story. I don’t think I’ll ever be going over seas with my camera equipment or macbook any time soon after reading this.
I’m sure most others are smart enough not to place arabic stickers on their laptops in this day and age.
Everyone seems really focused on the laptop, and rightfully so, but I’d like to ask another (possibly stupid) question. Maybe I’m uncultured, or maybe I’m prejudiced in some way, but *why* in the world would someone willingly fly into an area in ‘conflict’ like that? We know things like this happen. People get questioned, ‘tortured'(?), have things confiscated… shot at, even… and that’s just at the airport.
I wouldn’t willingly fly into something like that if my own mother lived there. I understand that the people who live there and have spent their whole lives there call it home, and there are issues with immigration, govt, etc., but I can’t fathom why someone would willingly throw themselves into that part of the world.
I kinda see this as me walking into South Central LA or Oakland at 3am and then being surprised when I get mugged or harassed by the police.
Typical israeli conduct with nonjewish
”They quizzed me on Judaism, which I know nothing about”
O no, god forbid u will know anything about your own religion…
Got some issues a ?
Egyptian border police shoot and kill Muslim African refugees every week just for trying to cross into Israel. It’s a fact.
But who cares? Lets slender Israel again, every body else does.
Nimrod your name fetes. Looking for lay? Traitor.
why do not you sue them?!
That’s crazy… poor macbook. LOL, what were they thinking, why would that solve anything?
Hi,
First let me say I am happy that you recover your data pic and so.
Sec, please read this links :
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1214726186987&pagename=JPArticle%2FShowFull
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1204546422275&pagename=JPArticle/ShowFull
and I am sorry to say there are so much more links like this two.
Now to my main point.
You are right this is no way to act like thay did, but just for one sec. hold on and try to think about the sec side … terror is not deliver just by an Arab guy shooting with an AK47 …
Some of the terror attacks where Cary by women’s and yes 13 year old boys…
So we need to check any one, you visit many Arab country’s before you arrived Israel, you add some interesting pictures with you…
So yes you where categorized as a treat you where scan and check, I don’t know nor I understand what the poor laptop did 🙂 but I am sure you will get a new one I am sorry that was your welcome to Israel, and I invite you to contact me if you need any help or info on Israel
Yours
Ilan M.
Hi Ilan,
I live in Australia. I wouldn’t trust one bit of the dross that appears in the main stream Australian press. We too have been involved in historical denialism for a few hundred years and it’s all too obvious from our news-papers and commercial tv channels.
Please try to find some international sources for comparison. The jerusalem post are not really regarded as a reputable news-paper on the world stage. It’s generally regarded as being the Israeli equivalent of the Sun in the UK, and the Telegraph in Australia. In other words, best used to wrap up fried fish.
Regards,
Mike.
Here are some BBC reports for you:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6309029.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3165279.stm
And this one also entered Israel from Egypt:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7225775.stm
Don’t you use Time Machine for backups? 🙂 You seriously should.
You never had the “privilege” to hear the sound of a lost bag exploding in a bus station, the silence afterwards and then the screaming of wounded civilians – school kids, old men, women…. the blood… body parts and more.
An abounded bag is a target for the police bomb squad everywhere around the world. It is a well done job that they shot your silly bag and stupid computer. It could have been a bomb left in a bag as well.
Your respond is childish, ignorant and it is a sure thing that you didn’t understood anything about life in here. I’ll say more since your name sounds Jewish – you are exactly the kind of people that used to be called Jid in Poland. No pride, no legacy and no respect.
This comment from an Israeli friend, who also happens to be an Apple technician of long standing, observed to me: “I was just thinking how similar Israeli border guards are to Apple Geniuses. They’re both so over-trained that they can’t think, and they both destroy Macs. The only real difference is the weapons they use to get the job done.”
That’s what happens after Israel experiences decades of blown up tourist buses, movie theaters, outdoor markets, pizza parlors, cafes, and shopping malls. You’ll please forgive a shot-up laptop, but Israel is sick and tired of Jewish blood being sprayed about the landscape.
Wow, I read about this on gawker… I can’t believe this happened to you. I assume you are jewish by your last name (as am i). This is shocking. I hope they get you another one.
Hi, sweety (Lilysussman’s). Look to those answers, and look to this things, those are your friends and this is what you are:
rob said: “look what those animals have been doing to their hosts, the Palestinians, for years”
Mohammad Ameen said:”I consider you lucky because they didn’t arrested you and toke you to secret prison in Israel to investigate you”;
Golem said:”they can blow up your computer or do whatever else they want.
Why are you surprised?”;
Freitas:”These guys shoot every day at unarmed people, even children”;
Maher said:”Palestine and “Israel”. I’m a Palestinian Muslim who lived in Palestine my whole life and suffered from the occupation on a daily basis”;
Freestyle said:”From Israel, with love.. bullets, blood and tears”
This is an anti-jewish, anti-semmitic and anti-zionist blog. People entering this blog are the anarchists, muslims and anti-semmitics. And you, please, do not even come back to Israel, there are so many beautiful and friendly countries in the region like Lebanon with Nasralla and Haled Mashal from Hamas, Syria with Asad, Yemen, Somalia, Aphganistan and Iran. Go there, take a chance, just keep on your head from a cutting.
P.S. I never liked a Mackbook! Microsoft forever!!!
I am a communist anarchist, an anti-Zionist and an Orthodox Hasidic Jew.
Yes, and I respect Muslims. In fact, the terrorists, whom I despise, are not traditional Muslims, just like so-called “religious Zionists” are not traditional Jews. The most traditional ultra-Orthodox Jewish groups are vehemently anti-Zionist.
You hateful post and the very fact that you compare anarchists to antisemites just shows how stupid you are. Anarchism is a progressive left-wing platform that rejects all forms of nationalism. Ukrainian anarchists were most actively defending the Jews from pogroms during the Russian Civil War. Even the late Lubavitcher Rabbi, undoubtedly a very commited Jew, who was himself a right-winger, praises them in his letters.
BTW, those letters are written in the Jewish language, also known as Yiddish. Can you read Jewish? Most likely not, because Zionism and traditional Jewish culture are diametrically opposed.
P.S. Micro$oft must die! Linux rules forever!
As an Israeli here’s a tip: Leaving your bag unattended will get it blown to pieces by police in 5 minutes and p*ss many people off since the police has to close the street/station.
It happened to many Israelis, the police don’t go and check the bag because it’s too dangerous. A robot picks it up and shoots it with a shotgun, if it explodes it’s a bomb and if it doesn’t it’s your laptop/personal belongings.
Have a nice trip.
So sorry this happened to you, and the fact that they gave no reason is outrageous.
However, I must also say that I am just shocked by all the vitriol in these responses. I would rather not get into a debate about politics, but I must add my 2 cents regarding Israel/Palestine. The country was Israel for thousands of years before the 12 tribes fled into the diaspora. in 2005, I spent 7 glorious weeks in Israel, and aside from the overabundance of Jellyfish, and the heat stroke in Eallot, I had an amazing time. I studied, ate, and drank with Isralies, Arabs, Palistinians, Egyptians, and people from other places as well. I think that as an American Jew, that is saying something. I am just as horrified about some of the things happening there as everyone else, but no one has the right to say some of the terrible things I have seen in these responses unless they have spent an extended time living there. Once again lily, glad that you are ok and wish you the best.
when i visited israel i also witnessed stupidities of equal magnitude. we also visited ( as a church) the neighbouring arab countries.
israel viewed us with such suspicion and paranoia ,
no such problems in rhe neighbouring areab countries
makes you wonder who are more intelligent.
LOL, rednecks.
Happy this has happened to you, you despicable self hating jew.
fuck you,
viva israel.
Klan, can you be my speech writer? Such eloquence!
politics apart, did you check the blog stats….looks like it is going viral……….
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/http%3A%2F%2Flilysussman.wordpress.com?p=&r=
I’m sorry to hear about your laptop.
As an Israeli, I beg you not to think that all Israelis are aggressive and has an itchy trigger…. please understand that this is after living with a constant threat on our head from suicide bombers. Your bag was left unattended, and even though you were instructed to do so, this might have fell through the cracks and maybe another security officer was unaware of the instruction to leave your bag where it was, and he might have thought that the unattended bag had a bomb inside it.
one of my friends lost his leg and hearing when a hamas suicide bomber blew up killing about 20 people… still i don’t think that all Palestinians are terrorists. Don’t think that all Israelis are SOB’s…..
I am so sorry you had such a bad experience, but unfortunately being surrounded by nations that are intent on destroying you these measures are sometimes necessary. Please put your self in the shoes of Israel before making a judgement of the security.
It is sad to hear about your laptop
It is also sad, that even here on the feedback it is easy to see the hippocrates. People have tried to bomb Israelis (and others), and have actually succeeded more than one time.
So, I am sorry about your laptop, and no, it wasn’t a nice thing to do. But I would blowup 10 laptops just to reduced the chance of killing a single human been by even 1% (And I which a suicider would think the same way, don’t you?)
I do hope you had a lovely time in Israel, and that you would take that experience as an adventure and not more.
@Andrew: It really looks pathetic when someone writes about stuff without having a clue. The war in Gaza was the Israeli response after long months of Israelis running DAILY for shelter because of missiles being shot at them (aimed towards schools, homes and kinder gardens). The fact that Israel does not publish (and does not FAKE) pictures of wounded children is something I think is right.
Moreover, Israeli soldiers do not use children as weapons. If it wasn’t for Hammas soldiers hiding in civil areas (and hiding a hell lot of weapons there too), those children would have been alive.
@Muslim: Before the first Israeli settlers came to ISRAEL, there was nothing here but sand and malaria. This is described in several travellers’ books, NOT written by Jews / Israelis. This country was built by Zionists who had a vision of an advanced country in their historic home, and they did it.
@RonC: England never gave anything to the Jews. It was a UN decision, and Britain didn’t vote at all.
@Lilly: I’m sorry, but I think it’s better you’re over checked (though I can’t explain the laptop thing) than the other way around, which would have cost much more than a Mac. The IDF first priority is the safety of the Israeli citizens. I hope you got a better impression from the rest of your visit and still enjoyed yourself.
@Everybody else: After leaving the south of Lebanon, it was taken over by Hezbollah and became a playing ground for terrorists, who started the 2nd Lebanon war. After leaving Gaza, evacuating citizens who lived there many years, it was taken over by the Hammas, who won the elections. One has to wonder: Are the kind of people that vote for Hammas really into peace? I don’t think so.
Malaria (That could infect humans) can only be transmitted (by mosquitoes) from other humans, or from other primates.
So if there was malaria, there were humans. Or possibly the long lost Palestinian gorilla…
Windows 1 – Apple 0
Man, I feel for you. I was in Israel on the birthright trip in 2008. When we were departing JFK for Israel, everyone was whisked through security except for two of us. One girl had a French passport so they gave her the royal hassle and the other girl (me), was the only visibly non-white traveler among the group. At the time, I was heftily annoyed by the inconvenience and had never encountered such overt racial profiling. Now that I’ve read this, I’m a little bit less up in arms about it and really thankful I didn’t have my laptop on me. Best of luck with everything.
This is pure BS. Never happened. Maybe in your frothing anti-zionist conspiracy mind. But this enevr happened. Not sure what drug deal you were in that this occured. But it didn’t happen in the airport. And it didn’t happen at Ben Gurion. I fly in and out of Ben Gurion several times a month. Take a look at the scum posters who’ve commented…. I’m the exception. Proud of yourself, wallowing in this filth?
So she shot up her own MacBook with an Uzi? Denying things doesn’t make them go away. Unless you’re an ostrich.
hey Lilly. Nimrod was sharp in expressing my feelings toward the inexcusable behavioral that you were facing. I wish I could assure you that these guys will face charges or scrutiny. at least your data is saved (sigh indeed).
More than exposing this ugly Israeli face to the world, as an Israeli I hope that this could serve us as means of introspection, and to spark the question of how far are we ready to go under the vague banner of “security”.
I’m in Tel Aviv from January 23 onwards by the way, and I’ll love to stay in touch and hear, some better news, hopefully.
all best,
They were right ..Apple is gay
Your anger is understandable. But in my point of view, you are not telling the whole story. Why are you omitting other parts of the story is beyond my comprehension.
As for now, there’s a bigger plot.
If I’m wrong and you did tell the whole story, then I apologize.
Why do you complain? If I would go in Irak and local police will find on my laptop picture “Fuck Allah” just guess what happend to me….
Your story is all over the news in Israel and people are quite surprise of the strange measures that were taken. As I know my country and the power of the media the person responsible will be judged by his superiors and regulations will refresh.
As for proportions I believe you lack a few… if this would happened i an totalitarian Arab country (all of them by the way) I’m not really sure that you would have gotten a replacement laptop (well the truth is that you probably would not write anything about it and just thank god your alive).
I wish you a fun trip in Israel, enjoy tel-aviv probably the best city in the world, don’t let anyone take you to “mike’s place it’s a shitty place but tourists like it (proportions by the way –
http://www.jweekly.com/article/full/20444/tel-aviv-bar-and-bomb-target-slowly-getting-its-groove-back/
Check Florentin
http://www.telavivguide.net/Attractions/Neighborhoods/Tel_Aviv_Florentine_Neighborhood_20051127217/
Regards,
Isaac
Sorry to hear about your laptop however there were too many cases in the past where a western girl was used by her arab boyfriend to bring a bomb into a plane or into Israel…It is nothing against you personnaly which of course you understand… When I travel in US and see paraplegic people going thru security in US where they make them stand and search thru their things and take their water from them… this does not make sense to me…
What A tragedy ! NOT
“I went inside to check on my bag. I had left it unattended, where they instructed. It was still there so I went back outside.”
Get a life – You forgot your computer and left it UNATTENDED as you mentioned- “Suspicious objects” get shots in every place around the globe!
The mere concept of countries creates nothing but bravado filled individuals prepared to strive and fight and die for their sovereignty. What makes one person any different from another? They simply live on another side of a line on a map. Over the Fence. Beyond The wall.
They’re human beings, just like you or I. Exactly the same as the boarder guards who shot up this laptop, exactly the same as the person who announced it over the PA, and those who detained Laurel Harig, or strip searched her, or those described in her literature so scrutinized by said guards. Identical to those who strap bombs to themselves and rush the boarder, and cause reasoning for such security.
We are all the same. We all deserve the same respect.
You’re famous! http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3820397,00.html
..and sorry for your laptop, as I understood you left it unsupervised and they took it as a suspected item.
and enjoy here in Israel!
Hahaha jew.
Hi Lilly.
Sorry about your laptop.
I’m Israeli and unfortunately these things can (seldom) happen. Please consider yourself another”victim” of the conflict.
My mother is is Jewish and was born in Iraq and her family had to leave the country as refugees leaving all their belongings and property there- the reason was that the Jewish state of Israel was founded and now they were no longer welcome in a country they used to live in for hundreds of years. So they are also 48′ refugees- not only a Palastenina issue. My mother’s family found new roots in Israel and never looked back -well the irony is that Palestinians live now in their Iraqi property.
Anyways, I used to live in the US and whenever my mother would fly over for a visit she would go through the most humiliating questioning by the US immigration officers and all because her passport says she was born in Iraq. Never mind she over 60 yo and hardly speaks Arabic. To make things worse the US employs Arabic speaking Palestinians to interpret and one of them questioned my mother (who doesn’t speak Arabic-again) in the most unwelcoming way- surely a small way for him to abuse an Israeli through his US position- even if that’s an old grandma visiting her kids.
So, Ms. Lily as much as I’m sorry about your laptop, try to look back and see how you country treats other people.
You can continue your pretentious rebellion from your spoiled position. why aren’t you visiting all the innocent victims in Iraq and Afghanistan that your government is creating? Safer to do from the democratic country of Israel I guess.
Also, since I guess you’re Jewish, I hope that one day your Muslim friends and Neo-Nazis from back home won’t turn against you and then you’ll come running to these tough 18 yo security guards to save you – Holocaust remember – never again.
I guess they didn’t like Macs and I can’t blame them. Stupid Fisher-Price hardware.
Well you did write “went inside to check on my bag. I had left it unattended”
As you man or may not know. In Israel many times unattended bags turned up to be bombs that killed people. That is why we have strict procedures for handling situations such as these. The exact same thing also happens to Israeli civilians who leave their bags unattended
and if you are asking yourself who are the people that place bombs in busses and coffee shops you can take a look at your Arab/Muslim friends. From reading the responses for this blog-post I just realized (again) how blind are Muslims and their supporters to the world around them. They don’t remember more than 1000 civilians killed at bars/schools/streets/coffee-shops/temples by Muslim suicide bombers and other terrorists.
Wow, it pains so much to see this Mac shot through, but like everybody here said – glad to hear the HD has survived.
This is infuriating! I just saw the article in “The Marker”, it was amazing how all the responses there were negative, as if you’re some sort of criminal who deserved it. How quick they judge, if security did it, they must have had a reason.. NOT!
I’ve heard from an Arab friend how much they bug him at airports and invade his privacy about *vacations* in Sinai..He deals with that much more coolly than I ever would. I can only imagine how they did the same to you with their invasive questions. Everything that has a little to do with Muslims or Palestinians “loving” is treated very badly here. You seem to be taking it in a rather amused way.
This has to make headlines! to show the world how crazy and paranoid Israelis have become! In the place where they shoot laptops, they are *already shooting* human beings, already kicking them out of their homes.
“Any society that gives up a little privacy to gain a little security, deserves neither and will lose both” — Benjamin Franklin.
Anyway, enough of my politics here. I hope you will get a replacement laptop soon, and that indeed, all your data will be recoverable. By the way, I wouldn’t recommend Macbook air 🙂 It’s not that strong.
Happy Christmas & Hanuka, despite everything,
HL.
The bullets went right through both parts of the laptop, they didn’t even try to open it!
I am glad that “rob” is not on my side 🙂
The palestinians are no hosts to no one. They did not even exist as a nation until 60-70 years ago since most of them are immigrants from the rest of the middle east that came to Israel after it was being re-populated by Jews and bloomed.
I am not surprised at all that you reffer to Israelies as animals. This was what Gebles (the propaganda minister or adolf hitler) did in order to in-humanize jews before the nazis started killing them
It is unfortunate what they did to your laptop.
It is more unfortunate that you are so clueless and insensitive regarding the situation.
WHo blew up a busload of Israeli kids? If Palestinian suffering is a 10 on your list, then what is holocaust suffering? Have you seen many Jews exploding themselves in German restaurants? Have you?
So please hun you are young, it is easy to judge. I was once seriouslyhumiliated by Egyptian border officers all while I was running high fever and very sick. Yes human rights are an issue in Israel but look around, you could fit a profile of the enemy accomplice. Btw, human right is the Arab world are close to zero. So shake up hun.
Save that laptop, and get a frame shop to put it in a shadowbox. It’s a fantastic art piece now, and a sad commentary on the world.
What do you expect from a people who have been bombed, blown up, shot at, attacked and killed on a daily basis? That is what Israelis have endured. Of course they are suspicious. Of course they have no patience. If the people who had to take their sick to an israeli hospital in the early days hadn’t smuggled bombs in the ‘patients’ pyjamas these types of precautions would not be necessary.
Most of you are so full of hate for Israel, you are blinded by your vitriol. That’s OK. Every empire in history that has tried to eliminate the Jews are now dust, but that little band of Jews is still here. Nice to see they are annoying the snot out of you.
This is what I think happend: they told you to leave the bag with the laptop. They didn’t tell anyone about it. Then Somebody else saw the bag. Unattended bags are suspected of being explosives and are bombed. Before explodding, they announce about the unattended bag, so the owner would show up. You were questioned and didn’t hear them announce it. Then they heard the glass break – of your laptop and realized it was a laptop. It is quite sad, but I don’t think they meant it. Hopefully you’d manage to get the compensation.
Disclaimer: I’m an Israeli. [Somewhat tempted to end here and watch the kneejerk flames, but anyway…]
Just wanted to say two things:
First, Rinat put it best – I’m pissed and ashamed. This should not have happened, period. Unfortunately you now have one heck of a bureaucracy to navigate if you want any kind of compensation, because “security” is a free pass do to all kinds of shit in this country.
Second, however tempting the leap over to hate speech and hype may be (“These guys shoot every day at unarmed people” etc)… Please, please don’t. There are two sides to this conflict, and fewer saints in it than both sides would have you believe.
I’m not a bit surprised.
In 2008, I lived in Israel teaching English to Palestinians and studying Arabic. I had Syrian stamps in my American passport. I am an American Caucasian Republican who has always supported Israel to the hilt. However, my mistake was the cardinal sin of associating with Palestinians, having an English-Arabic dictionary in my suitcase, an English-Arabic Koran (I’ve read most of it now), a map of the West Bank with all the checkpoints and settlements marked (which some shrill Palestinian advocacy org gave me and I only kept because it was a map of the West Bank, not because I was going to go home and talk about how evil the checkpoints or settlements were), and I had lots of pictures (they made me boot my laptop and show them pictures because I had already wiped my memory cards) of Palestinians, Dome of the Rock, etc. I’m a professional photographer with lots of equipment, so they probably pegged me as a propaganda photographer.
I’ve gone through the King Hussein bridge, Eilat, and Ben Gurion twice (I had to keep doing visa runs as I was there on a tourist visa). Ilhamidilla, the last time I entered the country (which was a mere 9 days before I was scheduled to go back to the US) was the time they finally told me: you only have a 10 day visa and have to get out of the country.
I never went through immigration without a minimum 4 hour ordeal. Usually it was 6. They always tore apart my suitcase and grilled me for hours. The most fun I had was going through Eilat with a particularly belligerent lady officer: after she had tore my neatly packed camera bag apart with its many little accessories and lenses and had moved on to my suitcase, I quietly began to clean up after her, putting stuff back. She barked at me, “What are you doing!?? Don’t touch that!” “I just was putting it back. I know where it all goes. You can put it all back if you prefer.” Another officer cut off her belligerent reply with, “Go ahead, pack it.” After they were done grilling me in their typical abrasive fashion, I thanked them for working so hard to keep us safe from terrorists. It flustered them so badly that I would respond lovingly (In the Injeel, Isa commanded us to love our enemies.) to them after they had treated me so rudely, they forgot to stamp my pass certifying that I had passed through security. When I got to the next station in the immigrations process, they had to send me back to get the stamp. When I went back to get it, the security officer who had been involved in my searching/grilling apologized profusely for both the security process and forgetting the stamp.
Another time, when going through Ben Gurion, I was already well seasoned in how to truthfully answer Israeli questions without raising their suspicions. I got a young, inexperienced lady initial interrogator. I skillfully (*ahem*) redirected her questions with bubbly, touristy answers and she gave me a low security risk grade. I was elated! Unfortunately, all my camera equipment in the XRay made the possibility of a bomb which caused the XRay operator to flag me for manual inspection. The supervisor in charge of further inspections took one look at my passport (which the rookie had looked at without paying much attention–I have 10s of stamps in it) and flew off the handle. He asked me what idiot had initially questioned me (and given me such a low security grade) and he stormed over there and gave her a tongue-lashing in Hebrew, apparently for letting such an obvious terrorist through with such a low security grade. He then calmed down and grilled her for a while about my answers to the standard questions to compare her story with mine and by her expression, she couldn’t remember much, which was deliberate on my part. So they thoroughly tore apart every bit of my suitcase and carryons. The supervisor had two younger assistants helping him. I remained very helpful and polite throughout the process despite the belligerent questions and total incredulity at each and every answer I gave. Toward the end of the process, the younger lady assistant was getting very embarrassed and sympathetic. At one point in the searching process, the loudspeaker blared simultaneously with all the security guys’ radios, first in Hebrew then English, “Security Breach in area 5.” My supervisor guy took off through the crowded airport at a dead run hand on his hips, gun flap unsnapped. All across the terminal senior security guys and even a few young fit “passengers” in plain clothes were converging on a central point in the back of the terminal. A few minutes later the supervisor came back and muttered, “False alarm.”
My roomate, an American friend who was also living in Israel working for a humanitarian aid organization had his laptop literally blown apart on the Egypt crossing while I was there. They were XRaying his bag and all of sudden dropped it, yelled for everyone to clear out, stand back, all the security guys ran for cover, ducking behind stuff. They brought a robot out with a shotgun attached and shredded it multiple times at point-blank range. Bye, bye laptop.
All I have to say to you, Lily, is “Be glad they used a hand gun or rifle rather than a robot-armed shotgun!” He didn’t even bother collecting the leftover shreds of his laptop bag and laptop.
No matter how inconvenient and nasty they are, I always try to show them Isa/Jesus’ love to them. (The Koran says “Isa kalimaat Allah, w ruh Allah.” (Jesus is the word of God and the spirit of God) and that the Injeel is the Word of God, thus I think all Muslims should read the Injeel. As the Koran says, “Allahu akbar, God’s Word cannot be changed by men.” The idea that men can corrupt the word of God is haram and blasphemy! So I follow the commands of Isa (kalimaat Allah, w ruh Allah) when he says in the Injeel that I should love my enemies.) Not only have I found that to smooth my way, but maybe it smoothed the way for someone else. Also, more importantly, a number of consciences were pricked. Hopefully Allah can use that to draw them to Himself.
So, Salaamtak, Lily. Allah y’salmuk (God bless you) w nushkur Allah (Thank God) for keeping you and your data safe, despite the Israeli’s best efforts.
Dear talkback people – Israel does not welcome people that are coming to help Palestinian terrorists and act against it. So does other countries – USA, France, Russia, Holand.
just as an anecdote – if you would come to Egypt to mind their business you will find yourself in jail (if you are lucky).
Jalal, I have been to Egypt, in peace, but not to Israel. Now I doubt I ever will.
Man it didn’t take long for my critical comment to get censored. Figures. But hey, I still linked you to my site. Sue me over it. Please. Really, sue me.
If they thought it was a bomb or something what good would shooting it do? Wouldn’t that just detonate it?
Seems silly to me, glad you didn’t lose anything.
I suggest that you check what sort of treatment foreigners get when entreating your country. If you were an Israeli or Arab woman your age, I dought that you would get a visa to the US.
Security was checking you for a reason, I guess that it’s the same reason that made you write this blog post.
You Americans prevent people from the entire world to enter your country and then expect that everybody else will welcome you. Spend a day with the security ppl in one of the US major airports, see what sort of s**t Arabs, Indians and other “non whites” have to deal with when entering the US , I bet you’ll have lots to write aobut.
Lily,
The ruined images of your laptop are devastating especially horrifying because they make one remember what happened to the young American woman, Rachel Corrie after being crushed under and Israeli military bulldozer.
That is a very good point. A nutjob activist standing in the way of a huge bulldozer is quite similar to a perfectly innocent macbook.
I too am devastated and find the images horrifying.
I hope I can recover from these horrible images. I think I have PTSD.
… please!
But why did the destroy this wonderful machine to begin with???
Looks like they missed the Hard drive. Back-up, Back-up, Back-up! Drop box is handy too. 🙂 Good luck getting a new ‘puter.
Cut the crap, Lily left her bag UNATTENDED.
In a country where terrorists ravage its civilians with bombs, hidden in bags or any other potentially bomb carrying receptacles – extreme measures become everyday life.
The procedure is as follows: Unattended bags are reported to the authorities immediately (they teach Israelis to spot such threats at the age of 6) , you get your ass out of there, wait for the bomb squad, which in most cases is an armed robot. (see it in action in most probably very similar circumstances http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-Kvp3cQ8Gc&feature=related) The robot grabs it, moves it around in attempt to detonate the threat, and finally shoots the hell out of it to make sure not one soul in Israel will be put at risk, even at the cost of a shiny macbook.
It had nothing to do with your interrogation, which is standard procedure for any foreigner traveling through Arab states and then wishes to enter Israel. It’s understandable that the world would forget such ‘trivial’ things as this – http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1075211,00.html but Israeli lives depend on these measures.
I’m sorry to be a downer on your personal blog, but you have to be mature about this and not use inaccurate facts to leverage other agendas, or be a stage for such false leveraging.
Thank you.
Concerned global citizen.
I did not leave my bag unattended…
Hey Lily,
I read all that you wrote, I want to start in apologizing about the experience, I’m an Israeli citizen, age 24, served 4 years as an officer in the army I volunteered in the Jewish Agency in Jewish summer camp in New York (archery instructor), I want to say that your first impression is totally wrong and I apologize for how things happened but You have to understand. We live in a reality that don’t allows us otherwise, everything must be examined not because we want to, but because it is necessary, we prefer to invest the money in education and in the country and in the Palestinian Authority to make things better there, and the soldiers – kids in the age of 18 going to army instead of college but we can’t , because only violence and violence around us and a lot of people don’t want us here not because we took their land or something like that (This assumption is wrong) but because this what they grow up on and if we not make those checks hundreds of Israelis will die ‘like those hundreds of Israelis who died in years past, our army is one of the most humanitarian in the world (I know it in first hand), Instead of bombing from above as they doing in Iraq ,soldier are entering on foot just to make sure that we really cache only the bad peoples, And not as written in the responses, we do not just shoot people, the people who think that making a big and Unjustified mistake, all we want is peace.
I hope I Succeeded in explain what happened to you, and I hope you enjoying these moments from a real Israeli hospitality
I recently went to Israel too and then visited my relatives in the Occupied West Bank. First time there since I was a baby. It’s hard to explain to my friends in the USA what it is like there. It really is a place of severe contrasts. Such beauty and hospitality on one end and a repressive state on the other. I noticed that both Jews and Arabs visiting Israel and Palestine respectively were put through quite a tough security process.
It became clear to me that security there is trying to filter out anyone that doesn’t support zionism. A jewish film maker was denied entry while I waited close to 4 hours and through multiple interviews. So even as a jew, security acts more on your political beliefs than on your heritage.
I’m back in the USA, with my friends who have so many different beliefs and political affiliations. We like each other, we disagree on some and on many things. But, in the end my humanity is more important to me than some hateful beliefs. I hope all my friends and my fellow jews put love of people ahead of hateful political beliefs.
You should send the photos and story to the manufacturer. They might be willing to give you a new laptop.
I can understand why the security at the border blew up your stuff and questioned you for hours. You fit the profile of a westerner turned jihadist martyr. You see, here in Israel, we have no problem profiling people based on their background or race. We just don’t give a damn if we suspect you might have bad intentions. It was a nice MacBook Pro though… 😛
Oh, and by the way – please go away from our country. You are not welcome here. Bye bye!
50-50 chance guys like you make (or already made) yerida first chance you get
Dear Lilly,
So, how was the rest of your stay in the Holy Land? 🙂 Seriously, this was truly outrageous. When you return to the States, please make appointments to see your Congressional rep and Senator and personally tell them your story. American citizens who travel there are increasingly having troubles like these, especially Arabs/Palestinians. Unless people like you “make some noise,” it may get worse. Considering the billions of aid given to Israel from our tax dollars, there should be some assurance of having our basic rights protected when traveling there!
Take care!
Just more proof of Microsoft’s secret funding of the Zionist Entity, I assure you, had it been a Microsoft compatible machine you would have already been on your way.
can i buy this laptop please
ah this is moderated great
my email is mukuta@gmail.com
i was in a moshav 2 years , netiv hagdud near yericho
i would like to buy your laptop please
Those security guys were apparently trigger-happy teenagers. I think Israel should invest a little more in their training. Nevertheless, their job is extremely important, as they are literally stopping terrorist. I am sure you will be compensated, but judging from the fact you are still there, I am imagining this is still a nice place for a vacation.
Ah, the blissful innocence of the adolescent, it truly is an enchanting sight. Yet, susceptible to adverse assumptions that could possibly affect your sunny western liberal disposition.
One can not make the dreadful decision to enter an Israeli land border crossing, with the contents you mentioned — though not contraband, it would certainly tingle Israeli ‘spidey senses’ — and compound your taxing experience with the fatal(RIP laptop) faux pas your lack of situation awareness yielded, when you left a bag unattended. This is worrisome.
Glad your HHD was intact… seems like your a sweet wonderful young woman. Albeit naive.
Now, sincerely, with true heartfelt appeal. Be extremely alert… sharp, have your situation awareness at the maximum when traveling/living in Arabic countries.
Man, it’s a pity you had a mac instead of a toughbook (http://www.panasonic.com/business/Toughbook/fully-rugged-computers.asp) i’m sure the bullets would have bounced right off.
As an Israeli, I would like to apologize for this. My country is currently in an insane state, and there are a few of us trying to fix that. It is a tedious job, and I hope such occurrences will not happen again.
i wonder how many innocent lives are saved by this kind of “overreaction”?
Sounds very odd.
well, in a place were pregnant women are stabbing soldiers and ambulances are carrying suicide bombers- what can you expect?
live in their reality and think again dear.
wish you the best.
the guards knew exactly what they were doing…
you can write your story anyway you want, but there is more to this!!
and makes no diference how old the soldiers are, they are well trained! why don’t you write that the 18 year old soldiers are well trained to confront a 5 year old Hamas boy with an explosive on his body?!!
I guess, an american with so much connections to arabs is prob what triggered the alarm, and everything is justified in this mad world! they have to protect themselves!!!
This doesn’t serve any purpose other then to intimidate! This was absolute appalling and in no way would effect the national security of that nation. I do not know of the laws of that country. I would think if the device or contents of the device were deemed a threat. They should have done more to preserve and investigate it!
It was purely an act of intimidation.
The Laptop doesn’t matter – the data does. You HAVE to have a backup of your work.. there’s no excuse. $100 gets you a portable $500gig backup. Do it!
Carbon Copy Cloner App.. Free!
First of all, Lily, sorry to hear about that.
Second of all, what the fuck are these racists comments here?
I am so disturbed/shocked with Anti-Israeli comments on here… That’s fucked up!!!
Israel security are very serious so you guys gotta understand why its very serious cause of these terrorism like you who wants to kill Jews and so on.
Stop hating towards Jews, its bad for your hearts you know that.
Lily, you should delete these racism comments. Its not totally cool and its sicko unless your self hating Jew.
Greetings from Tonga and Samoa.
P.s Most of us in Tonga/Samoa, stands with Israel ever. We are proudly to be strong supporters of the State of Israel and fighting against terrorists and racists like you guys.
Thats really fucked up!!!
It’s not the jews that we hate. It’s zionists.
wow! i cant believe it! but wouldnt you think they have better things to do rather than shooting laptops???
prob. you gave them a suspicious indication… i know many people of different ages who travel to Israel and no one got a bullet in his/her things….
i’m sure they were worried and they didnt want to take a chance (yes.. at the cost of your laptop) believe me, they think about the bad publicity- like everyone- before they do something so extreme…
good travels- and dont go to israel with a stamp from Syria on your passport. (it’s considered an enemy state..)
peace and love
jay
England
When you try to dissent in Arab and Muslim countries they will usually impriosn you, or perhaps beat or kill you. Israel which faces real terrorist threats allows for dissent. With all due respect your laptop is not all that important if a true threat was perceived.
Those who claim that Israel is “occupied Palestine” are history-deniers who deny that the Jews always have lived in Israel to at least some extent, there were two previous Jewish States, there was never a Palestinian State, and Jews have always aspired to return and re-establish a Jewish State.
Terrorists-eat your heart out.
My question for you is are you even a Jew? If so, why be so anti-Israel? Don’t you understand when the proverbial shit hits the fan it’s the one place we can go and know we are safe? Second, why carry around so many arabic phrase books, and a detailed map of a Jerusalem street without assuming you will look suspicious? Third, there are two sides to every story. Aside from your photos and pro-Palestinian articles, what did you say to them?
makes it easy to sympathize with Al Fatah and Hamas
wow – destruction of a mac makes it easy to sympathize with Al Fatah and Hamas?
ARE YOU SERIOUS??????
Sorry for that incident. I’m from Israel, and i hope this laptop craziness wont ruin the rest of your trip…
And I really hope you’ll get a replacement asap.
By the way, if you didnt know, you are now famous in Israel:
http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3820397,00.html
judging from your views on Israel and ‘evilz ionists’ you got exactly what you deserved
we don’t know what exactly happened, we only have your words, which I will take witha grain of salt
also, by looking at your comments, i must ask myself again and again.. why are leftists jews like yourself such masochistic lemmings? dont you realize that you give commfort to the enemy? well look at your comments and be sure that your story will be repriunted in many more anti-Israel and anti-semitic medias
good job, lily sussman!
Aarrrrrgh I feel so sorry for the Mac.
And you… Lily, should not keep luggage unattended. This way precious Macs will not get destroyed.
What kind of bullets, caliber, did they shoot to make those holes?
You’re an idiot what did you expect? You could have been a muslim/terrorist for all they knew. Look where you were at.. I wish we would do that to anti-semites and ALL arabs/terrorists coming to America. No muslim country is a democracy. Israel is the only democracy in the middle east. Not one jew has ever blown himself up.Look at all the land the ragheads have and they can’t quit bullying little Israel. Muslims are responsible for 100% of terrroist acts in the world and you are complaining because you got your laptop shot up…lucky they didn’t shoot your muzzie loving @ss.
ISRAELI SECURITY ARE TOTAL IDIOTS!!!!!
if someone complains, I will sure write my story of going transit!!!!! through their airport….
Like you know something about security.
I don’t remember when was the last i saw YOU standing on a cross-board when on the other side..
uh.. what the point!
Sorry Den. Israeli Security personnel are far from being “idiots.” They may make unpopular decisions and they may not always be right with the decisions they make, but they run circles around every other nation’s border security on the planet. They have to.
Well, “nice” to know that there are border security guards even worse than our U.S. TSA folks. Not to say that any form of abuse-of-power at borders is ok.
Also, if there is a more vivid example of why you should have good backups, I’ve never seen it.
Hey Lily, don’t feel so special. I’m Israeli and the cops broke into my car once because it was “suspicious” and they did about $300 in damage and left it totally trashed on the inside. I went to the police station and yelled at them (in Hebrew) for about 15 minutes explaining how they were not just incompetent, but stupid too. They drank coffee and made moronic lame comments in return saying how busy they were that they had to run to another call which is why they left the car trashed. Which is why they were sitting there drinking coffee 1/2 hour later…
However, the one guy who I could tell was responsible wouldn’t look at me and kept his mouth shut. Dunno if I got through to him or not.
The property tax office only gave me $100 on the repair bill because the car was used, even though I had to buy a new part for it. So I was out of pocket 200 bucks for the honor of having my car broken into and luggage spilled all over.
Welcome to the muddle east. My guess is that getting your laptop shot will be the highlight of the trip here, and the rest will be relatively pleasant sightseeing interspersed with rabid debates with people who try to convince you their opinion is the real one that counts(!).
I read through the reactions and, alas, most of them are overly black or white. Or – rather – blackening and whitening.
The standard operating procedure at Israel’s borders (whether by the border police or by the general security service) has always been, alas, invasive, demeaning and segregationist, in Israel. Both towards SIC’s (Standard Israeli Citizens), doubly so toward SSIC (Sub-SIC’s, like Ethiopian Jews, etc), quadruply so towards leftist rif-raf who are nevertheless bear surface resemblance to humans (i.e. SIC’s) and eightfold or more towards the REAL undesirables like (quoting George Carlin here, imagine a string of racial slurs) and fivefold of THAT towards Arabs of any extraction.
It does not help that the standard personnel intake of the border police is usually not people who would pass any test that was devised for Washaw and her ilk.
However, your mistake, in my opinion, was that you did not “delouse” yourself of things our brave lice-catchers seek and that you deigned to give bestow your attention upon them in a way that pandered to their well-earned inferiorities. They are beneath you and they do need to feel your disdain while finding very little to pin their intrinsic dislike on. Let them know that you know what kind of invertebrate they are but in a very polite and pleasant way. That makes them feel even more impotent.
Cheerio
Marc
To all –
Jews were in the Land of Israel before the Muslim religion even exsisted.
Thank you and have a good life
Canaanites were in Canaan before the Jews existed. Go ahead and check your bible…it’s all there. Point is, you’ll get nowhere with this argument; never mind that it doesn’t deal with the fact that there an almost equal number of Arabs living in Israel+Palestine as there are Jews!
What about Zoroastrianism? Ahura Mazda for ever!
It’s obvious that this action is yet another attempt by my friend Bill to scare people off using Apple. This man will stop at nothing!
It more than sucks for this to have happened… I feel the same way when I am in an American airport and I have to open my luggage and go through my items (and yes it did happen). On the bright side, with the conflict and the terrorism that has taken over in israel and the world, we might as well be safe than sorry!
This is the reality in israel- where in every area you will enter, you will be checked. These security measures are there because there is no other choice.
So like I said, it definitely sucks..and I would be more than annoyed if it were to happen to me, but at least you know every measure is being taken so that no unnecessary attacks will occur. I rather it be a laptop than a person.
L
I was shocked to hear what these goons did.
AFAIK if you go to Israel, you need to remove traces from previous visit’s to UAE (stickers, passport stamps, …). When you go to UAE, you need to remove traces from previous visit’s to Israel. Otherwise you always get harassed at the border.
But shooting at a laptop is ridiculous and I would think the law is on your side.
I don’t think I am going to visit Israel anytime soon after reading this though!
It’s a true comment on their incompetence. Not only did they not find the explosives cleverly disguised as a scarf, but they used the wrong method to render a possible explosive, inert.
Bullets will NOT detonate explosives. They deliver far to little energy.
You should look into suing them for their incompetence and disregard for public safety in their disposal methods, and probable disregard for proper procedure.
Dear Lily
Did you tell people how you respond there? Some curse ……?
And your lack of cooperation.
I want to see what would happen if someone came to your country without cooperation with cop
His file registered Fack AMERICA and maps of important places on the map in the country.
I suggest you visit Tehran or Saudi Arabia along with all your friends from this blog
Leave us alone
Another American girl who dont understands her life
Welcome to the Occupied Palestine…….
To hear about Israelis on press is one issue and to meet them is totally different……………
We are suffering on daily bases
so what is the deal? all unattended luggage is to be destroyed, not only in israel. it works just fine for US airports too.
were you born just yesterday?
Yes, the Arabs blow up people and the Israeli’s blow up laptops to prevent Arab’s from blowing up people. I wonder which one makes more sense?
So bitch what have you been up to that the Israel has you on some kind of watch list. Why don’t you tell the whole fucking truth.
Is this known as small penis syndrome?
….there’s an app for that!
holy FUCK!!!
WTF!!!! This is entirely insane…. I wonder how you could be so calm…!
Unfortunately this is what religion does… When uncivilized people live in a fairytale..
Hi Leon,
Apparently you are not aware of the threats posed on Israel. Many times our soldiers prevent terrorists from blowing up public areas when they leave items unattended. It can be anything innocent looking as a peice of luggage to a cellphone. We are not uncivilized and don’t think that you are better than us or anyone else because they believe in something that you do not. If you want to know more about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, may I suggest that you read a few books before you make blatently ignorant remarks.
Have a happy holiday,
Tamar
They just shot your laptop. Imagine how your laptop would have looked if you had encountered a suicide bomber. it is so easy to hate the Israelies from your safe countries. You have no idea what it means to live here and raise children here, on both sides of the fence, but it is so easy to talk.
Woman crosses into Israel from Arab country, having made several stops in hostile countries prior to arrival, cannot explain what her connection to Israel is, and is carrying hand-written maps indicating crowded public places in central Jerusalem. All of these are potential red flags. And taken together they definitely raise questions. (Mental exercise: A woman enters Israel and *does* commit an act of terror; the screener is later revealed to have ignored the above warning signs. You think that dude would still have a job?). The moral is: you can never be too careful.
Ella has the best post in this thread. All these armchair Israel haters in here ignore both the true history of Israel’s founding and its recent armed conflicts, as well as the everyday security concerns with which Israel grapples. I thank the Lord you herbs are running your mouths in internet chatrooms and not actually deciding things in the real world.
Lily: Sorry for the loss of your laptop but it sounds like you’ll get reimbursed. And yes it may take a while because Israel’s bureaucracy is notorious. If you’re still in Israel check out http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/travel/TravelHP.jhtml for some suggestions of what to see/do.
This is one for the Bizzaro books!
What did you do to acquire such bad karma like this?
If this had happened in any other country, with the possible exception of the United States, it would be chalked up to bureaucratic incompetence. But no, one mention of the word “Israel”, and every Neanderthal anti-Semite breaks out their laptop and spews their hate.
First thing sorry to hear about your pc, pardon mac.
Second, just to inform you, your statement after the inccident as was published in “the marker” was “no wonder they shoot Palestinians” is fony.
As an ex I.D.F soldier i must insist that we are the most ethical army in the whole world.
we’re being critizicized by who? The u.s ? Vietnam, Cambodia? ring the bell ?
The Turkish people who commit the biggest Genocide after the Holocust in witch more than 1 million inocent Armenian were sluttered and brutally raped?
The Belgiums? Congo (Zair) ?
Antisemetic from around the world that you’ve just given tham another excuse and a so called “proof” for their ignorance?
Come on give me a break, if there is one thing i’ve learned through my journeys around the world is that the ones witch are criticizing others by making a comprehensive induction are the foniest and the raciest people ever.
my honest condolences for your loss, surely you’ll get a compensation and please do not ever forget that a computer is not a person, it can be replaced.
enjoy your stay in israel and take care.
Contradiction in terms: “ethical army”
You are sharmuta
I personaly shoot all macBooks i see so i’m not really suprised
Glad you left that border in 1 piece with only the lap top in serious need of a replacement. By the way most people here would not know that but this is normal practice in the ‘only democracy in the Middle East’. If you happen to be an Arab or perceived to have Arab connection then you are fair game. The hassle you, intimidate you and go our of their way to make you feel uncomfortable. The best response is to look the bastards in the eye with contempt and make them feel like cretins. Its really what they are..Just some sad parasites..
Sorry for your loss…
But in a country like israel, where abandon bags usually blowup, and kill people – there is no other way.
your macbook wasn’t shot for fun… and by the three holes in it i assume that they use the robot to “disarm” the unidentified object.
sorry that were not Switzerland, but in here you should keep an eye on your stuff…
oh. we also don’t shot people just for fun you know…
still, try to enjoy your trip and if you need to translate the address or any direction to the place that should compensate you, feel free contact.
good job!
im a PC 😉
Well,
routine checks in border posts are common all over the world. When I entered the USA, every time I was taken to a “random” check, where I was almost striped, the security men went through all my stuff, including my personal notebooks, calendar and laptop.
I believe there was a mistake with asking you to leave your stuff behind and the fact that it was then treated as suspicious was the result. They should offer refund and compensations.
However, try to look back and remember when did all the security measures started (in airports for example)? In the 70’s, many air plains targeted by terror groups (sorry freedom fighters). then we all remember 9-11, 20 freedom fighters did it again.
The human memory is very short, and as Einstein said: “Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about the the universe”. There is a cause to everything that is happening – just lift your head and think for yourself, what is the cause and what is the result!
Thank God, they killed a Mac! I’d cry if it were a Windows laptop.
Hi
I live in Israel, and feel very sorry about what happened to you.
just a little technical explanation –
Firing shots at some suspicious object is standard procedure (performed by a robot btw) in case an object is considered suspicious and presumably explosive).
I have no idea why they thought your laptop was suspicious.. and the fact that your drive was saved is pure luck btw. this is a really weird story. People working at border controls get freaked out sometimes, and, yes, Israel is a crazy place, usually.
Anyway, if you have a problem with getting your refund, or need any assistance in that please feel free to e-mail me, and I’ll gladly try to assist.
Blowing up a bomb? Are they silly? Yes, they’re! Is there a so little education? I don’t know, but it’s unbelieveble
hahahahah it’s hilarious how the only concern you idiots have is “backup”.
So if they randomly choose to sticky up a pole trhu your asshole you would just say “bring some lube when coming here”?
Just food for thought – If you ever saw the devastation of a terrorist bombing you’d realize how seriously Israel takes bomb threats (just google video: Israel bus bombing). I’d imagine every city in Israel has 10 “forgotten pieces of luggage” blown up every day. I’d also imagine at least once a day one of them is actually a bomb.
Did you know that Israel spends 35- 40 % of its GDP on security? We’re the most targeted country & people in the world. You know how much it sucks when your trip is delayed by an hour because some idiot forgot their bag?
Laptops are often used to hide explosives (why do you think airports require a separate x-ray for them, and sometimes even ask you to turn it on?). A mistake was probably made and your laptop was considered a bomb threat. Wouldn’t you agree that the potential loss of life outweighs the loss of your laptop (which as you said you will be getting a new one)? Regardless of whether it was mistakenly/wrongly determined to be a threat?
We Israelie’s live under crazy pressure and security issues all the time. I think we’re entitled to make tiny mistakes every now and then. Because our mistakes either cost you your laptop or will cost someone their life. Your choice.
I have no doubt my comment will bring many who will claim Israel is terrible in more ways than you can count. Just try this – speak to average Israelies and ask them what they want in life. I’d imagine the same as you. Ask them if they just want to live, prosper and be happy like everyone else. If you ask Arabs the same, they ALWAYS mention the conflict. Strange, no? We want win-win. They want win-lose. How do you make peace w/ those who always want win-lose?
“We’re the most targeted country & people in the world”
You may wish to tell the Afghans about that.
fuck you!!!!!!! Antisemitism!
You are very naive and that’s cute. But if you knew anything about border security and suicide bombers, you’d understand they had every reason to shoot your laptop. Let me explain.
First of all the pictures you describe clearly show you’ve been interested in their local conflict with the palestinians. Seeing that you have a “guidebook” for palestinians in Israel, a hand-drawn bus line map with a hotel on it, even I would suspect you. That’s EXACTLY how suicide bombers work. The security forces speculated that you might have been sent by a palestinian to harm Jews in Israel. That happens all the time, sadly. They also suspected that explosives were planted in your mac (perhaps without you even knowing) and THAT happens every day damnit.
All in all there are hundreds of real suicide bombers every week trying to penetrate Israel and blow people up like in Iraq or Afghanistan. You were very suspicious, even though I see how you wouldn’t know it since you don’t know how it works. Unfortunately, for every hundreds of denied suspectes that are actually terrorists, there are a few innocent suspects as well, but that’s the procedure, it’s tried and proven and heck, it saves lives. You were granted a new notebook on the Israel taxpayer’s expense and you also got to keep all the old data, so it’s just an unpleasant memory now. From a professional POV these guys were alright.
Best of wishes & merry christmas!
Security Expert is speaking accurately. Every day, there are foiled terrorists trying to blow up Israelis. We don’t hear about them because we’re not supposed to. We only hear about the ones that unfortunately succeed. Israeli Security is the smartest in the world because it has to be. And it will risk “being wrong” every time, if it means being right once.
I think this is SOP for the Israeli borders. When I left from Ben Gurion back in the dark ages (1993) they destroyed my camera and calculator – how quaint! I was carrying a calculator – after interrogating me for about 3 hours. My crime was that I had stayed in Egypt for about a month and crossed overland. They paid me for it in shekels but I stood my ground and made them let me change it before I got on the plane. By that time, they’d been holding my plane for about an hour.
That is quite a story! yes, i would be pretty pissed about my life’s work being blasted away. have you ever thought about saving your work on google documents? You can set it to autosave and it’s there forever. really… for something as important as work… back it up online. stay strong sister!
As an israeli i must say that i am sad to hear about your story… (mostly because its a mac! I<3Mac)
anyway, i am glad to hear that the harddrive survived, and as i know the laws here, you would get a new laptop or at least a refund…
i hope you enjoy the rest of the trip and not let this *not so little* insidant ruin it for you.
I.a.B
To see a shot up mac is always sad. As an Israeli, I don’t feel ok when this is your first experience from my country. BUT, It’s important to mention that the military don’t shoot laptops just because it likes. As I read in previous comments, most of the things my country know for are not true. I invite anyone who thinks that Israel is an apartheid starte, or guilty in war crimes to take a REAL objective visit. You will find a great and strong democracy. We have arab israelis represented in the parliament. There are free, open elections. We actually gave up gazza 4 years ago. Instead of peace we got more and more rockets shot on civilian areas. Notice. With no arab agression against Israel from day one there will be no war. Israel is defending itself purely against terror. I’m sorry it shown in a bias way. Not as other states in the middle east, we have a constitution that defend human rights and a strong active court that allows Palestinians to appeal to it! (Show me Israeli who can argue hamas that they use terror…)
As for your case, believe me they had a good reason to suspect it. I know it’s only a personal blog, but the lack of comment from the israeli side makes it hard to believe they did it only because who you are and what you believe in.
I hope you will enjoy your stay in Israel, and I invite you to meet with me for a chat, to tell you things you can think over. (facebook me: Omri Ariav or mail: oariav84 at gmail.com)
This is the twentieth post that has said essentially the exact same thing using similar words and sentence structure but under a different name.
If I weren’t so naive, I would suspect people of littering your blog with identical comments.
Jan, the “similar words and sentence structure” come from Israelis who do not speak English as their first language. Your sentence structure and mine are similar, so does that mean you and I are the same person “littering” this blog? As for saying the “exact same thing,” I’ve often noticed that people that comment publicly, follow and repeat the previous posts they agree with. Just look how many people told this young woman to back up her computer! It’s not rocket science.
So apparently you aren’t so naive…
A lot of people in Israel (and I believe most of it) share this point of view.
They love their country, know that it isn’t perfect, but basically want to live in peace.
The argument is mainly about how many risks do we have to take on the way toward peace.
I guess the kind of people who write here are the one who care about how they’re country is presented, and trying to do something to make a difference.
A tragedy has happened to the Jewish people. We who have been oppressed and hope for a land of our own where we would show the world how good and just a country could be became just like all the others, paranoid and chauvinistic. No one person, or people can own any piece of land on earth. We are around for less than a century and the world has been here for billions of years. Yet we try and control little pieces of it and make believe we are different than the rest of humanity. Too bad, we all have great talents and great stupidity. It pains me that Israel has become what it was trying to avoid, racist, chauvinistic and paranoid, with an aggrandized concept of it’s own importance. Laptops are only a symptom of a much greater disease.
“We are around for less than a century”
True. But during this lifetime we can affect change. The dream of a just Middle East is still a journey to be travelled.
LOL 🙂
you made me laughing my ass out!
Israel is a BIG BIG success by any means, by any standard. economically, culturally, technologically, militarily and above all morally…….etc…. you name it! 🙂
what greater proof for our high moral is better then looking at what weapons does we purchased most and invented most. the answer is the most accurate ones men ever made!
that is to the complete opposite of the ones our enemies have- most damage for minimum cost.
we pay for quality (to minimize risk of hurting) while everybody else pay for quantity (the more blood the better, they are targeting civilians anyway, right?).
got that?
High moral standards would preclude the use of weapons.
Good for you! Your blog became a party for wannabe online muslim terrorists 🙂
Good luck getting a new laptop.
FYI, laptops (particularly the displays) contain toxic chemicals that can become exposed when broken. You may want to wash your hands carefully after handling the broken machine…
Never attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence… Probably the person who said to leave the laptop behind didn’t bother telling anyone else about it. That is typical for Israel. Shooting visitors laptops on purpose isn’t quite typical.
The rest is standard procedure for bags left in public places. It’s not like someone took his gun out and shot the laptop. It’s a remotely controlled bomb robot that shoots the bag to disarm or detonate the bomb. It’s unfortunate that there are a lot of people would try to leave a bomb in a public area.
The Israeli border police/security are generally rude and tend to harass foreign citizens though. Too bad but that’s true of quite a few other places. The security issue in Israel is real though.
And yes, back up your data! Your hard disk can fail for many different reasons…
‘It’s not like someone took his gun out and shot the laptop. It’s a remotely controlled bomb robot that shoots the bag to disarm or detonate the bomb.’
With three pistol rounds? Not really likely.
Exactly!
Sorry to hear what happened to your laptop !
A bit of a dumb way to secure it…
Luckily the ‘Electra’ sticker survived 😉
As an Israeli I am sorry for that..
enjoy the rest of your visit
I do not believe one word of this story. You are full of shit. The pictures prove nothing. How miraculously convenient it is that your hard drive is fine so you don’t even have to pretend to have lost data!
Denialist fool alert!
“Denialist” of what? A story with no corroborating evidence posted on someone’s blog? Pardon me for being skeptical.
LOL Crazy…
dont know why the israelis did such a silly thing like that, but i was always treat nice there (must to remember to buck up my pc before the next visit there) maybe they have something against apple… With linux it wouldnt happen )-:
but hey you american gives the same shit to others (even with Belgian passport and return ticket) JFK they ARE THE WORSE MOTHER FACKER IN THE WORLD, fat niggers ask me to take clots off and shit humiliate you like you the son of Osama, you guys are the biggest terrorist in this world sale guns to every kid in africa distroy half of the world with your usless wars… so why you so mad when other, do the same????
“Fat niggers”? You just made everyone with a brain hate you.
I’m just surprised that the backward idiots didn’t hang it from a lamp post.
Good Job!
Israel security is the best!
This will teach you.Do not bring any Arabic signs into the State of Israel.
Instead of looking into your laptop,calling professional to find some hidden files,they just shoot it. you lucky you hard drive alive
This is a reason why I shouldn’t want to visit Israel. Not because of the citizens, but because of the government and it’s messed up military apparatus. Sorry to hear of all the hassle you will have to go through recovering your data. Violence doesn’t create peace. It’s time they realize that!
Btw, I see you live in Cairo now. I was born and raised for a great deal of my life there. Currently living in the Netherlands studying journalism with the Middle East as my major. Hope to work in that region asap 🙂
Real shitty they blew holes through your laptop, luckily they missed the harddrive! And now you got an awesome souvenir too!
LOL Crazy…
dont know why the israelis did such a silly thing like that, but i was always treat nice there (must to remember to buck up my pc before the next visit there) maybe they have something against apple… With linux it wouldnt happen )-:
but hey you american gives the same shit to others (even with Belgian passport and return ticket) JFK they ARE THE WORSE MOTHER FACKER IN THE WORLD, fat niggers ask me to take clots off and shit humiliate you like you the son of Osama, you guys are the biggest terrorist in this world sale guns to every kid in africa distroy half of the world with your usless wars… so why you so mad when other, do the same????
You sound racist. You might want to check that.
Hello
I am from israel and i am sorry for your loss. We are not saints here, but due to the fact that we hadn’t had many great experiences with our neighbours in the past – no they are not swiss, we became cautious in time. Muslim people are not easy to deal with and as a woman you know that. We are not easy as well.
I wish you the best.
Dan
wellcome to land of revenge, wellcome to israel,
It’s only a laptop. Always keep a copy of your data secured (not on you) and make sure your laptop has encryption (in case of lost). We’re happy they didn’t shoot something that can’t be replace (you).
Take care and don’t worry so much about external things as a laptop.
Z
Why take Lily’s word on all this? Who is she anyway? Always 2 sides to the story.
You are lucky they shot the laptop and not you. I have entered through that crossing many times and other than a bunch of questions had no problem. Probably because you have a Jewish name and know nothing about Judaism.
Hahahaha! Man, that’s amazing! Why shot at a laptop anyway? I really don’t see any advantage in doing this.
Ella, the bag was left where they instructed her to leave it. It was not an unattended mystery bag. She should be fully reimbursed. This sort of behavior is the opposite of counter-terrorism. It alienates people to your cause, and creates enmity towards the state.
It’s a pity how many ignorant people responded here with so much hate toward people with no reason. I can categorize them into two groups:
1.those who are too lazy to work their brains reading this kind of posts
for them I say, think for a while. is this girl side of the story more reliable then the one that wasn’t written? Has it ever occurred to our usual Israel hating commenters that perhaps Israeli security knew something that we don’t and this woman may not be telling the whole story?
isn’t the options that did put a real threat or that there was a good reason to believe that she was?, why wouldn’t she lie about anything? please. don’t be too quick to judge!
2.those who are just generally ignorant about all their perception about israel, which is not only their fault, but those with interests like nasrallah, haminaiy etc… (however it is spelled lol). I don’t believe they see Israel as evil, as they say, they’re playing the game wisely, using people to their political benefit, that is all. they maybe even happy that Israel is here for them to use it the way they does. (media twisted, which many accuse as the reason for Israel’s demonisation, coverage is just the symptom of that).
I say to them, you are being used! I’m an Israeli, and I know, people here want a solution for the conflict! we ALL want the Palestinians to live well. and we are doing everything that is possible for that cause!
ITS THE HAMAS AND HIZBALLAH LEADERS THAT DOESN’T!
btw, i’m an atheist. I wish ALL PEOPLE well. I don’t care what religion they believe in, or where they were born. unfortunately SOME (not all!) religious ppl judge people not by their acts rather than by what they were told they should feel for them… that’s a shame 😦
*meant- AREN’T the options that SHE […] MORE LIKELY.
greetings from orange county, it is time to discard all you heard back in Goshen, and to rediscover history, and the Middle East…
…i will be in israel a day after tomorrow, and will be ready to clear a few misunderstanding with you.
So? Were they right? Did it explode?
It is easy to critisize Israel without having to deal with the dangers the citizens face on a daily basis. When people are generalized into a single word as the enemy, it is easy to forget that they are people too. Fear is a strong motivator and until power hungry murderers stop targeting civilians in Isreal, they will continue to proactively defend themselves. They are willing to replace the comp, let’s not cry over spilt milk.
Why go to those weird countries ??? I went a couple times and all thos fanatic moslims and similar people have made that I never go back to those countries. They are abnormal people !
grtz From Belgium
James VDB
Isolated case….sure.
Try telling that to this lady:
http://essentialgeneva.com/Bad-Day-at-the-Israel-Jordan-Border.html
Or, try telling that to Rachel Corrie. I guess you can’t, because she’s dead.
How about Tristan Anderson? Do you think he would like to hear you explain away his injuries?
But the comments here made me sick.
“AntiZionist” you are to pig not us.
You all know to blame Israel very good.
But when Hamas shoot rockets to Israel or make sucie bombing here- I don’t hear you..
And its not only Hamas.
As an Israeli and as a soldier I don’t hate muslims or palestinians because what they are. but some of them don’t want peace, they want to see them in my place and me in the sea and they try to do it by killing me, my family and other Israelis. And I must fight them to survive here. I hope and pray for peace. but meanwhile I and and IDF must protect this country and the people of this country.
watch this video-
and also this and see what the palestinians really want-
PEACE.
Hi, I read your piece on Haaretz.com and I thought to offer my sympathy. I lived in Jordan for more than a decade and I never even thought to go to occupied Palestine as I am an Arab. I admire your courage to go to such a country and please play it safe 😀 All I can comment about this incident is that when a thief (the Zionists) steals something (the land), they are doomed to live in fear of retaliation for ever.
Zak: I was hoping for something better from you when I started reading your post. But then you called Zionists “a thief” and you lost me. Make your point from a more balanced and educated platform, and you’ll get more open-minded people to listen to what you have to say. It’s just a suggestion…
Tamar: Thanks for the comment. Sorry if you were offended, but the truth is that the Zionists came from Europe to Palestine, kicked out the Palestinians and settled there. That land doesn’t belong to the Zionists, its people and their decedents are still alive living in camps waiting for some justice. This delayed justice, as well as anger is the cause of most of the violence in and around that land, which is causing all this fear in the region and particularly for the Israelis.
What I say is packed by various UN resolutions and almost every respectable human rights figure and many Jews as well. If this comes as a surprise for you, I am welling to listen to your side of the story.
I’m using Tamar’s ‘reply’ button to reply to Zak because Zak doesn’t have one – are you afraid of a response, Zak? You do realize that over 60% of Israeli Jews are from Arab nations who confiscated their property and then pushed them out, peniless? Or did they forget to tell you that in your suicide-bombing class? Arabs are the real thieves, they took much more land from Jews than exists Israel and the disputed territories combined!
So-called ‘Palestinians’ receive the HIGHEST PER-CAPITA AID from the UN, EU, US, etc. in the world, most than one and one-half times more than any the citizens citizens of any other country. What do they do with it? Use it to build rockets and bombs! Then they cry poverty and say they need more ‘help’. What hypocrisy.
I have no sympathy for either you or Lilly. You created your own problems, so you’ll have to deal with the consequences.
To Happy and proud: I am sure I replied to Tamar quite clearly. Unlike your claim which is a big lie, most of the Jews in Israel are from Europe and Russia: The Jews that lived in Iraq, Egypt, Yemen, and Morocco were living as equal citizens in most cases for centuries (compared to Europe at least). They started moving to Israel after 1948, and guess what? Israel encouraged that. the rest of that paragraph only shows how weak ur argument is since you started attacking me personally. Please get ur facts straight, people will take you more seriously then.
You never said what problem did they create? did they chose to become emigrants or were displaced by the Zionists? I think the answer is clear on that for most of the immigrants and the world. That’s why we have a UN resolution 242 and 194. You can either be a thug or a gentleman, but you cannot act like a thug and expect to be treated like a gentleman. No one asked for a dime from the UN, the Palestinians are asking for what is right for them: their land and their resources. Once you realize that, maybe we can talk about peace.
A MacBook? They shot a MacBook? Shooting a MacBook is like—a crime against nature! It’s almost as bad as blowing people up in the street!
(In case you couldn’t tell, I’m kidding. Still, a MacBook is a great loss. You should always keep regular backups!)
Paranoid nutters, the lot of ’em.
it is an easy choice, being paranoid or dead. i take the first option, what about you?
Hi, I am sorry this has happened to you and it is a shame. However on the contrary had you been an attempted terrorist and the soldiers not taken the appropriate actions, they could have been killed. It is sad that they have to be so cautious and stereotype/racially profile, but it is the only thing that keeps the citizens safe. Not to mention it is what is keeping you safe while you are visiting, so you don’t have to worry about being blown up on a bus or in a restaurant, because terrorists certainly do not discriminate between Israelis and those visiting from Egypt when they set off their bombs. And attempted terrorists are caught EVERY SINGLE day in Israel, without these measures they G-d forbid would succeed.
So while sad that your computer is destroyed, be thankful that these measures are protecting you during your visit, as well as saving many many Israeli lives. If upset, do not target the Israelis but instead the terrorists who make these measures necessary.
Well said, Nicole!
Maybe Israel would not have to shot your computer if her neighbors were a little more freindly and yes, even Jews have worked the Palestinian terrorists.
die!!! their dont shooot childrennnnn!!!!!
i heard 10 alarm at the day in the war, you dont
To blow up a MACBOOK PRO is a criiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiime! If only the loved apple as much as I did. But on a more serious note, I am glad that you are safe Alhamdullilah. Take care
Well, look at the bright side. You made the world press with this story!
Its on news websites everywhere: UK, USA, Belgium (where I live), ….
Only to bad that you’re laptop had to be shot for that 😉
Keep up the good work with this blog!
Hmm, girl with a Jewish name, doesn’t know anything about Judaism, has visited Arab countries, has anti-Israel material on her laptop, etc. Unfortunately, you fit the classic profile of someone who is going to be used by terrorists to smuggle a bomb into Israel. Over 1,000 Israelis were murdered, and thousands more wounded, by bombs during the 2nd intifada, often detonated by laptop or other computer device. Too bad it happened to you, but better a few extra dead laptops than some extra dead Israelis.
I’m sorry about your property but thats typical behavior that the educated mann could have said to you. The American Jewish owned television and internet websites doesn’t show you that these Jewish commit the same crime every day, millions of times to anyone just because they were born in Palestine of a mother and father that are not Chosen PeopleTM. When the USA did not listen to Israel aka Occupied Palestine Israel burned the WORLD TRADE CENTER ON CAMERA with five Jewish artistic student spies arrested by the FBI and the US leaders had to lie to the American people. The Crimes of the Jewish people are larger than the laptop.
http://www.rense.com/general31/thr.htm
By going to the racist Zionist land YOU are saying OCCUPATION is OK YOU are spending your dollars and the BILLIONS the USA gives them when all EDUCATED men boycott. DO NOT MAKE MORE PROBLEMS.
Take photos of the brutal crimes and send the photos to truthful politicians. Boycott Jewish business in the world to run out the bank accounts of Israel aka Occupied Palestine
The Palestinian People are true and the Jews make hate in every land history says. God does not reward criminal animals lying to be Chosen People.
One destroyed computer makes many enemies.
My friend wants to tell you that by breaking your computer Israel by accident pushed the button of self destruction.
Wow Mobileman…YOU’RE saying that “the Jews make hate?” What irony!
Though the laptops I’ve had to do recovery on haven’t been quite so literally blown up, feel free to give a shout if you ever need to know what works best for this (windows or linux). I’ve had to do all sorts of recovery before so I’ve sure it’d work on this too.
Tim
I am sorry for the bad day you had and the Mac but glad you went thru this experience and I wish more and more of the young Americans go thru similar ones to know the true face of some of the Israelies. If you like to try it the qickway, just have an arab friend..
Lil, this is something that is normal in Israel. Because of the constant threat of terror attacks by EXTREMIST ISLAMIC TERRORISTS there is a specific procedure that is done when a bag is left unattended or a ”suspicious object” also is left unattended. What usually happens is that large police forces arrive to the scene and isolate the area, then the sappers come in and blow the bag up by shooting at it with a robot (They hate being called up but they still do it, they bring a Robot in which shoots live rounds at the bag) . Why do they do that? The simple fact that many terror attacks were carried out like this by leaving some unattended bag containing explosives. I know this issue personally as I’ve seen it done during my military service and also worked in security at a bus station and have called sappers numerous times to “blow up” unattended bags left by people (No regrets because it might have been a ticking bomb) … and yes many many people like you have had their items destroyed but as citizens here it is an embarassement to be caught up like this and realise you left your bag unattended. Just last week I took the train and a case like this happened but they didn’t shoot the bag because the person who left it there showed up frantically (embarassement). Well anyways just wanted to let you know that other then that Israel is a welcoming country but the security issues are much different here as you’ve maybe noticed in malls there are no multi-doors, just one door with a security guard on every opening… As for the questioning, yes Israeli security again is very tight and interrogations follow cases like these, I’ve had a Canadian friend of Lebanese origin come to Israel and he was interrogated for 3 hours and I had to wait like an idiot at the airport but I understood why they did it. Anyways just wanted to let you understand the issue. To all you Israel bashers, die in hell 🙂
By the way, speaking of interrogation…a friend was visiting New Zealand a couple years ago. He didn’t have the address of where he was staying (or even know the small town’s name) because his friend was picking him up at the airport. He hadn’t shaved in a couple days, looked a little disheveled from the flight, and was held for more than two hours until they finally released him. And we’re talking New Zealand!
Common, Lilly, smarter folks know you are lying and distoring what’s really happened.
The Israeli army is probably the most humane force on the planet. It warns residents of the areas planned to strike – hours ahead through phone calls and loudspeakers. If an Israeli soldiers really shot this notebook, there must have been a solid reason.
Which apparently makes you, Lilly, another silly American lier, targetting other dummies in the Internet.
Yes, you are certainly true.
Rachel Corrie is another one of those American liers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Corrie
http://www.rachelcorrie.org/
Thank god you are OK, and your work is OK. Short story. I very good friend of mind has been trying to get me to invest in Israel for months and months. I started doing my due diligence because I was skeptical given the state of conflict throughout the region.
Initially, all the reports were good “no big deal” was the refrain. As I started to dig a little deeper it wasn’t quite so rosy. Nothing fatal just stories similar to yours about endless questioning, and being turned away if your had the wrong stamp in your passport.
I wish the people of Israel and the whole region peace and prosperity, however I can not invest in this country. I’m sure it’s a beautiful place to see and live, but it’s just beyond my pain threshold as a place to do business much less invest in.
Did the bullets go all the way through your laptop?
If not, buy two and have a bullet proof “vest” for the front and back. I bet it’s cheaper then kevlar.
Better luck with your next laptop.
What are you going to do with your shot up laptop?
sorry – bunch of fucked up rats…
I am sure they did it in vengeance , but what would it give them ?
I suppose, bunch of fsck small brained heads in army (border control) that feel over law….
It is easy to see why the shot it, it was a Mac…
I can’t disagree it was pretty stupid but your racism is disgusting, you can’t blame the whole jews for such a thing.
I’m just curious, but do you think you could next do a post about the African PEOPLE who get shot and killed when trying to cross the Egypt border?
How about the Mexicans who get killed crossing the US border?
crazy…so many crazy people in the world
(talking about the people in the comments, rather than the kids at the border)
(i mean, what do you expect when you give guns to kids anyway?)
1st rule of computing: Back up always!
Use Time Machine with an external hard drive, I recommend you get in 2 for the case of a problem or to be stolen (keeping the hard drives in different places)
G-D BLESS AMERIKA!
I’M AFRAID EVEN THINK WHAT WILL BE HAPPEN IF U ARE SPEAK RUSSIAN !!!
Funny. I think I read somewhere that many of the settlers in the disputed settlements came from what used to be the Soviet Union. Perhaps these border soldiers were from that stock?
honestly, there will never be peace if people keep defending unjust actions and that is true for both sides.
this act was childish on behalf of the guards there. they didnt like the girl pure and simple. they prejudged her on pictures, on previous travel and most importantly…on her being. people who have been subjected to this prejudgement should never forget that prejudice. they should never act in that same way to others.
i understand the need to protect yourself. but if they truly wanted protection, 3 gun shots would not have provided that. it would have only endangered the people around the device while shooting at it. if prevention of detonation was the true goal, they would have detonated the device…not just damage it. the damaging is more an act of retribution.
if both sides continue to act in this way, then both sides will never reach that elusive goal of peace. when that goal is no longer the forefront issue at hand, is the time we truly all would have lost…some of us more than others.
I find it a bit odd that you presume to know how to handle a bomb (or how not to) better than people that trained months or even years, knowledge that unfortunately was discovered due to the “research” of thousands of terrorists put us Israeli’s through.
to my understanding, the security officers acted very professionally, u have no justification to think otherwise. believe me. if they had to waste more than an hour+ compensation of a new laptop, it means they weren’t playing games! they were working, as they do for countless hours, to save lives!
and another thing.
it didn’t endangered anyone because it was done in a controlled environment by a machine, when no human is in fire range…
Take five seconds of your life to open google and browse “bomb disposal”. Note how every hit shows controlled instances where the “bomb” is sealed in a container then exploded. Now compare that to a laptop with 3 randomly placed bullets through it.
Confused? If firing bullets into a bomb was the way to set it off, it would need to be continuously fired all across the suspected bomb – you cant just fire 3 shots at random and say, “Well, we didn’t hit any explosive areas with those shots so that must mean theres none at all!”
Seriously, I can see why theres so much trouble out there! A professional manner would have been to explain to the owner what was about to happen at least or failing that perhaps detonate it the way the rest of the civilised world do it.
Professional indeed. Perhaps stop conscripting your children as soon as they leave school and instead employ adults to these jobs and you might start to see some sensible actions.
i find it presumptuous that you think you know how a real bomb squad blows up stuff. do some research and please get back to me. you will be shocked that “capping” the laptop is not the recommended detonation method.
but hey, all i am here to say is that peace is a monumental task that needs a very solid foundation. that foundation NEEDS truth, accountability, fairness…all these things and more they taught us in kindergarden and somehow we have managed to shed them after college.
if you keep defending unjust actions, you are not a man of peace.
reread some of the posts here. there are some very anti-zionist people posting and there are some very, lets just say, strong minded isrealis here. both use words of hate towards each other…and BOTH are wrong.
Pixiegod: How do you know they “didn’t like the girl pure and simple?” You have NO idea what kind of training and protocol Israeli border guards have to go through to make decisions on behalf of their country’s security. I think your assumptions simply reflect your own “childish” thinking.
tamar,
they shot the laptop. look at the post from the munitions guy. there are a few other posts from trained people who also back up the fact that doing a “drive by” on a laptop is not the way to detonate a bomb.
if they had actually detonated the bomb, and disposed of it like a real bomb squad would, then i would have no justification as to their sentiment towards the traveling girl.
but they shot the laptop…that was not an attempt at detonation. that was something else.
How do you know how to handle a bomb package? You work in security? I was in the Weizmann Institute once where they found a suspicious package. They did the same. They ordered people to move away and shot the bag.
Don’t leave bags unattended. Never.
suzanne,
so your claim to know how a bomb is properly taken care of are the actions of a minimum wage paid security officer?
i would hope that people working at the border, trained to deal with bombs would treat the bombs more like trained people do…and not like the security guard at the Weizmann Institute.
but hey, thats just my take on the subject.
@Pixiegod, you need to get better informed concerning bomb dismantling:
While I’ll agree with you that the process could have been dealt better ( Both in regards the the handling of the luggage and, after reading several versions of the story, the “right hand doesn’t know what the left hand does” issue), My conclusions are:
Today’s explosives are extremely powerful and come in various forms, so even coating the insides of a laptop with explosives can bring down a terminal.
Regarding the luggage, there are worldwide conventions about how to handle suspicious luggage, written in protocols of the Interpol and in various international police organizations. Even in Canada they won’t hesitate to detonate a suspicious luggage.
and as a relative of a bomb squad commander, I can say that shooting off a detonator off the explosive charge (after the determination of its existence and location) is a valid course of action. There are bomb squad robots, developed in the US, who carry water cannons, especially for that purpose. Another valid course is to take the charge to a bunker or a deep hole and let it explode (or causing it to explode), if more sophisticated means of bomb handling aren’t available.
On a personal note, I totally agree with you about peace. However from what I know the Israelis are the ones who are more serious, while the Palestinians are in disarray. They are divided into 2 governing bodies, the one who deals with Israel and the worlds doesn’t even know whats going on in Gaza, let alone do something about it, no one is willing to explain where all the international aid funds go to but Hammas ( the governing body in Gaza) keeps arming itself, instead of helping the population.
@suzanne – your comparing on the street tactics to ones in a more controlled environment of a checkpoint.
remember the context…it was a controlled environment where they should be trained to deal with explosives well. they are a checkpoint. where they are checking for bombs routinely. the most effective way to deal with explosives in a controlled situation is by completely detonating it. not shooting it.
on the street, the rules change. they lack that whole controlled environment thing. sure shooting it might work, but when you are in a controlled situation…you should be able to take the safest route and thats by detonating it.
but hey, if you want to keep bringing in different scenarios and trying to apply it to this controlled situation, here is one. i have heard of people using dogs to walk ahead of humans to detonate any explosives…in effect the dog takes the bullet for the human. would that be an effective bomb disposal technique…maybe putting bacon all over the laptop and letting a dog go play with it?
i know you want to blame this on everyone else, and not see the abuse that isrealis are doing to others…but to reach real peace, we must not let ANYONE abuse any other. You will only continue the hatred if you ignore the abuses from any one side.
Lucky you are not an Arab they could ‘ve blew you up these racist Zionists.
More proof Jews are all barbarians.
Its a shame you weren’t carrying a bomb
Then you could have had real fun watching those animals blow up.
WHOOOO DAT!
I wish we had this type of security for people visiting the States.
Well, that’s the way I usually treat every visitor coming to my house… you never know.
Pretty strange that people stopped visiting me…
A macbook?
serves you right.
lol
joking. thats terribly brutal though.
probably the only reason they blew up your macbook is that it had an arabic keyboard. you are lucky to be an american, and thus, alive!
Oh my.
Hi Lily,
Forgive me if I am presumptuous, travelling to Israel, you would know about it’s decades old issues with Terrorism.
Just reading in “The Australian” today, in 2001, a jewish girl from Australia, Malki Roth, went into a cafe in Jerusalem with a friend. Shortly after a man called Izzadin Al-Mazri walked into the cafe with a guitar case, after being dropped off in front by a well known Palestinian TV news presenter, Tamimi. Malki and 14 others died and scores of others were injured.
This is just another stark reminder.
Lily, having travelled through Arab countries before arrival to Israel, and being a resident of Egypt, a lot of things about you could raise suspicion, in a country which has gone through hundreds of terrorist attacks and thousands of deaths and millions of shattered lives. In Israel they get edgy at the sight of an unattended shopping bag, let allone a suitcase belonging to someone with your travelling history.
I think their approach is – It is nothing personal, but better be safe than sorry!
Best regards,
Robert
Just to add…
I’m a little confused about your bag being unattended. You said it was still there when you checked. So do you mean they removed the laptop from the bag?
If so, it had nothing to do with the fact that bag was unattended, but they merely had concerns with your laptop. Given the size of undetactable and very powerfull explosives available these days, I’m not surprised.
Better safe than sorry! 😉
You know.. for a ignorant soul like you they shoudn’t have blown your laptop but should have blown you ass. They are preventing themselves from hate ful pISLAMIC mongers. If you don’t like their place then fuck off.. rather than being prejudiced and pedophile mohammad worshipper.
Sam, please don’t be so childish to group all Muslims as “pedophiles”. It just makes you look like you’re speaking from a position of uninformed, ill educated and badly thought out extremism.
It’s obvious they shot it because it was a Mac…
Next time, get a Dell.
This is not security these are thugs….maybe they worried that you had information about the genocide they committed last Jan was it? There is an MSM black bout that if you notice.
before u trying to tell us what happen miss sussman we have to hear what they have to say . maybe u r one of those that hate israely maybe u behave and talk bad to them . how in the world u expect us to take ur word ???????
pleasssse do a faver to ur self
You should have gotten a Panasonic ToughBook laptop as a replacement. Those are practicly bullet proof 🙂 . If they ask you why you have a military grade notebook, you can show them the picture of your macbook 🙂
See, this is why Americans largely stay in America and don’t travel cause stuff like this happens all the time. Anti-Americanism at its worst no don’t. Travel to see the world and the world returns the favor by shooting you a bird and your laptop.
PROBEBLY THE GOT THE PICTURE WHO U ARE . I WISH THEY PUT U IN GAZA AND A FEW ARAB WILL DO 2 U WHAT THEY LOVE TO DO ..
BAHHHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH loooool ZOMG so funny, ey least they didnt shoot you
Before you go judging my country and culture,due to your exposure
to the arab culture get your pro-arab story right
there are security measures,your l-top could have been booby trapped,everyone knows
in Israel no to leave unattended things etc.. there are signs every where in english also
So if you feel that its bad in Israel dont come there stay with your arab friends
i am sure they will know how to entertain you.
If they had suspicion then its reasonable to fire the bag for two reasons –
1. Fast act may save lives in the terror filled country.
2. They are doing such things for so many hectic weeks. Their state of mind can be thought of
If they are THAT paranoid of ‘terrorists’ then the terrorists have already won. That’s too bad it has to be like this, I hope the rest of your journey goes a bit better than the events that have already transpired.
So, did they think the laptop had a concealed weapon? Or maybe it made a sudden move.
Sorry to hear about your computer.
They didn’t have to shoot it, it’s a Mac.
All they had to do was plug it in, eventually it’d blow up all by itself.
Don’t be the Western girl who falls in love with Arab exoticism.
Take a look at women rights in the Arab world. Now you are Jewish by birth and a woman. Good luck, makes sense they asked about Arab boyfriend, it clouds your judgement.
Hi there,
I live in Israel and I’m quite in shock from your story.
I just wanted to say that I’m ashamed in these behavior and I don’t want you to think that this behavior reflects all the Israeli people live here.
Peace & love,
Dave.
With all do respect, when you read between the lines you are getting to a conclusion this was a provokation staged from the start. the means are fairly simple: take a laptop, some pictures of israeli symbols and the F word on them, some pictures os the gaza attack, some pictures and maps of commonly terrorist-targeted locations in jerusalem, give all the wrong answers to when questioned, accuse them of being muslim killers, and then be “surprized” when they suspect you and act according to procedures.
If you have some balls, go ahead and try to do the same when entering the US: carry the american flag with the F word, add some pictures and maps of an attack in Afganistan, the white house, congress, and an airport or an army base, when asked about these tell them they are killing muslim children every day and so on. Your laptop? ha! how long you think it will take before they let you meet a lawyer? do me a favor, it was a setup from beginning, you got your rating, Israel got its dirt, and everybody are happy, right?
With all do respect, it seems this was a provokation staged from the start. the means are fairly simple: take a laptop, some pictures of israeli symbols and the F word on them, some pictures os the gaza attack, some pictures and maps of commonly terrorist-targeted locations in jerusalem, give all the wrong answers to when questioned, accuse them of being muslim killers, and then be “surprized” when they suspect you and act according to procedures.
If you have some balls, go ahead and try to do the same when entering the US: carry the american flag with the F word, add some pictures and maps of an attack in Afganistan, the white house, congress, and an airport or an army base, when asked about these tell them they are killing muslim children every day and so on. Your laptop? ha! how long you think it will take before they let you meet a lawyer? do me a favor, it was a setup from beginning, you got your rating, Israel got its dirt, and everybody are happy, right?
I am not surprised. I keep a thumb-drive with all my work in my bra when traveling– Israeli security is …illogical.
Good luck!
Is lily a member of some activist anti israel org.?
Why did she have a series of photos of Israel attack in Gaza, and coming from Egypt?
Did she have an arab boy friend?
What is her profile in the USA?
let’s find out about more about her.
Good security you have in Israel!
This is a reason why your laptop was blown up.
A young Irish girl met a nice Muslim boy. They were about to have a baby together and get married. The nice Muslim boy bought his white Irish girlfriend an airline ticket to Israel to meet his family.
Israeli screeners at the airport questioned the nice Irish girl before she got on the plane. She said she had an Arab boyfriend, that raised a red flag. The screeners searched her carefully again.
Hidden in a secret compartment in her suitcase was a bomb that set to blow up the plane after take up and kill everybody on board. The Irish woman had no idea about the bomb in her own luggage.
The nice Arab boy was using his pregnant European girlfriend to sneak a bomb on board the plane. He knew that the Israelis would search an Arab man carefully but expected them to let a young, Christian woman go through security without a fuss. The nice Muslim boy was willing to kill his own unborn child and his girlfriend just to kill Jews.
Sorry about your troubles but look at the context.
Here’s a link to the woman that was betrayed by her Muslim boyfriend that was using her to carry a bomb onto an Israeli plane http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_Mary_Murphy
Those who didn’t live in a terror-struck country such as Israel don’t know what it is to go on a bus and hope it doesn’t explode, or sit in a restaurant and hope no suicide bomber explodes.
Since those attacks, Israeli citizens and security forces are very suspicious regarding any objects that might contain explosives.
For example, Any bag that is left unattended makes citizens call the police, and many times the police indeed shoots those objects.
Egypt is a hostile country. There were some terror attacks against Israel from Egypt.
That’s all there is to it.
It took me twenty mins to find out what you do, Lily. I now see from a previous post that you are a legal advisor to something called the Resettlement Legal Aid Project in Cairo, which assists e.g. Iraqi refugees. This explains why they blew up your laptop, or shot it full of holes. You need to provide this context, now you’re in Ynet, which refers to you as a ‘student’ and implies that the laptop contained merely student work:
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3820532,00.html
This is what the IDF do to Human Being all day long, so I’m not surprised…
what a stupid culture based on arrogance and occupation, if you live and let live you will never have to deal with this, but no god gave you weapons and occupation and oppression, who is the terrorist….
Hi Lily,
We fix and Support Apple computers in Ramallah/WestBank/Palestinian Territories, if you need any help/hardware/software, it would be our pleasure to offer it to you. 🙂
If you will read at the statement of the girl, it was not clearly said if the officers thought there was a bomb on the laptop. Although, they are sure the girl is some sort of a lead from an adversary country (Palestine) The detailed preview: http://bit.ly/macbook-gundown-israel-airport
hello everyone!
dont believe everything u hear!
shes probably working with some arabs units…
this kind of thing dont happen in Israek 2009. i cant believe u destroyed a mac for this thing.
All wars are cos of the jews and cos of religion. When they stop shooting macbook pros, the world will be a nice place to live in.
Yes, you’re lucky Apple latest revision moved the hard drive from the ‘bottom-left’ corner of the MBP to it’s newer easily accessible spot.
No offense, but entering Israel (or the US) with half the stuff you had on you is really just asking for trouble. LOL … it’s unfair yeah but it’s reality (for now).
Now I wonder what the marriage statistics in Israel are. More guys than girls demographically?
These are insane times and we live in a chaotic world, where division is growing and respect and compassion for everyone is quickly flying out the door – sort of like the bullets flying into your innocent laptop. Great analogy. I’m sorry your laptop was shot. Grateful you weren’t and your hard drive was saved. In the end it’s a good story for the grand kids. I was pulled in for a secondary search in Australia recently (and I’m expat Australian by the way). They made me open my bag “just unzip it and stand away from the bag” he commanded, I did. They questioned me about my trainers in the bag – “OMG”, I thought. “How bizarre”. The other one did a body search. I questioned them. Is this a random search? Yes we are taking every other person in for second level search. “Really”, I said. As I walked out I overheard the woman who body searched me say “What was that all about”? I didn’t hang around to find out. I didn’t need or want to. This is how silly it all is now and if we don’t laugh, we cry and hate one another.
what you was going to do in israel with all that stuff in your bag?
you can hate our army but why hating us?
you don’t know us and you never talked to us so how you can hate us?
I’m reminded of the incident at Lod airport (Ben Gurion) many years back.
A certain departing Arab had already had his baggage checked.
A second security checker thought there was something suspicious about his demeaner. (She was SO politically incorrect!)
She indicated to the original checker her suspicion and asked the ARAB to place his bag on the rack and open it.
He complied.
The explosion killed him, her, and her fetus.
Yes, they “blew up” your laptop.
The level of hatred on this board is absolutely disgusting — be it hatred towards Jews, Muslims, Palestinians, or Israelis.
To call someone by a name other than what they call themselves is spiteful and devoid of grace or class. Do you want to be known as a spiteful, disgraceful, classless person? Do you want your family, friends, or children to know you as such? No? Then control yourselves, please.
Just because this is “the internet” does not mean you should go around speaking irresponsibly. First of all, everything you ever type can be traced. Secondly, anonymity should not free you from your own conscience, and if your own conscience doesn’t prevent you from being hateful, that’s a pretty good indication that you’re evil and therefore you have no moral ground to stand on with regards to whatever judgment you are making of others at this moment.
Practice and preach love and happiness, and the same shall return to you exponentially. Practice and preach hatred and so it shall also come to pass unto your own house — I guarantee it.
The answer to this apparent conundrum is quite straight forward.
Lilysussman is a Muslim, smart arsed, smart mouthed anti semite with a bad attitude and she is lucky that she didn’t shot right smack bang in the middle of the head where she should have been shot.
The dishonest woman cleverly omits the obviously inappropriate answers that she provided to reasonable questions.
How dare she waste the time of security workers putting their lives on the line every day.
Kick arse and take names.
Sergeant Kick Arse.
Hehe! Nice work
Dear Lily Sussman:
I am sorry to hear that you have been inconvenienced by my country’s security procedures. It seems a little brash of the Israel Defense Force to be so hostile and classify you as a possible national threat ONLY because you have controversial anti israeli & antisemitic photographs, Arabic literature and happen to have traveled to several Arabic/Islamic countries prior to landing in Israel.
Look, we all feel your pain and frustration but what you must realize is that the safety of an entire people depend on these security checks. If you want to blame anyone, please blame the leaders of the countries you visited since it is their fathers and grand fathers who have forced Israel to resort to extreme security searches. Look on the bright side, your laptop hard drive was purposely saved by the thoughtful security guards and you are receiving a brand new laptop which is an Israeli’s way of saying “hey, we have to do what we have to do and thanks for understanding”.
With all the love in my Israeli Jewish Heart,
Mark
You claim to have love in your heart but explain that because someone was in posession of “controversial anti israeli & antisemitic photographs” makes a person a possible threat?
Many Israeli citizens no doubt have books about the holocaust. Israeli newspapers publish images and articles about anti-semetic acts when they occur as they are of interest. Israeli government and public archives store such things. Should anyone in posession of this sort of material or connected to institutions of such material be treated in this way? Does visiting a country mean you automatically subscribe to the views of a portion of it’s citizens? We have a issue with a subset of far-right nationalists in the UK. Does that mean that any Israeli with a UK stamp in their passport must be interrogated as possible neo-nazi’s? (A crude example but the analogy is fair)
As for the hard drive being *purposefully* saved, don’t be ridiculous. If you consider something to be a genuine threat, you try to destroy the threat. If you consider that the hard drive can be saved you can’t have considered it to be a threat otherwise you’d put a bullet through it too!
David
“hey, we have to do what we have to do and thanks for understanding”.
David,
Would you be good enough to post a picture of yourself in order that I may hit it with my shoe? Thank you. Thank you very much.
PS: We’re laughing at you.
in response to this “since it is their fathers and grand fathers who have forced Israel to resort to extreme security searches.”
no one can “force” you to act in any way which you truly dont want to act. and please before you think i am blaming anyone for anything…its not. but truly, who can force you to really do anything?
for peace to truly take hold…the finger pointing has got to stop. that is, if you want peace. someone has to do start it, and if all your reaction is to the zealots on either side of the fence, then you might as well pick up a gun and go on a rampage. why pretend to want peace if all you are doing is feeding into the zealots the hate they adore?
¿What did they think?Something like:
“¡¡¡OH MY GOD!!! ¡¡That computer must have a bomb inside!!
¡¡ Let’s shoot at it !!”
[irony on]Smart… Kill the bomb before it kills you…[irony off]
Nah, funny but true! Look up the concepts of “Controlled Explosions”. Odd shooting it though. Typically security services use a device that is specifically for the purpose that looks more ike a small shotgun than a pistol. The idea being that the percussive force from the impact causes the bomb to either detonate or be disrupted. The fact that they used a pistol and not something more formal makes you wonder if they seriously thought it was a bomb rather than just being vindictive!
David
That wasn’t a pistol that did that, look at the size of the holes, at least .75 inch in diameter. Even a .50 Desert Eagle doesn’t do that. The pics are consistent with the device you described. (I don’t know where the pistol stuff comes from; there was no witness account in the original article.)
you simpathize to terrorists. thats the way it is
You follow an outdated, outmoded and basically barbaric set of rules from an inaccurately translated fictional story… as do all of the “big 3” religions. that’s the way it is.
Hello Mrs Sussman,
we would like to write a short article about this incident. Would you allow us to use your photos to ilustrate it.
Regards
Andreas Lerg
editor
Im really sorry to hear that..
Im from Israel, and i dont like this kind of behavior.
Please, you have to know, that this is not reflax all the Israly People.
Is this covered under applecare?
What The F##K
צר לי על מה שקרה לך
מתבייש שכך מתנהגת המדינה שלי
תודה שאתם אינטליגנטי, להיות חמלה אנושית. שלום להיות איתך.
75 years ago, some other dangerous extremists were burning degenerate books and art.
Now, their successors are shooting laptops…
Hey Lily,
I`m just writing a little report on this for our community magazine and was wondering, if I may use your fotos.
Best
Ben
Oh snap, I’m leaving for Israel on Saturday :O Hopefully they’ll see my visa from the last visit and let go. I remember they thought I was an Eastern European prostitute. Never bothered to check my computer or my camera. Crazy, crazy country.
“They quized me on Judaism, which I know nothing about.”
Proud of your ignorance, aren’t you.
And yet you are so full of opinions on why “israel is oppressing those poor arabs”, aren’t you.
Call us back when your palie friends do for you what you deserve and see if we give a damn.
“I wish we had this type of security for people visiting the States.”
I wish this woman was BARRED FROM THE STATES.
The saddest part is that she is Jewish. Says something about the state of assimilation in the diaspora these days, that a girl with the name Sussman, who IS Jewish, identifies more with the enermy. Tragic.
“The enemy” That’s a sweeping statement that is the cause of all this hatred, violence and death on both sides. At the end of the day all that the VAST MAJORITY of people, both Israeli and Palestinian want to do is have a safe home to live in and bring up their families. Can you not identify with that?
David
How can you say she’s Jewish? It’s a common non-Jewish German last name. Far easier to believe that she’s simply trying to finish what her people started in the 1930s than to think her upbringing turned her into a self-hating Jew.
Israel’s continued existence makes Europeans uncomfortable because it’s a reminder of the holocaust failing.
Hi girl! It’s crazy!!! Why did they do that???? best wishes from Moscow!!!
Hey,
I’m sure many people wrote this before (sorry, hadn’t had the time to read through all the comments), but I’m confident what happened to you is a misunderstanding.
As you well know, innocent items tend to be used by terrorists (mail in the US containing anthrax for example, letter bombs by the unabomber… and that’s in the US), here in Israel we tend to be suspicious, because, hey, we have a right to be… and that’s one of the reasons why most Israelis leave in relative security – since 99.99% of attacks are stopped before they occur – sadly, this doesn’t come without mistakes, errors and such. I am sure that if you file complaints or charges, you will receive a formal apology and probably a refund on the expenses incurred to you.
Another matter – your mentioning of the security people looking like “18 year olds” is a little out of place, in Israel, EVERY 18 year old (male or female) is required by law to join the army and serve for several years, and it’s those 18 year olds who prevent (sometimes physically) terror attacks, so I would be a little less “cynical” – you would expect visitors to the US (or any other country for that matter) to respect the local security forces, regardless of their age right?
You visiting Syria and other Arab countries is obviously a red-flag in any Israeli security officer, as they are trained to notice these things – in one of the companies I worked for a long while back, one of our employees in the UK office was part Lebanese part German, and each time he came for a visit we used to get a call asking us to confirm that we know him. As stated, security is a bitch, but it’s a price that has to be paid.
And for all of you about to attack me, stating that it’s “too much” etc – well – you deal with the threats Israel is dealing with daily, and we’ll see how soon civil liberties disappear (Patriot act anyone??) and in Israel – members of the parliament openly support our enemies… so… before you attack, know your facts.
The world would be a much better place if if were through the eyes of John Lennon and Imagine.
Imagine NO RELIGION, what a peaceful world we would begin to have.
sdasd
Are you playing Counterstrike?
I am pretty sure if it was a PC laptop not a Mac Laptop or apple laptop it wouldn’t of been shot at. Seriously buying/brining a Mac is arouses suspicion itself.
QED. Macs are bombs, people who buy them should be treated with high suspicion.
Anyway, who wouldn’t want to shoot a macbook?
congrats, your story just made the news in austria 😉 hope you get your laptop reimbursed! what a story 😀
please do tell me, miss sussman, have you ever been under an attack by peoples who were so brainwashed that they considerd your own exsiestence as a sin? have you seen a true suicide bomber?
i have.
i came from france to live in israel for 4 years, then to go back and study, just to clear things up, i AM jewish.
and im a surviver of a terror attack by a suicide bomber.
only luck saved me since the suicider exploded on the front of the bus, i was on the back. i was thrown out of the bus by the shockwave and only sufferd from broken bones.
i have seen hes eyes, i have heard hes “war cry” to “allah” and i will never forget the 1 moment of sheer fear and seilence before he triggerd the bomb.
and for you, who dont know anything about this subject, to go and say
“well this is much to be expected by people who shot children”
is nothing more then pure ignorence.
sure, go ahead and think your foolish little toughts, but do not share these moronic thoughts with everyone, cuz you never know whos reading em, and what your words can make him do.
think about it, little girl.
viva la france. viva la israel.
—-
p.s
sorry for my english. but i think ive done a good job making it understandable.
Yves,
Your attitude suggests that being the victim of a suicide bomber turns one into a raving lunatic, but I don’t think it’s true. I think it’s a process of preparation, and then maintenance. Once it happened to you, everyone tried to make you feel worse than you do.
In particular, your words, “do not share these moronic thoughts with everyone,” are concerning. I can’t believe my tax dollars go toward promoting your anti-free-speech attitude. Even if you become as bad as the Nazis, you will not be better than them.
Why do you hate freedom so much?
sorry i cant see anything there behind your Demagogy
p.s:
if were talking about the after effects of been a surviver of a terror attack. why dont you go, see your freinds and alot of other people whom you dont know die infront your eyes all bloody and thorn apart, and then write your little posts
You are trying to be cute, but the reality is, when you leave a bag unattended in a country that has suffered may terrorist attacks, this is what sometimes happens. You will get compensated; and yes, it is a hassle, but for one moment, open your mind to the possibility that they had been right in thinking that this was really something that posed a threat.
You denigrate Israel and the threats we live under constantly by showing your lack of understanding.
Mr. Hateful,
What is your opinion? would you say that threats you live under are a direct cause or an indirect cause of the Occupation that your country has been running?
I’m also curious to know whether the threats you live under will go away once you have completed your genocide of the Palestinians, or if you will have to commit further atrocities?
Under Israeli occupation (Jews giving Palestinians the highest quality healthcare and education for Arabs in the region) the Palestinian population became one of the fastest growing populations in the world, if that’s genocide could we please have the Israelis genocide blue whales and other endangered species.
Dear “Voice of Reason.”
You are anything but.
I have never read such a jumbled mess of sloppy thought as I have in your posts.
Dude! Lose the psychotropic drugs man. There is no “reason” on your thoughts at all. Reading your posts is like trying to decipher …well…pudding!
way you coming to Israel ? to help the Arabs ? look what they do to your country at the September 11 !!
why you don’t talking about the anti terror method that your government using ?
if our Bord gourd shout something – its better, it’s better then it blow up the buss 10 minute later
following this article its look like you can have new laptop
http://it.themarker.com/tmit/article/9129
The Airport Authority said in response: “Testing conducted for the lady raised an indication of required security officials to act in accordance with procedures. Sapper was invited to a police carried out the operation in question. Any information to contact the Israeli police recommend. Sussman did not turn to the Airports Authority for compensation, the Authority reported that the request will be reviewed if you do.
Wow, Guy.
you seem to be conflating “guard” shout something with “fire three large-caliber bullets at close range.”
Wow, honestly, I thought the story was extremely disturbing…then I read some of the comments and realized that the story was something we should expect simply as “normal security measures Israel takes to defend itself.”
As for the “Palestine” or Israel” debate…
Israeli Zionists, please use something God ACTUALLY DID GIVE YOU- no not your so called “Israel,” but your BRAINS!!!!!
After the Romans kicked your annoying people out of THEIR LAND since you Jews couldn’t allow peace in the land, the people who remained their BECAME KNOWN AS PALESTINIANS. When you say that there is no such thing as Palestine, you are denying a 2,000 year old title. Do you honestly have brains??? Many of those PALESTINIANS, not all, became Muslims later on..and many became Christian….and I’m sure some even became Jews. They were the PALESTINIANS. So now that we have established the fact that 2,000 years ago PALESTINE was established, lets move on to what actually makes a difference.
HOW CAN A HUMAN BEING (and yes, that implies every Zionist, or Zionist sympathizer is not a Human…you guys are something else) justify coming to a land that 2,000 years ago was “yours” (lol, haha, do you guys even know anyones name that lived there at the time???), and then saying “HEY EVERYONE WHO HAS LIVED HERE FOR THE LAST 2,000 YEARS!!! PACK UP YOUR BAGS AND MOVE OUT, WE ARE BACK!!!! And then you expect everyone that has lived their for centuries to say “oh sure…here, take my home, my farm, my property…its all yours!”
So in conclusion, Zionists are theives (since in modern day definitions stealing is defined as taking something that does not belong to you).
And honestly, if you guys really were Gods chosen people, would he cause you to lose your land for 2,000 years, get killed by Hitler, and then shoot innocent peoples laptops??? Honestly, lets start thinking 🙂
Just one question…
Who do you think lived here in the (almost) 2000 years between the Roman exile and the second half of the Ottoman empire? Muslims? Christians? Buddhists? Palestinians?
The answer is NO. The ONLY constant population in Israel over that span of time were Jews, living, for example, in Zafed in the Upper Galille, or Katzrin in the Golan Heights. When the Jewish Aliyah began in the late 19th century, the Muslim population of Plaestine was around 6000 people, living as seperate tribes in an amazingly undeveloped system of villages. So undeveloped, that Uganda, back in those days, seemed like a viable option for Jews.
Todays Palestinians came to Israel together with the Jewish Aliyah’s during the 19th and 20th Centuries, And defined themselves as Palestinians, only after 1948, when they realized that other Arabs (Jordanians, Lebaneese, Egyptians) see them as inferior.
They still could have gotten a state of their own, had they accepted the internationally approved seperation decision of 1947 but they decided to go to war, and they lost.
Since those days, Jews, and after 1948, Arab Israelis, including Christians, Druz, Bedouine and Muslim, developed this country to be the most modern country in the Middle East.
I am not sure that “Intel Palestine” would have been able to develop the CPU of the laptop we shot
One more thing, you wanted to know the names of the people who lived here 2000 years ago? Fortunately, we knew how to write back then, and have documentation of the life here 2000 years ago, if you need any other proof, the second input method of my keyboard uses the same letters as they did back then, the Hebrew keyboard
I’m sure this hasn’t occurred to you but why not just all live together peacefully, as individuals? Why do you need to operate as groups, where each group must necessarily exclude the other?
I’m so tired of looking around the world and seeing racism, intolerance and stupidity; particularly when backed by violence. Your religions serve noone.
If we were invaded by a superior alien race tomorrow, the very people you despise today would be ‘fellow humans’ and would protect you from harm – as they would today if you’d all just OPEN YOUR EYES.
Idiots 😀
PS. Use my trailing insult as justification for ignoring the good sense of the rest of my post…
Funny that many of you say: “you should have backed up your data” or ” make a backup” or “forgot to delete the picture from my camera” you are missing the point, it’s not about the data that is lost, you know what, ok, that data can be backed up, so the lesson that was learned is that when you go to Israel you MUST back up your data just to be sure that you won’t lose anything when they shoot your laptop/external hard drives. maybe you should back up your life, because maybe someday they will have a bad day and shoot you, or maybe you should save your life as word doc so when you die you don’t lose anything… it’s not about the data it’s about Israel security behaviors’ they are above the law, they can do whatever they want, they will shoot you or destroy your stuff for any reason from real risk to just because they don`t like you or because your Arabic keyboard stickers or showing the world what they try to hide.
There is no excuse for what happened there, it was done because of pure hatred.. , and by the way.. it happen on a daily basses…Police brutality..
Well said, Eyal.
Three words:
External
Hard
Drive
If you’ve got years of work on your laptop without a backup, you’re luckier that you haven’t been burned by a dead disk than that the bullets missed your drive.
Glad you were able to recover your data though. Now back it up 🙂
As an Israeli citizen, I am sorry to hear about this incident. There was no reason whatsoever to destroy your laptop. The IDF could have screened your bag with the regular x-ray machine and verify that there was no explosives there, end of story.
However, blaming the entire Israeli security forces based on this incident is wrong. There are no rules and regulations designed to destroy other people’s property. The army is comprised of regular people, the vast majority of of them rational and good. You probably had the bad luck on stumbling on a jack ass who took matters in a very wrong way.
Security forces all around the world make mistakes. Living in NYC for 6 years, I can attest that the NYPD has a group of fine people. But the fact is that NYPD policemen did occasionally shoot the wrong guy and used excessive force for no just reason. This does not mean the NYPD shoots first and asks later. It just means the NYPD is a large organization with the unavoidable bad apples here and there.
So saying something like ‘they shoot children, so why not my laptop’ is a gross misrepresentation of the facts. You can say that about any army, let alone the US army in Iraq.
So as an Israeli I am both sorry for what you had gone through and offended at what I perceive an insult to my country. I do hope you get compensated and hope you can see reality in a more balanced way.
It’s normal here in Israel. The word democracy it’s absolutely not about this country. The ‘terrorism threat’ lets government, army and police do whatever they wont with everybody, to blow you laptop for example… its weird.
Every day Israel kidnaps more and more dead due to terrorists and Arabs.
We arrived at the situation of that all of little thing seems us suspicious.
This is not there was okay what happened but to tell that we kill children and unarmed people really but really not right! Thatis lie!
(Written with the help of the software to the translation, Babylon8)
Two comments if I may.
First, always have a backup of any important files. Keep it physically seperate, if at all possible, in another site completely. (Hey, buildings burn down and whatnot.)
Second, shooting at something that may have explosives or bio/chemical agents in it is just asking to be killed by it. The experts would never do that, and I would guess that an Israeli agent should have had that basic training. So those (insert favorite expletive) jerks were just doing it to harass you.
If you’re curious where I’m coming from with those statements, I’ll fill in just a little bit. First of all, I’m a bit of a computer geek that’s done lots of tech support in recovery situations. You wouldn’t believe how many people don’t have backups of the their critical data. Secondly, I was in the U.S.A.F. as a Munitions Systems Specialist. So although I don’t in any way claim to be an expert, I do know a little about some of the stuff involved.
Stupid side note. Most modern explosives used in military bombs are very stable and will only be set off by another explosion. (Hollywood has it all wrong.) However, the fuses in those bombs are less stable.
Of course, terrorists probably aren’t that worried about safety and probably use the less stable stuff since it’s easier to detonate. The little bit that actually leaks into the news seems to support that guess.
They should, at the very least, replace your laptop and give you an apology.
One comment if I May:
Any of you who thinks the 3 holes in the laptop occured when “an 18 years old” security guard pulled out a handgun from his belt and shot 3 rounds at the laptop in the middle of the terminal have seen way too many movies. Those holes came from a shotgun mounted on a remote-controled police robot. The suspected object is taken to an open field and there the bomb squad specialist decides to blow it or not from his remote control consule. All the comments here about “idiots risking other people at the act” are sheer ignorence.
In an Islamic-dominated country, the people for whom your heart bleeds would have shot you and kept the laptop.
Maybe if you didn’t support terrorists and make up lies about Israel and patriotic Jews, you’d have a happier life.
What’s impressive is that the bullet holes didn’t go through the bottom of the case. Perhaps we should get rid of expensive Kevlar vests and equip all our forces with MacBook Pro’s! 🙂
Im sorry to hear that. Thinking of you 🙂
****PRESS REQUEST*****
Hi Lily
I’m not sure you’re able to keep up with your comments, but if you read this can you contact me.
I’m a London-based Feature Editor looking to get your pictures published in newspapers and magazines. It’s an amazing story.
Regards
Dean
This sounds crazy for a checkpoint procedure. Any descent security guy knows that presumable explosive or chemical device must be seized an put in a secure manner in an isolated place awaiting EOD team to check and eventualy disable it. Firing bullets on it is just like trying to make it blow as explosive/cbrn are unstable by nature! A trained NATO soldier will never act like this even in Irak or Afghanistan when confronted to IED/suspicous material.
I’m glad they didn’t put three bullets through you!
Writing this comment on the same model ‘late 2008’ macbook as you.
Freedom never came for free.
This is completely understandable – the people of Israel no doubt expect retaliation for their illegal occupation of the last few decades so they need to take extreme measures to protect their untenable position.
The far more sustainable solution is to simply stop occupying land that isn’t yours (something confirmed by the whole world, apart from the US).
I guess peace of mind means nothing.
Wow Lee, you really are a racist. And ignorant as well.
Please read some history and research some facts. And then come back to apologize.
Lots of luck to you – you’re going to need it, with your attitude and intelligence level.
It’s clear that you’re using the term racist as an insult rather than an accurate characterization of what little you know of me from my post. One might wonder why you would feel the need to insult me. Why not, for example, post a few paragraphs explaining how Israel isn’t a terrorist state supported by the US. If I’m so wrong, explain how.
Clearly the tone of my post in no way suggests racism. Rather, it suggests intolerance of imperialism and hypocrisy.
You should offer to send this to Apple with your story. Maybe they can stick it in a museum or something in 20 years time.
Wow, everything Israeli sure is a flammable subject.
I’m Swedish, by the way, and of a jewish family traceable back to at least the late sixteenth century. So while I don’t consider myself jewish, at least it would be hard for me to be antisemitic.
With that out of the way, and beeing completely OT, it always strikes me as odd when the answer to “you did wrong” is “yeah, but he did wronger”. Let’s face it. The state of Israel is behaving lika absolute pigs towards Palestine, occuping their territory, building illegal settlements and so forth. On the Palestinian side in turn there are terrorists and wide-spread antismitism.
But there are reasons to hold the Israelis more responsible. If nothing else because they have a functioning state, claiming to be a (western) democracy, and therefore should be held to a higher standard.
However, let’s set the political and legal discussion aside for a moment. There is really no wonder violence is an everyday thing in Israel and Palestine (or, for that matter, many other areas of conflict in the world). I’d wager that a very large portion of the young on both sides of the conflict are traumatised. The Israeli probably have no real hope of ever being able to relax, the palestnians probably have no hope of a better life. And if you take away someones hope they can become very, very dangerous, ’cause without hope you’ve got nothing to loose.
It is basically the situation of a gated community next to a ghetto. No way in hell theres going to be peace.
In short. This conflict is far to complex to be solved by finger pointing, let alone military measures. It takes legal, social and economic steps on both sides I think.
I can assure you Laban, you truly are anti-semitic. I guess the infusion of ‘Jewish blood’ all those years back didn’t provide you with a heart, a mind, or a soul.
By yours reasoning, we should let serial killers go free because they’re ‘not as responsible’ as the rest of us. So I guess people in Israel should not bother to protect themselves against terror attacks and juts let themselves be killed.
Here are some websites for you to look at: http://www.camera.org, www. virtualjewishlibrary.org, http://www.teachkidspeace.org, http://www.scholarsforpeace.net.
Take a look. Then come back to apologize.
Oh,my poor girl,you have fallen victim to those monster Zionist agents,and their tools of destruction.
Let me tell you a story.I forgot my bag once in a bus station here in Israel.Bomb squad robot (the same one that did this to your bag,security guards don’t go on rampaging and shooting stuff) blew it up.I was a soldier of IDF at the same time (no,I’m not a monster,neither I like killing little kids and drinking their blood).I was a soldier going home,and bomb squad blew my bag.
I did not had a camera with pictures of poor and oppressed around the globe,I did not had any Arabic stickers in my bag,nor post stamps from Lebanon and Syria.All I got in my bag was a bunch of dirty underwear and uniforms.And I think you can see where I’m going with this.
So,no maam,no one is getting his revenge on you.I am really sorry for discomfort caused to you by our security forces.But they do it for a reason,and you would be more than happy to thank them,if there was a real bomb at the terminal,about to blow.
Every unattended luggage in Israel,is dealt according to “suspected luggage” procedure.Which in the end may leave a few bullet holes in your baggage(they are fired from a bomb squad robot,and intended to detonate the charge).Most of those procedures were “written in blood” (meaning,the development of the procedures is not artificial,but someone lost his life for the change of procedures).Security forces here take their job seriously,and they don’t take any chances.If there is any chance of explosive device,they will blow it up.
That is the harsh reality Israel is living in.
If you think they were treating you unreasonably,you can always press charges to Israeli Police headquarters.I am sorry again,I know what inconvenience it can be when someone shoots your laptop 🙂 (no,I don’t,actually).And if you think you were mistreated,you shouldn’t be quiet about it,and as a matter of fact,raise hell if you think you are right.Unlike what some people here write (Khader and Mohammad,oh,what a surprise),no one will shoot you.
Last thing,you are not the only one that passes threw this checkpost.There are tons of people crossing both ways in a year,yet I’m sure that most of them get their Macbook safe (and why on earth Macbook?).So,yet another point to ponder on.
those bastards!! always in for some trouble at the check in! that’s why i don’t visit them anymore!
Hell of a way to learn about keeping backups. Glad your ok and I really have no desire to ever visit Isreal/Palastine after reading this and the responses going back and forth. It’s just too messed up over there.
How sad that after 5000 years of having to tolerate people being total assholes to them, all that the Jews have learned is how to be total assholes to others.
Assholes.
You are a sick, sick (and foul-mouthed) person.
Maybe but he’s also clearly speaking the truth, which is presumably why you are insulting him. Truth hurts, huh?
PS. It shows huh completely twisted your society is that you think that it’s OK to forcibly occupy territory to which you have no claim but are offended at ‘naughty words’.
Surely there must be some small part of your rationality remaining which sees that what I say is true?
What makes me mad is the lack of respect the officers in Israel have to people who are not israeli (sometimes even with israeli). It’s no different from countries with dicatorships where the officer almost take all your clothes off just to check if you have something suspicious. The police in Brazil do the same thing, the difference is that in Brazil we always no someone, maybe a lawyer, a higher police officer, etc.
You obviously haven’t been to Israel, or most likely anywhere else for that matter. And it sounds like you get off on fantasizing about stripping for authority figures.
There are plenty of supervisors, lawyers, etc. in Israel, thank you.
It’s true that Israelis in general are sometimes not as ‘polite’ as people in some other places. Perhaps you would rather go to one of those dictatorships you think of so fondly and see how well people there would treat you.
Moral of the story… stay the hell out of the middle east
Hi,
I’m truly sorry for what has happened but you must please try and understand our side.
We in Israel deal every with fear of terror attacks every day.
and UNATTENDED bag could very likely be a bomb.
therefore, we won’t open it but rater not take any risks (based on past events).
As you came and you live in Egypt you are suspicious.
You left an unattended bag.
They should of first announce that there was an unattended bag before they shot it that i agree but i think that they did a good job after all.
I hope you can get a laptop from the government and I’m pleased to hear that your work has been saved.
-Guy
“What….all my client case notes and testimony, writing, pictures, music and applications. Years of work. NO!!!!”
One word: Backup.
What happened to your laptop is stupendous, those officers are morons and the resulting biblical-sized israepalastinjewzionsemiarabic discussion is idiotic and tiring.
If these officers are interested in shooting or blowing up another laptop I am willing to supply one. But I would suggest to them to use this time a thermo-nuclear device of sufficient strength to vaporise the whole of the middle east to make end to this unrelentless hate mongering puss bag of a region. Peace at last!
Put this thing on ebay, you’ll definitely get a good price for it.
Wow. I’m looking at my MacBook now after just having passed through security and, I have to say, I feel kinda lucky.
I see that you already appreciate the power of backups 🙂 I’d like to add to that, it would be awesome if you could rsync your data (rsync is built into Mac OS X) over an encrypted connection (also just with technology built into OS X) to a server in some other, and if you can find one, neutra, country (Ireland, Switzerland?). Rsync only transfers what has changed so once you push the initial hundred gigs, the rest is only very minor traffic.
Phew it’s just a macbook!
I spent two summers teaching at The Hebrew University in Jerusalem. My first trip into Ben Gurion I was held up in security at Tel-Aviv for 12 hours, despite paperwork from the University explaining the purpose of my visit along w/ contact info for my sponsor, without access to any food and only a water fountain to use.
But what really disturbed me is that there was a family of American-Palestinians, going to visit their relations, who were in the security holding area when I got there and there when I left – and they were not provided anything beyond this same water fountain either.
There is very overt intimidation to discourage certain people from going to the Israel. I appreciate that there are very real security concerns, but this is way too often used as an excuse to forward morally bankrupt political, social, religious, and ethnic agendas.
I have many Israeli & Jewish friends, but my first experience in Israel is only one of many sad truths about the land.
You should really really really really back up your work on an external hard drive. They’re really cheap.
Next time use LINUX , windows sucks 😉
Most likely the word was past on about the pictures on the camera and some of the guards may have decided to exercise “security measures” on their own initiative.
It happens, seen it in a few countries other then Israel. ( Akin to stripping a vehicle on the US/Canada border after some ill timed comments from the owner.)
Left luggage near border crossing.
Shot at to eliminate the risk of a bomb.
I see no mistake here. Could happen all over the world, especially in high risk areas. Not only areas where militant criminals uses the name of Allah to justify their killings and power plays, directly against the word of the quran.
The big mistake here is not having a backup copy, and almost losing years of work. If my computer disintegrates, I will lose no more than a few days of work.
A lot of israeli feedback about palestinians being terrorists.
Israelis also resorted to terrorist actions in order to force the creation of israel. The “Irgun” is one example. Their terrorist deeds were against the British. The bombing of King David Hotel in jerusalem in 1946. In 1947 The Irgun kidnapped and hanged two british soldiers Martin and Paice.
I guess the answer is that the oppressed will always find a means usually violent to fight for their freedom.
Had the Israelis also just sat and behaved like good pets, i doubt that it would have led to the creation of Israel. It seems pompous for Israelis to think that arabs should also just sit back and behave while they are fed scraps in the ghettos.
“Had the Israelis also just sat and behaved like good pets, i doubt that it would have led to the creation of Israel.”
Yeah, I love when Gandhi boarded a bus in London, screamed “Krishna Akbar” and blew himself up. Violence was the only way to achieve Indian independence.
Why all the fuss about the hard drive being intact?
You could just restore your backups to the new computer when you got it.
You do have backups of all of your “…client case notes and testimony, writing, pictures, music and applications,” right? I find it difficult to believe in this day and age that a supposedly intelligent young woman who’s working as a legal assistant would be so stupid as to travel with a laptop containing the only copies of things she considers her life’s work.
Just one thing… the rest of the world don’t give a fuck to the Israel X Palestin conflict.
I’m south american and when a hear new’s like this i just think, explode them all and there… the problem’s gone!
Stupid conflit + Stupid peaple = Stupid attitudes
Thanks God in my country theres some Israeli and Palestin immigrants and they live well together as friends, and they are also ashamed of the conflits.
This is a made up story. Israel security does not operate in this way
So, eventually this comment thread became a scene of the holy wars aswell. Did somebody actually read through all that bullshit… I´m more confused than ever. 😀 Both sides have their heads showed up their own asses, so deep. Will we people ever learn to cut the bullshit and just get along?
Sorry for your laptop, Lily… there´s no logical explanation in my mind for what they did to it.
just another dead macbook
Its funny… you present this as if they did this out of spite…
where is the bag your laptop was in?? 3 bullet holes means your bag was left unattended, and was suspect… in order to make sure its not a bomb, a robot with a triple barrel shotgun hit it with a blast in order to set off any possible explosives…
this wasn’t a 2 minute thing, there must have been alot of time going by…
standard security maneuver… it happens all the time in Israel where someones bag gets blown up… boo hoo… enough of your ignorance… maybe they were just disgusted by your assimilated lefty pansy attitude.
Only good thing about this story is now I know not to try and hide behind a MacBook when some psycho muslim starts shooting…
just a site note on this behaviour there in that country:
we are rigth now at number 27…..
resolutions of the UN security counsel against israel not spoken out becouse of the veto right of the USA ..think about that .. who’s fault is that shit going on there?! rethorical question
Whatever. You probably were a total wise ass to the soldiers and they didn’t want to take your shit. so they took it out on your laptop. and its obvious its what you wanted because you used this as the excuse to get the entire internet going “Oh Israel your so evil for blowing up the trouble making girl’s laptop!”. But who cares anyway, your just letting the idiots show how stupid they are by blaming an entire country for the action of a few young soldiers you probably purposely pissed the fuck off. i bet if you pissed off the soldiers in an Arab country they’d put 3 bullets through you, let alone the laptop mommy and daddy bought you. shut the fuck up and quit fooling around with the lives of 7 million people surrounded by hundreds of millions of enemy’s. Go to Gaza and cry for them, they’ll prob kidnap you and decapitate you for being white (barely). And the rest of you non-Israeli’s u don’t know shit and believe everything you see on TV, and for the Israeli’s your way too fucking nice to her. She asked for it and she’s probably telling half the story here.
Hi,
I think that it’s must be misunderstanding.
You might was less cooperative than in your post but never the less deserve compensation for your loss
I advice you to contact IAA which is the organization in charge of all border passes
http://www.iaa.gov.il/Rashat/en-US/Rashot/MakeAcontact/
I hope you will have better stay and welcome when ( if) you will visit again
Dror
You want to talk about stupid? I was traveling from Jamaica to Florida. The plane would leave Kingston, on the South Coast of Jamaica, fly to Montego Bay, on the North Coast of Jamaica, then to Florida.
I WAS SEARCHED FOUR TIMES BEFORE I LEFT JAMAICA.
I had to go through the shoe thing, the put everything in a basket, the step through the x ray, as I entered Norman Manley Airport. I had to do this again as I left Norman Manley airport. I did it AGAIN when we landed in Montego Bay, (must have been assumed I hopped out of the plane in mid air) and the F O U R T H time I was searched was trying to get on the plane leaving Montego Bay after walking from my Third Search along a corridor in an airport to my fourth.
At least you were in Israel, which has some reason to be suspicious…explain why one would be searched four times leaving Jamaica.
I think the ultimate takeaway here is that Macs are awesome.
It has been said before, but I say it again. Back up. A hard drive can fail any time. Keep two backups of your data in two physically separate locations. Because if you loose your laptop you would otherwise only have one copy left, without backup. Two should be enough for almost any situation. Sincerely, if you do not back up, it’s completely your own fault.
Sorry to hear about your laptop. You have to understand, there were a lot of terror cases in the Israeli borders in the last years. In one case, just ~2 weeks ago, an arab lady stabbed an Israeli police officer. There were alot of other cases where arab teenagers would blow on the border or attack officers. Israeli officers take no chances. But this is a reaction to terror: When did you see or hear about a jew blowing up in a German resturant, huh?
This is why the police is so sensitive over here. You have to understand that no one shot your laptop out of joy or because this is what isrealis do – it’s because of the situation with the arab terror. I know this doesn’t sound right, but let me tell you – when i fly in the US, the police there interogates more or less the same way and it changed after 9/11 – now I get a special treatment as well….If we didn’t have Islamic terror in the world then innocent people like you and me would travel more safely. Bottom line is never ever leave unattended belongings, especially in a terror struck place like an Israeli border.
I hope that they would replace you laptop and if people here want to organize i will be happy to donate money to buy you a new laptop.
But why do I get the feeling however, that you present your case as if the Israeli police shot your laptop just because this is what they usually do. This is not fair. And i’m sorry if you think this is true.
Anyways, jews don’t have horns. We do not drink blood and we do noot shoot Palestinian kids. Extreme circumstances require extreme measures – and i’m sorry again that you were a victime of that.
OMG! Laptop of a U.S citizens was hit!
ah, someone talked about Palestinians being hit by bombs and bullets. Forget it!
Did the US owner of the Laptop became unhappy?!
Israeli border guards are insane. Anyone who has been subject to their arbitrariness can sympathize with you. Like I was, leaving the country last summer. Hope your trip improves.
Clearly they thought the laptop was harboring a Hamas mortar team.
Has anybody noted the insane caliber the laptop was shot with? I mean, a pistol caliber would have been plausible, those holes look more like .50 caliber impacts to me.. Why would they do that, your story is completely rediculous!
Too bad the Roman Empire aint around anymore.. that way they could invade the region again and impose civilization on these people.
That looks so cool 😉
Every MAC should come in this “Rugged Edition” :]
Sometimes life’s stranger than fiction…
Hi Lili
My name is Keren Neubach and I host a daily radio show in the Israeli radio, rehet bet.
We would like to talk with you on the show about the incident.
If you can contact us in the attached mail, it would be great.
thans a lot, hope you enjoyed your stay in Israel.
Keren
On the comments in the Haaretz article there is the following: “What I know of security procedures is that this woman was asked to demonstrate, that the box was a laptop. then when she couldn`t open the lid nor activate the OS, she raised enough suspicion for destroying the box. This procedure is also followed for cell-phones.” Is this true? If so, there seems to be grounds for suspicion.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1135243.html
> if they were worried it would “blow up” they wouldn’t
> have tried to set off the explosive by shooting at it.
On the contrary, that’s *exactly* what they were trying to do.
I’m not saying it was justified in this case, but if you’re thinking “if you suspect it’s a bomb you should try to diffuse it” you’ve been watching entirely too many movies. The practical way to handle a small bomb (not a thermonuclear device, just a normal garden-variety hand-carried bomb, such as the kind terrorists commonly use in the real world) is to deliberately detonate it in a controlled situation. It’s safer than the other options.
Why they thought this laptop was a bomb is another question. They should have been able to verify that the traveler has extended family living in Israel, among other things. They were probably jumpy because of some other unrelated event earlier in the day or week, or something (not that that’s a good excuse).
you can boot a mac in target disc mode … no need for her password.
Dumb bitch, you should really learn to do backups! How can one be THAT dumb?!
Wow Craig you sound like such a nice person, or not you actually sound like exactly what you accuse her of being.
Your kind are what makes the internet sooooooo interesting to read…… not
Crawl back under your bridge!
Everything in your story is suspicious !
Of course an isreali soldier would be as well when all you have in your belongings is related to palestine, and arab content. Remember you were in Israel !!!!!
Your story is useless you are just trying to create controversy !
Great public relations.
I can hardly wait for the era of wearable and implantable computers. 😉
I’ve been harassed every time I’ve visited Israel for business. I’ve convinced that they spy on foreigners, copying contacts and pricing, technical data, etc. What makes it worse is that Israel citizens deny it goes on. I even had a major CEO in Israel write a letter to help prevent harassment but the “kids” at the airport security line just discarded it. You have to get to the airport 2 or 3 hours early if you don’t have an Israeli or dual-citizenship passport.
You probably didn’t suffer enough from terror to understand the security implications of terrorist on a plane for example
How many times did you have buses flying in the air on a crowded street?
Just to broaden your knowledge I advice you to read the following story
http://www.shabak.gov.il/english/history/affairs/pages/anne-mariemurphycase.aspx
I know that the questions and procedures might look harrassing but this is the reality we have to face
Actually, you have to get there that early even if you do have an Israeli passport. We are very serious about security. Do you not realize that there have been many terror attacks?
And stop whining about being “harrassed”. The CEO’s letter means nothing to the guards, nor should it. Anyone can fake a letter.
I do not believe you are a business person, much less one who is allowed to travel as their company’s representative. You sound more like an 11-year old posseur.
Actually, the trick is to get to Ben Gurion with very little time before your flight. The earlier you get there, the more time you give security to go through your stuff.
I got there about an hour and fifteen minutes before my flight, and though I was labeled as the highest security level, they hustled me through very quickly when they realized my departure time was coming up fast. I still got all of my bags checked, strip searched twice, and personally escorted to the gate, but I only had to endure it for 45 minutes. Very rarely do they cause passengers to miss flights because of security.
I hope Arab will use u as walking bumb and some how by misstake the bomb will go off then we will have real fun to watch u and ur friend blow up
It’s quite funny how everyone acts when they know absolutely zero about Israeli life in the last decade. Suicide bus bombings, killing hundreds in less than a week. Nightclub bombings, wedding bombings, barmitzva/batmiztva bombiings, cafe bombings, etc.
In the course of 10 years, a few thousand Israelis, Americans, and Arabic citizens were killed in Israel. But of course the incident in Gaza with civilians dying and such was such a harsh reality, that bombs sometimes do not hit their intended target.
Keep in mind, the soldiers do these things in precaution. A computer was lost and you have to get a new one, thankfully nobody was killed. At least you have your hard-drive and your life. Unfortunately they thought wrong when deciding to destroy your laptop. In the end they were just protecting their family, friends, neighbors and citizens.
In ending, it wasn’t right what happened to you, absolutely. Is it right to accuse Israel of killing children purposefully and targetting civilian areas? No it isn’t. Unless you have proof, please don’t assume silly things like that. The Gaza incident was one, while all the civilians killed and broken families are way worse, and I do not condone the acts of Gaza in 2009.
G-d Bless and I hope they compensate you for the destroyed laptop and give a written or spoken apology. Please do not think ill-willed of every Israeli Jew, we are not all like you may think.
xoxo Adam
A lot of you try to make it seem like this is ok to have happen. IT iS NOT OK! the laptop was not unattended but it had arab stickers and the word fuck and either the star of david or isreal sticker close by. you need to rem that they are stealing land and killing arabs for no damn reason. like when the group of settlers busted into a home and threw the people out. yes ,yes hamas uses children and they blow people up but so do you. why dont you all just try to get along for once and stop being dicks to each other. both counties are Wrong . sorry about your laptop.
you know what?? before you post anything here learn about us!
we (isreal) cant just “get along” they want our country, all of it!
and they wont stop! they will bomb us to death (and nowl comes nukes!)
and anther thing – even if we coud make pice between the counties still the arabs are 6 times all the jews in isreal witch means on the sec we will complite the peace there be more popultion of arans then jews IN A JEWS country!
– sorry about a bad english
This is gonna be my new wallpaper. I love to see macs destroyed… 🙂
Now just watch as I start the Windows vs Mac argument and this single blog post has touched on the 2 most controversial topics in the world…
Windows Rules !!!!
Luckily they did not hit your battery.
It likely would have exploded.
This can happen if you travel to the third world. Better stay in civilized areas.
Can Apple fix the laptop?
*duckandcover* 😉
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lol, i posted this on twitter, lily..where i found it reposted as an internal link in another blog. Just now, i have glanced at the many comments here, and mostly i feel people miss the obvious. No one shot at the laptop to defuse a bomb, which some posters assumed. Obviously it was cleared of explosives. Also, while they may have been young, they are drilled in how to drill down, which is the only real security–getting to know people. When they took your computer outside and literally shot it (lol, yes it was cowboy but so efficient!!) they no doubt eradicated the entire issue. There was no way to clear your content, esp since it sounds like you did not or could not speak fluently with them. Did they make a point? Yes, that the cyber operates in the material world, and if your laptop had any hate, it was def cleared right then and there. Do we have a right to a dissenting voice, yes. Are we a physical reality that needs to be cleared by security to enter their home? Again, yes. Their inability to use discretion about your computer contents is a strange testimony to your privacy. Your advice to back up your work on the internet was well conveyed. Thank you~njoyed.
No one shot at the laptop to defuse a bomb, which some posters assumed. Obviously it was cleared of explosives.
There’s nothing obvious about it. This is a very dangerous assumption to make. That there weren’t any explosives doesn’t mean it was obviously cleared. If you can’t tell, then you have to assume that it is a bomb, especially in a place where there is an organized state trying to smuggle artfully disguised bombs in, and that state has a penchant for using unusual bombers, like women and foreigners.
shooting a girl’s laptop just because your paranoia tells you that it might be a bomb is WRONG
laying claim on a piece of land because GOD gave it to you is WRONG
killing 1300 civilians in 3 weeks for no reason is WRONG
shooting rockets at harmless citizens and cities is WRONG
building colonies against U.N. resolutions is WRONG
blowing yourselves up at busstations in the name GOD is WRONG
people, for f***’s sake: WAKE UP!
learn to live together! it’s not that difficult!
Mouthing off about something you know nothing about is wrong.
Showing your stupidity in public is wrong.
Shouting in capital letters is wrong.
Please stop.
Terrorismo puro. Minha solidariedade.
Mad mad mad. All this because of religion and people who follow it blindly.
I’m just a guy on the outside, looking in at this, but even I think there was a little overreaction here.
Like most of the folks above me, I’m going to suggest that you use some sort of not-on-the-computer based backup that you can leave in a safe place, or get to over a secure connection. Be it the Cloud, a flash drive, an external hard drive, whatever.
I humbly suggest counting your blessings that the three slugs they used managed to not hit your hard drive.
Having dealt with the military in this country, where certain hard drives are “Old Yeller’d” in that same manner to decrease the chances of data being recovered, I know that a slug or two through the platters would have been a tear-inducing incident, even more so than just through the laptop itself.
Here’s hoping that they will at least replace your laptop with something comparable to what you have.
Well they missed the hard drive so your data should be save indeed. The hard drive is in the right lower corner of that model. No bullets hit anywhere close. Just take it out, pop it into and external enclosure and transfer to new Mac.
The fact they gave it back to you means that they just wanted to show that they didn’t like you or your answers. MAFIA style warning not to show up again. That happens if low IQ meets uncontrolled gun enabled self importance. If they suspect subversive content they would have send it to intelligence. If explosives are suspected, shooting it from close range like that is a very stupid thing to do. Lucky they didn’t shoot you. Tensions are really high at that border.
Wow! Just imagine what they do to the poor Palestiniant families. They take their land and homes away from them, and put a jewish american extremist in the house.
They also kill any Palestinian at will, mother, child and grandmother.
They deny a good education, food, and healthcare for the Palestinians.
There is no good reason to *shoot* a laptop, ever.
If it contains sensitive data, it should be seized.
If it contains explosives, it needs to be correctly and safely destroyed.
If it contains drugs, it needs to be seized.
Regardless of explosive type and other information.
Clearly they failed to:
a) discover explosives
b) destroy data
c) determine guilt of any sort
There seems to be no reason for doing this, other than a desire to discharge a weapon.
The moment it is left unattended the chance for it to not be destroyed is 0. It doesn’t take more than 5 minutes for police to arrive and destroy an unattended bag.
It doesn’t matter who she is, I saw police destroying bags that were left by soldiers and they had to go to their base for a few weeks without any belongings. They never check what the bag contains before the robot shoots at it since it is too dangerous.
P.S. I know she was told to put the laptop in that place but there’s no way she was told to leave it unattended. Anything left unattended is a suspected bomb and gets shot by the robot.
The reply of Eli was the most ignorant reply ever^^ If someone shoots my laptop for NO reason i would probably turn green and get really really strong^^
And Eli , like the media your are reading/viewing is not biased^^ The Israeli do shoot children and unarmed people , and thats not because Hamas is using them as a shield^^ And what about that wall you guys build ? I know what your answer is , its for our protection against palestina terrorist , but you know why they are terrorist , because you took there land^^ I would be pissed to , im no jew or arab , but to be honest , if you look to it objective , the arabs are quite right to be very very pissed at the jews , you took land , jobs , life , everything from them^^ Israel is not a rightful country ! The only correct name for that part of the world is PALESTINA^^ So be fair , and get the fuck out of there and give the land back to the rightfull owners ! And if thats to difficult at least SHARE the land with the rightfull owners , its not because some fairytale book says its your promised land that it is actually true , or do you take Snowwhite and the seven dwarfs also for a real story ? ^^
Dirty Zionist Land Stealing SCUM…they are so petty…I had a similar thing happen when I flew from Egypt to Tel Aviv on business, but they didn’t shoot my laptop…They have the bomb and refuse to sign the nonproliferation treat so dont give me any bull$h1t about the poor defenseless Israelis…they are the destabilizing force in the M.E. not the Arabs…is it not enough that we fight their dirty wars, is it not enough that our service men go and die for their agendas…people need to understand the USA is a puppet of the Zionists…Our government was bought and paid for years ago…research AIPAC before you flame away…I am NOT anti Jew as I find their religion based in peace (same with Islam BTW)…I am however anti Zionist…wait till they get the UN to give them YOUR land and we will see how you react….you may now flame away…. http://www.whatreallyhappened.com prisonplanet.com
macbook deserved it
Hey, is it another case of self-destructive macintosh product?
Arrh
Israel is an apartheid state, end of story.
Incidentally the very large diameter holes appear to be caused by simple foster style rifled slugs from a 12 gauge shotgun. Suppourted additionally by the soft lead they left on the edges of the holes.
I have heard of these being used by various enforcement agencies to disable suspected explosive ordinance, suspicious packages, etc. Although in this application it appears punitive. 😦
Did the security guard happen to be muttering the phrase “I’m a PC”?
they’re just jumpy because of all the land they’ve stolen.
Guess these guards in Israel read xkcd too…
http://xkcd.com/651/
What beautiful Elektra stamp/sticker, Lily!
I spent four months living in Tel Aviv while travelling in the region. Even though my husband was working there, and even though he and I both had visas, border crossings took hours.
The main thing that expedited our travel was a letter from my husband’s employer which registered our travel with the country. It is the easiest way to get in and out of the country, regardless of what you are carrying. Whoever you are seeing in the country needs to register with the state. The document should contain your Israeli visa number. Carry their printed reply with you and hand it to security at the beginning of questioning.
It will cut your time in half and you will not lose anything valuable.
P.S. Israel has a harsh border entry requirements because people want to kill Israelis. That’s the bottom line. Living in Egypt, I would assume that you would already be aware of the huge hatred that many have for Israelis. your own ignorance and pride caused you to lose your laptop. You should be aware of a country’s ways before you visit.
Very sad that the Jewish people who have been subjected to such horrible things through history have (as a sociiety) twisted themselves so far that they are doing many of the same horrible things to the non-Jewish people around them. Israel has every right to defend itself but how is stealing land and bulldozing houses any different than the stealing of property and businesses that the Natzi’s did?
Thats what you get for being arab scum, they should have shot you and thrown you into a lake.
Israel is the new “America the stupid”
This is why police men in Israel are jumpy! Is this the same border you were crossing? This even took place 2 weeks ago.
Quote: “The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews)….” Islamic Resistance Movement
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp
Stop spreading lies about Israel! Seek the truth and not what the media and pro Islam feed you.
Apple would be most displeased at this story they might even give you a new Mac for free send the story to them.
You should have multiple backups in multiple different locations and on multiple different forms of media. If your life’s work and collection of music/pictures/data is on your laptop only which you take all over the world with you, you’re asking for trouble.
When you get home, I advise you to buy some DVD Rs and an external hard disk.
When a suspected explosive device has been identified, it is common to shoot it.
In Israeli cities, Sappers use a remote-controlled robot to pick up the suspected device. Many bombs are designed to explode when moved. If this test fails, the robot is equipped with a “gun” that shoots the package several times.
It’s likely that Lilly did many things to cause the guards to become concerned. Knowing a little about her anti-Israel views, it’s reasonable to think she intentionally provoked the guards.
Lilly and others who think like her need to move to Egypt or Saudi Arabia.
israel brauch endlich eine zivilregierung. statt freundschaft mit den usa, freundschaft mit seinen nachbarn!!
wolf
I am developing a new kevlar laptop for exactly these types of situations. Can also be use as a shield in battles and small skirmishes.
This is truly shameful of the Israeli military.
The problem here is lack of the Rule of Law.
The State is extraordinarily powerful. It is vastly more powerful than you or I, as individuals. How do we retain our freedom in this situation? by the Rule of Law; that the actions of the State are defined and prescribed by *law*, such that the behaviour of the State can be predicted in advance – so we all know where we stand, what the State can do and what it cannot do.
We could pass a law which gave the State arbitrary power – a law which for example lets the State censor or block web-sites which, say, ‘promote terrorism’. The problem is that now we granted the State a power which is unpredictable; we cannot know what the State will do. It’s all *legal* – there’s a law which says it’s okay – but this is not the Rule of Law. This is the Rule of State, for the State is deciding what it will do – not the Law.
In this situation, these border guards, the law which defines their behaviour does not adhere to the Rule of Law. It is the Rule of Border Guards. They can – legally – do as they pretty much please. The fact they can do so means you are not free, for they are far more powerful than you and possess, through the State, the means to force you to obey or suffer the consequences.
It is common these days for people and Governments to completely ignore the Rule of Law and imagine that because a law is passed which says something can be done, then it’s legal and is valid. That is democratic dictatorship.
Another aspect of this problem of course is that there is no due process (e.g. the Rule of Law, as expressed via the courts and the process of bringing evidence and finding someone guilty or innocent) by which these guards decide if you are guilty or innocent. They make it up for themselves. That’s not the Rule of Law – that’s the Rule of the Police.
This is fucking crazy. Time Machine!!!
Sooo nice to see this bunch of racists crawling out of the waterhole to wave torches and chant incantations a-la “burn the Jews”.
Truth is that where several hundreds people were killed by bombs leaving your luggage un attended is plain stupid. I’d rather have Security soot it then taking the chance it’s hot wired.. hay, wait – that is exactly what they did!
For those claiming we’ve stolen our land – sorry, but we’ve been here over 2ky ago. Don’t believe this? Well, there is not even ONE serious source claiming otherwise. Take you antisemitism and die with it. You won this.
Wow, Haretz used exactly the same pictures! What are the odds of that? What a wierd coincidence. My guess is they found explosives residue on the laptop. There is something the blogger is not telling us.
welcome to the world, it’s a scary place. you are almost as smart as the group that went backpacking in the iranian mountains or the journalists that decided to go across the border of n. korea to show the world how terrible they were. words like “right”, “fair”, and “legal” don’t mean squat in most places. your are lucky that’s all that happened to you.
Ok, let’s stand back a little and ponder on it.
While we do so, I want to relate a rather famous story about an old, and I mean old, like in her 80s or more, American woman who, shortly after 9/11, was harassed on a plane (kicked off the plane, arrested, or some other type of thing, I don’t remember now exactly what, but…) because of, hold tight, two crocheting long needles she had in her handbag.
Yes, this is what the new world of terror threats does to us all. Blame the Islamo Fascists, and I’m not kidding here, I’m serious about it. They turned our world upside down.
Now, imagine Israel w its life and death troubles, not some old lady in an American plane, you coming from Egypt, practically an enemy country for Israel, pics that only you and the security guys know what they were really, and you can get the answer to your unfortunate experience.
If the Americans haressed an old woman for two long needles, how much more are the Israelis in their own rights to do some similar actions in the face of more serious impressions?
18 yrs old or not, the soldiers are very good at what they do, and they save lives, sometimes on your expenses but rarely w/o cause.
And think about it, they offered on the spot to compensate you, they weren’t rude and bullish all in all, a woman soldier dealt w you out of gender considerations, cause I know them, as everyone who’s been to Israel knows, it’s their rules.
So you had an unpleasant experience, very much so, but I bet my last dollar that they had some good reason, I mean that something raised their suspicion on you.
And all your life work is there in the hard drive, so all is well, and you can think about how lucky the Israelis are, and you and your family among them, that their security is so alert and efficient in their way. They cause personal troubles w it sometimes, but living is an expensive thing nowadays.
I’m sure that your family explained the whole thing to you in much the same way that I did.
Enjoy your stay in the beautiful, modern, friendly and fascinating Israel and think about it all the way I suggest, from the half full glass side.
Just push the power button for 15 seconds, it’ll be fine.
I had my backpack blown up once. I left it in a bookstore on a American base in Germany. She left her laptop unattended. Security forces will be freaked out by suspicious unattended packages, including laptops.
Well this story looks real. Israeli border police (MAGAV) are total jerks. Even Israeli citizens are scared of them.
I lived in Israel for 5 years (2003-2008) and I will never forget one day when I was sitting with my friends in the pub located at Neve Shaanan street in Tel Aviv. Sunnenly, four or five MAGAV soldiers jumped out of a Humvee and started to beat up two young asians, man and a woman even without saying a word to them. The girl was crying and begging to leave them alone and the guy’s nose was bleeding. After that they threw them into the car and ran away. To say I was shocked is to say nothing. My friends explained that its a normal procedure and they are beating up illegal immigrants and took them to the prison.
I left Israel in 2008 with certainty about never going back there again. Unfortunately, they have no respect to human rights even if they are Israeli citizens. I still have Israeli citizenship (because I was married to a woman with some Jewish roots). Having Israeli citizenship is now a shame to me. I have a lot of stories to tell about my existence in Israel, but unfortunately, I have no time to run a blog.
Be careful! Depending on the model of your Mac if it has an LCD screen that’s not OLED it most likely has mercury in the bulb. This is extremely hazardous!
Handle with care and don’t get any on your hands.
Jews acting like fascists? I don’t believe it! Not in Israel! I want my tree back!
Wow, this is sick. israel people which do this stuff can **** my **** and dont forget
to jingle my F**** B**** Mothar F*****.
WOI WOI WOI WOI WOI WOI WOI
IOW IOW IOW IOW IOW IOW IOW
OIW OIW OIW OIW OIW OIW OIW
WIO WIO WIO WIO WIO WIO WIO
One wonders if the shooter was so ignorant that he failed to realize that shooting the screen wouldn’t destroy the most important part of the machine.
If so, thank God for stupidity. It was classically Israeli, though.
Well, another proof of an old fact: The most dangerous terrorist organizations in the world are the israely secret service, army and police.
Just think about what the media would have reported, had this been an arabic border “guard”.
You deserved what you got. Your obvious hatred for all things Israeli and your self important attitude make me cheer the border guards who did this.
Next time, try this in Iran or Cuba. We will (gladly) never hear from you again.
Grow up – spoiled child
Not being agree with Israeli policy about their neighbour definitely doesn’t give Israel a right to insult citizens of all other countries of the world. Especially the USA, because they pretend to be a USA-clone in the Middle East.
I request all the Israelis to ignore the stupid comments here. Your country is surrounded by enemies who are hell bent on destroying you. Do what is necessary to keep your public safe and sound….
A fan of Israel from Singapore….
Israel is the enemy of whole world. they r now selling weapons to India
Unscaved is not a word.
Unscathed is the correct spelling.
keaton, freedom of speech is considered much less of a right in most parts of the world than in the US, where it’s part of our Constitution. Israel does have a a freedom of speech law, which is subject to substantial limitations for security.
Jack, wearable and implantable computers will get just as much scrutiny at border crossings as laptops. It will just be even less convenient and more intrusive than the current security screening.
WOW, did you tried to power up the thing? 😀
P.S Jews are COOL.
Well, I do not endorse this kind of practice, I think it was unfair. But hey, I’m an argentinian citizen and I need a visa to enter the US, and the system to granting or revoking it is by ‘suspicion’. So more or less is the same, just an idiot deciding things by intuition 🙂
My sister’s laptop was ruined at an Israeli checkpoint. She is a very humble and respectful journalist but unfortunately her laptop mysteriously came out almost cracked through the center. Oh well, some people just have a chip on their shoulder.
My thoughts on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict are much the same as my thoughts were about the Catholic/Protestant warfare in Northern Ireland. Neither party holds the high moral ground.
Some people should not be in position of power, they get powerdrunk.. (P.S. This is not a jab against jews, this is a jab against people who get corrupted by power.. Religion does not enter into it, nor does ethnicity)
You had to have pissed them off. Stop acting like you are not a palestinian activist, and stop acting like you weren’t trying to stir trouble. Why don’t you tell the whole story here. And for the Israeli’s, stop being nice to her she’s clearly your enemy, and for the anti-israeli’s you too dumb to ask for the whole story u also just like controversy, oh and look how nice the Israeli’s are anyway. Which i disagree with them for that, but your all obviously wrong about israeli’s because this post proves that they are not evil in fact they are wayyyyy too nice!
well actually… the man makes a good point 😛
Should I say “Stop acting like Israel is a democracy”? I hope not! Stop acting like someone telling you you’re doing something wrong makes them your enemy. Israel only hurts itself by denying its mistakes. My brother-in-law, son of a holocaust survivor, backpacked in Jordan with a friend from Canada in 1998, and they had a similar experience entering at Eilat. He says they were polite, cooperative, and did not provoke anything, yet were harassed and felt bullied. I believe him. That kind of behavior is unprofessional, and not up to Western standards. Also, “Stop acting like you are not a palestinian activist” sounds like an accusation. There is a commandment against bearing false witness!
In any case, Israel sounds like it is just too dangerous for Americans to come to visit now, since there are so many “enemies” crawling around.
You deserved it, shikza! leh lahzazel!
That sucks!!!!!! sucky sucky suck!!! .. suck.
re ” At the end of the day all that the VAST MAJORITY of people, both Israeli and Palestinian want to do is have a safe home to live in and bring up their families. Can you not identify with that?”
Go back to your fantasy land – either you are an IDIOT smoking dope or you are working for the muslims trying to brainwash people with your BS.
EVERY POLL taken in the arab world shows the arab goal is the COMPLETE ELIMINATION OF THE JEWISH STATE OF ISRAEL.
So stop LYING or go lay your head down so they can kill you, BECAUSE ISRAEL ISN’T LEAVING.
Hello! Sorry, I speak by russian.
Да, мне жаль тебя и твой лэптоп. У меня была подобная ситуация на русской границе, но там обошлось без жертв =)
According to Google Translate, the above says:
“Yes, I’m sorry for you and your laptop. I had a similar situation on the Russian border, but there were no casualties =) “
Pro Arab, Anti-Israel sentiments with attitude isn’t going to fly at any Israeli border, no matter how sympathetic the individual may be. It’s war baby, so why call attention to oneself? The tension is ratcheted high enough without pushing buttons. I’d counsel ‘less is more’ in this particular situation, OR, just avoid the situation by traveling to another Arab country!
did you triy to reboot the laptop? maybe it still work.
sorry bout the laptop, alteast the harddrive was ok
for those who thinks they are so smart!! and just think we can just make peace with arans READ THIS!!
you know what?? before you post anything here learn about us!
we (isreal) cant just “get along” they want our country, all of it!
and they wont stop! they will bomb us to death (and nowl comes nukes!)
we only have 1 contry and its isreal and its basickly everything we got!
and anther thing – even if we coud make pice between the counties,l the arabs are 6 times more then all of the jews in isreal witch means on the sec we will complite the peace there will be more popultion of arans then jews IN A JEWS country!
– sorry about a bad english
Why do israelis and pro-israeli-facism always spell israel wrongly “isreal” ? Trying to send ensure your self it “is real” ? Or you just a bunch of retarded people who cant spell check?
I wish someone would shoot my laptop and give me a new one.
Wow thats crazy… I hope they will pay for a new one…
I don’t know what is worse, the ignorance of the soldiers or the dimwits who are tring to justify their actions.
I think liilly should sue them, and ask for all the tax money that she paid to fload their s*** hole of a country.
I will avoid a pro and/or contra Israel comment but would simply note that if so many of the guards seemed 18 or so, it may well be because in Israel young people must serve a few years in the military.
tough being a fascist…. Just ask an old German…
לכו תזדיינו ערבים!
אנחנו נפרק לכם את הצורה! אתם רוצים את הארץ שלנו? הארץ שאנחנו עבדנן עליה שנים?
אתם רוצים להרוג אותנו לחטוף לנו חיילים?
אז אנחנו נהרוג אותכם! נקרע אותכם לחתיכות קטנות!
According to Google Translate, the above says:
“F–k Arabs!
We dismantle the shape you! You want our country? Country we Abdnn her years?
You want to kill us to get our troops? So we’ll kill you guys! You guys ripped into small pieces”
This shows how clouded with hate the environment a stagnant military solution has created. It ignores the facts of the case, and the basic moral responsibility Israel has to visitors to treat them and their possessions with dignity. The Jewish people have a long history of being abused and disrespected; for Israel to overtly abuse people arbitrarily and with prejudice is a shame to that memory.
If you spend your free time vacationing in a war zone, you are taking your chances. Why anyone would want to visit such a place is beyond me.
Israeil: Arabs: world: wake up! Religious states do not work and never have.
The stories I read and get upset to feel that Jihad-Terrorism makes Young Israelis grow up very fast. I was the same age as the Guards, 18, 19 years old to university I go. My friends and I go to parties. We bought beer at any hour we like and I traveled.
Israelis would like to go to university, party and relax I believe but if Israelis relax the Arabs kill because they are taught to hate in schools and families.
Very sad to watch wonderful people like the Israelis be very terrorized over many years. A lot of terror that they have to turn their home into Prison just to be safe from the murderer-neighbors.
Thank you for this story it makes me know a little what it is like to be Israeli and lucky to be born in safe Germany where my neighbors are peaceful not jihadis.
What is Anti-Israel sentiments really? Some people call any sensible critic of Israeli politics for Anti-Israel sentiment, and thereby ruining the whole term.. It’s a shame to abuse a term in such a manner, because it just shows plain stupidity and ignorance from the abusers side.
It’s like if I were to call every comment for racist.. I would just show that I was plain old STOOPID if I acted that way.
Roger.
Any criticism of any action of the Israeli state or of its army or of its agents is antisemitism.
Many people fail to tolkienize modern history properly. The Israelis are good little Elves and the Palestinians are Orcs.
In his history of middle earth, the lord of the rings Tolkien left some things out. For example what happened to the entwives? Actually a paper company owned by Elves and operated by Men wood chipped them to make a special kind of paper used in Elven ceremonies. Again who owned middle earth befoElven and human colonists arrived in sufficient numbers.
Israel is a colonial nation that is still in the process of ridding itself of the remnants of an indigenous population. Noone should be surprised at anything that happens there, whether it be an exploding Palestinian or a murdered laptop computer. Colonialism always looks unpleasant when examined too closely.
Proof that Israelis are to the middle east what beer swilling, gun toting, 5th grade education, rednecks living in the swamps of Louisiana are to the USA
The israelis did learn from the nazi’s
THE are the new Nazi’s
Isn’t anyone suspicious that this might not have happened? So many strange anomolies….
Hi, I skimmed through the comments, and I didn’t see this question asked. Did the bullets go all the way through? It’s kind’ve hard to see from the pics you provided, I can obviously see the bullets went right through the screen, but did they go through the main unibody? You see, I’ve always wondered if these unibody models are bulletproof, (silly theory, but it’d be interesting to know) My condolences for your loss =(
Yeah, they went all the way through…I would not use it as a shield…
This is an oppressive act by a state, in this case, the State of Israel, less than a century old. That state is somewhat associated with but is quite different from the nation of Israel or the Children of Israel. That nation has been around much longer and is not the same as the state. That nation existed in diaspora and even in the time of Judges when there was no human state.
Judging from comments here and especially other sites, it seems many worship the state. That is idolatry and a sin.
Lily first off, I must say that is terrible. I won’t get started on my own personal views, save to say that I am not surprised. But that’s just me and my word is not god’s or even close. I’ve been to Morocco but never to Israel, although I certainly would love the opportunity. I do know a large handful of people who have been before and all I can say is be careful over there. To oversimplify, Israel is a beautiful county with a rich heritage, and you can learn more there in two weeks than you can in a semester or even a year in the classroom, of course but there is also a giant wall built to keep out their neighbors. Enjoy your stay there, seriously. If you are smart, question things and always keep an open mind. Don’t be a sponge, when it comes to taking in your surroundings, be a sham-wow, and focus on more than one group of people. There are over 33 languages and dialects spoken in that tiny little country. Look at the truth, always listen carefully, and never let others make your decisions for you. I’m sure you are quite good at that already. I’m also sure you have quite the itinerary while you are over there, but remember that perhaps the most beneficial, and worthwhile thing you can do over there is simply to take a second, really slow down, and breathe in the air around you. I know slowing down and taking in everything may sound impossible or even ridiculous, but it’s all about the timing, and would be even more ridiculous to do anything less. You will come back far more informed than ever before.
which came first, the chicken or the egg?
This is about a laptop, not about a politic maneuver made in May 14 of 1948.
This little bit of street theater was performed by Sussman so that she could go home with the ‘authentic’ credentials these young wannabe activists crave without actually having to place themselves in harm’s way like a true believer would do without a second thought.
I don’t blame you either, working for Palestinian rights is just so much more comfortable and convenient than giving a damn about Darfur, Iran, Afghanistan etc. You can shout and hold signs all day, harass soldiers that just want to finish their shift without incident, hang out in bars and clubs at night and go to bed in a nearby hostel or hotel with all the first world luxuries and protections Israel has to offer.
The more I read it’s easier to see how this event was a textbook case of “Palywood” where the Arabs churn out media reports to demonize Israel while at the exact same time they send out suicide attackers and fire rockets regularly at Israelis.
The props were her maps with crowded, public targets circled on them and the anti-Jewish photos on her camera.
The script was her provocative answers and attitude that she gave the guards for simple questions that thousands of people answer every day without incident because they answer truthfully without planting suspicions in the minds of anybody.
Congratulations on fooling so many readers. You’re a good actress, I’m just glad that you were satisfied with merely participating vicariously in the “resistance” and then going home leaving the status quo behind you. Some ‘activists’ feel the need to get more hands on and actually carry weapons and physically confront guards and that’s when people get hurt.
Your apple must have goaded them unto its own destruction. The apple symbol alone strikes fear into the hearts of PC users, but that startup sound…gut wrenching.
If I didn’t own an apple myself, and had a pistol…and had too much to drink…and were paranoid to the point of outright insanity, I might shoot the evil aluminum mocking machine as well.
Let me give you a little outside perspective.
I, a child of the sixties was horrified by Munich, and a strong supporter of Israel for many years.
The disgusting behaiour of Israel has in the last 10 years completely turned my view around. The killing of 300 children, then the pathetic claim they were human shields.
IF they were it was not effective was it, you shot the poor kids anyway, so why wouild anyone bother with human shields.
I am now a supporter of the Palestinians. This is PURELY DUE TO ISRAELS OWN actions.
Your a nation of mass muderers and thieves, nothing more nothing less.
You wrote the book on terrorism, and cedlebrate the King David Hotel bombing.
Disgusting.
No burst mode would shoot in a triangular pattern like that. They would be closer together and nearly in a straight line. Secondly, the holes are too big for any standard-issue rifle which would probably be around a .223. Those holes are closer to a 10mm or .45ACP which would be a semi-auto handgun. Thirdly, if here are natural holes why on second photo(laptop’s display) there is a darkness inside them, oh, may be you don’t know photoshoping well ))))
Are you insane? You went to Israel and you pretended to like all people including Arabs? You’re lucky they didn’t treat you like one. Next time you go there, cover yourself with Stars of David and stick an “I Hate All Arabs” sticker on your backpack. You’ll breeze through.
Go to Israel often and have your stuff shot up by security on a daily basis? Do you have a problem with your data being lost to 5.56mm bullets?
SIMPLE. You back up your files with MOZY. http://www.mozy.com
-Steve
I worked for EL AL security at Ben Gurion airport years ago. First, all of the security personnel are over 18, closer to 21 as they all must have completed Army service. Their selection and hiring process is quite rigorous.
As for your situation, it is partly as a result of this incident here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindawi_affair
So, their “suspicions” regarding you were more of you perhaps being an unknowing and unwilling mule for terror. Its been done before where terrorists take advantage of a naive Westerner who “supports” their cause. I would rather have them go through this procedure and have a laptop destroyed than have a bomb go off in a crowded airport or plane.
[Israeli] security personnels were trained to ask questions in quick session and evaluate the answers to evaluate threat level (i.e. using contradiction to assess truth vs. potential deception).
Sounds like you KNEW what was coming to you during the security check. You were lucky that the bullets landed on your MacBook, not you. Had it been an American checkpoint in Iraq, it could have ended up every ugly. Your cockiness almost got yourself killed.
Sorry about the destruction of your laptop, though I’m surprised you didn’t predict that Arabic stickers would make Israeli security nervous.
I’m an Israeli-American who wishes for a two-state solution. Let’s have a little respect for the desire of moderates on both sides for peace. I just want to join my voice to the other moderate voices in this section of comments — there is no need to demonize Israel, and there is no need to pretend that Israel doesn’t make mistakes in its fear and suspicion. But mistakes don’t justify hating all Israelis. The extreme and uninformed voices on both sides win out if we don’t speak up. Someday, may Arabic stickers on a laptop not be a reason to worry about explosives. May there be two peaceful states, coexisting without fear.
First of all i’m sorry for your laptop.
1. The thing is that in israel you should leave bags unintended, even if you think that you were asked to leave them there. its not personaly against you just, there were too many bags that blew up. a bomb in a bag is not hard to build, and just leaving it somewhere is easy enough, I had my bags also blown up once, not in a border crossing, i forgot them once in jerusalem, when i came back for them, the policeman’s robot was shotting it, my luck was that i had only clothe in it. but it is better to have a thousand bags blown up by mistake than a bomb killing people.
2. i’m sure you’re don’t look like a terrorist, unfortunatly too many terrorists don’t look like they should… they don’t have a sign – terrorist – on them. would you think 3 japanesse would be arab terrorists ? no, no chance, what do they have to do with it… well in 1972 3 japanesse, members of the japanesse red army, shot around 100 people in lod airport, 26 of them died, mostly peurto rico nationals. now they were send by the PFLP… so sometimes even if you don’t look like one, you might be so one needs to be carfule – more about the lod massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lod_Airport_massacre
3. one thing you can count on in israel (or the rest of the world) is that most things go by procedures… the announcement was supposed to get you to come inside, its a regular one. if they wanted to mess with you they would have confiscated it. they would have shoot it… not because their nice, but because the aren’t allowed just to shoot stuff… and they would have a lot of explaining and paperwork later because of it… and as much as you might think that a thing against you, i assure you that have a worse thing against paperwork… they acted by the normal procedure… but be it a lesson, don’t leave stuff alone…
hope you get a new computer and you would find the nicer part of israel…
“I’m a border security officer, and I’m a PC.”
just stop killing eachother and stop fighting. we’re all just people living on the same damn planet. relax, go out and have fun or invent something… there is so much potential from everyone in the area there, if only people would work together… sigh… team up, get rid of all the extremists and just live together. in america and canada… we’ve got people from all religions living together peacefully. its not that hard really. we’re all just people. PEOPLE.
Holy smokes. I’m so sorry your laptop was demolished like that, but I’m glad to hear that the harddrive was recoverable. They must not have been familiar with MacBooks, or they might have aimed their shots differently.
I suspect they were just doing their damnedest to fuck over someone who has the audacity to recognize the basic humanity of the Palestinians–basically, they appear to be attempting to intimidate into silence a voice of dissent. It’s disgusting.
I hope you are able to recover the cost of your laptop from the bastards. Those MacBooks aren’t cheap! Good luck and… give ’em hell!
It amazes me how absolutely out of touch with reality some of the comments here reflect.
For the record, I am not Jew, but I am an American. One other thing I am not. I am not some overly pampered, ill-informed, snot nose kid with a chip on her/his shoulder and an attitude that causes one to mouth off to Israeli security without a clue as to what is going on there.
Clues For Idiots:
ISRAEL IS SURROUNDED BY COUNTRIES THAT WILL STOP AT NOTHING LESS THAN ISRAEL’S COMPLETE ANNIHILATION. (That means murdering every man, woman, child, and infant.)
ISRAEL IS AT WAR (That means they neither have the time nor the inclination to entertain an immature, overly pampered, snot nosed, American WITHOUT A CLUE who thinks she/he can cop an attitude with their security forces and get way with it.
TERRORISTS BLOW UP ISRAELI SCHOOL BUSES FILLED WITH INNOCENT ISRAELI CHILDREN.
TERRORISTS BLOW UP ISRAELI PUBS AND CAFES FILLED WITH INNOCENT CIVILIANS
TERRORISTS USE ALL FORMS OF IED’s INCLUDING LAP TOPS TO MURDER THEIR VICTIMS.
Did I mention that ISRAEL IS IN A CONSTANT STATE OR WAR?
Go back to Egypt in a mini skirt with your camera and lap top and try copping an attitude to Egyptian security forces. See how well that works out for you.
Finally, GROW UP AND ACT LIKE A RESPONSIBLE ADULT. You’re lucky they only shot your lap top. You wouldn’t have fared as well in any Muslim country, that’s for damn sure.
As an American, I am embarrassed by your behavior and by many of the comments posted here by equally pampered, immature, spoiled and clueless “children” who don’t know jack about the evils of the world.
Get a grip JmHH,
This incident simply exposes the double standard Israel has when processing American tourists amiably through Ben Gurion customs into Israel (Herzl’s “light unto the world” democracy), and the abusive “security” brute squads, ushering the lower races into a tin-pot dictatorship.
US airports have x-ray machines which avoid “necessary” laptop shootings. I would be angry if my laptop was executed without reasonable cause. Sure, peaceniks are naive, but so are you. The neglect of political settlement, and focus on military “security”, only encourages extremism, and has left Israel in a stagnant “constant state of war.” Israel is clearly a dangerous place, which American tourists should stay away from.
That last part about “you wouldn’t have fared as well in any Muslim country”, I wouldn’t be so “damn sure”; I haven’t heard of any passport presenting American having their laptop (or any other property) shot anywhere else, bigot. You’re not the only American embarrassed about comments seen here.
Thank you, you said exactly what I was thinking also. Any you expressed it in very clear terms.
I feel you are all kind of the same. Israeli people have their figth with palentinians, and americans have their fight with everyone who has something they want.
you are talking about killing children (nothing good to say about that attitude) but you forget you are invading countries in the name of (WTF) you right to defend democracy on their territory. What would americans say if a conutry (lets say China) decided you guys are not working your internal economy right, and need to be invaded?
you did that same thing with Irak just for the fucking oil!!! So please, neither americans or israeli people have any chance of preaching about peace and good behaviour.
and btw, just try to go through security on an US airport if you don’t speak english, travelling as a tourist, like many americans do in latin amaerican countries, where airport security wont harrass them for not being able to speak spanish.
think, measure your acts, and then judge.
peace to all.
Let’s see…
“…. Among other suspicious item; an Arabic phrasebook, a journal entry that mentioned a Palestinian(yes, they even flipped through my journal), stamps from Syria, Qatar and the UAE, Palestinians in Palestine guidebook, and a map a friend had drawn with a main street in Jerusalem, the central bus station and my intended hostel. “Who are you meeting there?” They asked me…..”
What were you thinking, entering through a remote border crossing, coming from an arab state with evidence of visiting countries that are official enemies of Israel.
Let’s look at it in a different light: imagine you were trying to enter via a remote Canadian border crossing into the US. You had photos from Afghanistan where you have LIVED and travel documents showing you have traveled across a war torn region. The only difference would be that US is still coming to terms with profiling while Israel wrote the book about it 20 years ago and is now considered the most experienced counter terrorism authority.
Blowing up your laptop was stupid but then again, allowing bombs into airplanes by known terrorists on 9/11 was also pretty stupid.
Enjoy Israel. I hear weather isn’t bad, considering it’s winter and people will always be welcoming, in their own special way.
Oops… I forgot to say….
There is no such thing as “Palestine”. It’s a fictional entity created by oil soaked arab countries that could have solved the “problem” with some of their change but refuse to do so in order to use these tribes as a bargaining chip.
These “arab brothers” are nothing more than a bunch of feudal cities forced into a conundrum by confused israeli governments of years gone by.
They could have all been accepted by their friendly arab countries but they aren’t welcome there so Israel is stuck with them. Did you ever hear of the events in September 1970? Arabs killing arabs… heck butchering them…. but of course, the world has such short memory…. HERE’s a HISTORY LESSON FOR YOU ALL:
Jordanian army attacks
On September 15, King Hussein declared martial law. The next day, Jordanian tanks (the 60th Armored Brigade) attacked the headquarters of Palestinian organizations in Amman; the army also attacked camps in Irbid, Salt, Sweileh, Baq’aa, Wehdat and Zarqa. Then the head of Pakistani training mission to Jordan, Brigadier Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq (later Chief of Army Staff and President of Pakistan), took command of the 2nd division.[2] [3] In addition, the Iraqi army that remained in Jordan after the 1967 war serving as a reserve forces supported the Jordanian army.[4]
Arafat later claimed that the Jordanian army killed between 10,000 and 25,000 Palestinians, although more conservative estimates put the number between 1000 and 2000. [5] [6]
Hostage David Raab described the initial military actions in Black September this way:
“We were in the middle of the shelling since Ashrafiyeh was among the Jordanian Army’s primary targets. Electricity was cut off, and again we had little food or water. Friday afternoon, we heard the metal tracks of a tank clanking on the pavement. We were quickly herded into one room, and the guerrillas threw open the doors to make the building appear abandoned so it wouldn’t attract fire. Suddenly, the shelling stopped.”
The armored troops were inefficient in narrow city streets and thus the Jordanian army conducted house to house sweeps for Palestinian fighters and got immersed in heavy urban warfare with the Palestinian fighters.
Amman experienced the heaviest fighting in the Black September uprising. Syrian tanks rolled across the Yarmouk River into northern Jordan and began shelling Amman and other northern urban areas. Outdated missiles fired by the PLO struck Amman for more than a week. Jordanian infantry pushed the Palestinian Fedayeen out of Amman after weeks of bitter fighting.
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Thank you, observer. Too often people forget history and buy the lie that there was ever a so-called “Palestinian” people before the 1960’s. A “people” created out of thin air and used as a pawn by other Arabs and by their own leaders.
Too bad that they themselves believe it at this point and instead of building a productive, peaceful society they waste their lives (literally) attacking Israel and Jews. They could even have had their own state years ago but it wasn’t enough, they want to take over Israel as well. They’ve been given every opportunity but squandered it all on envy and hate, even sacrificing their own children by encouraging them to conduct terror operations via suicide missions.
They’re brought their tragedy on themselves.
The day the oil wells run dry in the middleeast,that’s the day the u.s. will lose interrest in that area that’s when it will get really dirty.
The country is suffering paranoia. Acute one.
If it doesn’t get better it will eventually destroy itself. Like a paranoid man messes so bad with his own life that he eventually kills himself…
Really? So you don’t think that all the terror attacks and wars justify ‘sacrificing’ one laptop to possibly save a life?
I’ve got a great idea – the next time there’s a suspicious object, why don’t you go and stand next to it for a few hours to see if it explodes? If you survive, then we can talk about ‘paranoia’.
Whatever the nature of the story and who ever was right or wrong, hopefully they let you keep the old laptop. Make a memorable souvenir of your trip if nothing else.
Hmmm issues in Israel
Me thinks someone needs a hug…..Come on guys jut hug it out….
To hell with this pathetic wretch and her ventilated macbook, she is a whiny little wannabe who should go back to egypt get a netbook and have a nice day sympathizing for the poooooor palestinians.
…and to you, you name-caller. This same cynical, unconstructive and unresponsive attitude is what has kept Israel in its ongoing morass. Rather than responding to the facts of the case, you make ad hominem attacks, making you the whiny one. Grow up a bit, jerk.
I’m sorry but those Israeli Security people are IDIOTS. They went and shot a Macbook. They call that “procedure”. What procedure is that? Kill a laptop?
ISRAELI SECURITY people are BRAINLESS IDIOTIC PEOPLE.
ISRAELI SECURITY people are BRAINLESS IDIOTIC PEOPLE.
ISRAELI SECURITY people are BRAINLESS IDIOTIC PEOPLE.
ISRAELI SECURITY people are BRAINLESS IDIOTIC PEOPLE.
Somebody over there with the ISRAELI GOVERNMENT should give you a brand new Macbook Pro.
I’ve got to repeat this:
ISRAELI SECURITY people are BRAINLESS IDIOTIC PEOPLE.
ISRAELI SECURITY people are BRAINLESS IDIOTIC PEOPLE.
ISRAELI SECURITY people are BRAINLESS IDIOTIC PEOPLE.
ISRAELI SECURITY people are BRAINLESS IDIOTIC PEOPLE.
God they are such IDIOTS.
Did you smoke a cigarette after that post?
I have a MacBook just like that, that unibody stood up well! lol. Oh and fail on those who are giving you grief!
Don’t they have X-RAY machines to see if that Macbook was dangerous?
The Israeli security police probably would say “WE DON’T HAVE AN APP FOR THAT”.
And then they would proceed to shoot the Macbook.
I would be more pissed if they tried to replace your Macbook by trying to give you a
windows computer. If they tried to do that, they’ll probably say they can only afford a
windows laptop and can’t buy a real Macbook Pro.
So, watch out if they try to low-ball you by trying to give you less money to pay for a
Macbook Pro replacement. Or if they try to pawn off a cheap Dell or other cheap
windows laptop to you instead of giving you a real Apple Macbook Pro.
The funniest thing I read is one of the comments on the Haartz news paper website. A guy from Tel Aviv said that Lily might be suspected person so they had to follow the security protocol. Is this the standard security protocol in Israel? Oh , guys I forgot their protocol is to shoot everything first then ask what was it. Just like shooting the innocent children.
@Lily: Pray to God for the rest of your life that it was your laptop not your head 🙂
GOD save you.
BTW, those guys commenting and defending what happened with silly jokes like being suspicious about unattended items are really stupid. If you have unattended item that might be a bomb, u dont fire your weapon at it to avoid making an explosion. You are really a genius 🙂
SHOOT IT …. SHOOT IT …. SHOOT IT ….
I SAID: SHOOT IT …. SHOOT IT …. SHOOT IT ….
ahem. that’s how they solve things over in Israel.
no negotiations. they just shoot things over there.
and all those idiots in Israel, they all think that all computers are evil.
they are so stupidly idiotic over there that they shoot defenseless computers over there in Israel.
SHOOT IT …. SHOOT IT …. SHOOT IT ….
I SAID: SHOOT IT …. SHOOT IT …. SHOOT IT ….
BANG. COMPUTER DEAD.
You do not know anything about security in Israel.
Life in Israel is not simple.
We do not shoot here because of boredom.
It is important to remember that we are fighting for our existence here.
We have a lot of trouble, the State of Israel will pay for all damage caused.
Next time get a PC! 😛
Well, I’m never travelling to Israel. They shoot Macbooks over there. No person with a Macbook should go to Israel because they don’t respect Macbooks over there. They’ll probably also shoot your iPhone or your iPod Touch over there. God they must hate Apple over there. Steve Jobs should have Apple boycott Israel. If Steve Jobs were to go over there, the Israelis would probably shoot up his Mac and iPhone also. Israel must hate Apple.
They finally found a way to kill a Mac.
Hi everyone, this story has sure created a stir, very popular. lily, you need to get some paid ads on this page and make some bucks.
Any way, personaly i would have told them that they could stick their country where it fits and gone home after being interogated and having my property destroyed, you’r obviously more tolerant of stupidity than I.
Now as for the war, um all people need to stop spending time, money and resources on killing people, and computers, and think about the fact that acording to scientists the worlds optimal sustainable (indefinently) population is around 10,000,000 people and we should probably look for some more planets to live on, on the other hand we could cull 95% of Earths human population.
p.s. If we take the second population stratergy option maby we could start with Israel’s security personel, they appear to be suitably stupid.
Ta-ta for now…
That country needs to go into therapy.
Sorry for you on behave of all Egyptians, and this is normal from Israeli.
lets remind you the Egyptian soldier that shot on israeli’s children couple of years ago neer the border…
It’s Israel / mid-east.. It’s a war zone HELLO!! Regardless I think this person is very naive / arrogant. Precisely what did you think was going to happen to you crossing the Israeli border with this pro-arab /anti Israeli stuff? Would you attempt to enter Saudi Arabia with a copy of the Talmud or Torah and a star of david pendant around your neck? I think not. Like it or not it is what it is use your head.
To the freedom of speech comment made above. It’s obvious you are from USA and have never left the confines of your own country. You ARE NOT entitled to freedom of speech or anything for that matter in a lot of countries. Don’t believe me? Go to China or Singapore and try to exercise your right to free speech and see what happens!
Hello ,
Sorry for my english but you now that egyptians are the most rascist en extremistic people in the world end you cross their border in to another rascist country . Its like putting a dog with a cat in a little chambre .
You ask for it and sorry for you laptop but you have bring it to your self.
I never understand why young girlds seek danger like this , is this love for an egyptian 🙂
With the back up of America, Isarel guys get more guts, but brains. xD
I have little doubt that Israel security had good reasons for suspecting your arrival. I recall entering Israel a number of years ago. They searched many people’s baggage and papers. They singled out some and not others. They seemed to have an uncanny ability to find out what they were looking for. I almost felt disappointed that they did not do this to me. I asked in fact why I was not searched and they smiled and said..we know what and who we are looking for. Indeed they do. They were clearly looking for you. I can see why. Perhaps they made a mistake or perhaps they did not. There are many countries where laptops are confiscated for various reasons at border and that includes the US of A and Canada. Whether they shoot a hole or two in it is irrelevant if one never sees it again. As the saying goes…back up your stuff. Don’t involve yourself in other people’s politics and if you do, don’t expect any sympathy. Israel is at war and sympathizers for those that wish to see it extinguished are not going to get a lot of sympathy from this writer or from Israel Security either.
“Don’t involve yourself in other people’s politics and if you do, don’t expect any sympathy.”
Yeah, stop reading newspapers as well. Watching telly is inacceptable as well.
Better not think at all. There’s still a lot you can do: stay at home, sleep, eat, f**k, die.
Honestly Neil, you can’t be serious!
BTW: I have been to IL several times in the last 30 years and the attitude of security personell has changed a lot during that time. And, as we all know, IL has been at war since its founding.
I do not know any explosives expert who shoots at a plastic explosive in order to detonate it. We are being told that Israeli border guards are incompetent.
And you received your training and experience in detonating IED’s where?
seems like f..g lie
israel police don’t shoot in bags from M16
they use robots armed shotguns
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Jew
Whiny bitch. She should travel to Iran with Hebrew stickers on her baggage and a Fuck Al-ah graffiti.
Dinesh, it would seem to be you who is the whiny b–. I would be angry if for “security purposes” my laptop was shot up. Worldwide airports seem to have x-ray machines which avoid this “necessity”. This just shows what happens when people don’t care to take their moral responsibility to treat visitors with dignity seriously. Clearly, Israel is a dangerous place, and should be avoided by tourists.
P.S. Your suggestion that Israel is entitled to be like Iran is stupid, if Israel still claims to be a democracy.
This is why I like Backups. But this one is very special…
Hey Lily,
it was even hard to read all comments, it is a lot of interest in this case. So as a human rights watcher from germany I can just give you one advice: take as fast as possible a lawyer and fight against this complete unacceptable handling of the security guards. There is no excuse for shooting other peoples goods, next time they will shoot down the tourists, and they than: “Excuse me, was neccessary”?????
Good luck, and a lot of strength
Patrick Schiffler
berlinpresse.blogspot.com
To be really safe, why don’t you stay out of Israel. They do hate Germans there, you know!
A ‘human rights watcher’ (whatever that is) from Germany – a country where a ‘human rights’ group barred elderly Holocaust survivors off a committee because they might feel ‘too emotional’ about genocide.
That pretty much sums it up about both Germany and Patrick, who obviously knows nothing about human rights, the Middle East, terrorism, or anything else.
EL-AL has never had a single plane hijacked or blown up in its history, and those israelis are trained to be human lie detectors and thats why the so many questions, to keep everyone safe; they are not paid to cuddle with you. Israeli aggression? Machine probably had a false positive (maybe there were explosives next to your laptop in Egypt); they shot your laptop because thats a good way to detonate an explosive if it was. I guess knowledge of jewish holiday it’s not the only thing you lack… give you a hint, starts with a b.
That’s not actually precise.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El-Al#Hijacking
Ah, never, except for the hijacking in 1968. You’re very handy trading insults.
Charlie,
One does not shoot at a plastique explosive to detonate it. (see my comment below – with a reference source). Therefore I do not believe that the story happened as we are led to believe. israeli border guards are not stupid.
god bless my laptop is bullet-proof. its made of kevlar.
oh no, not laptop…
maybe the Isrealian security guards panicked because it was their first time seeing a macbook pro, LOL. they probably thought it was some kinda new bomb with many circiuts and they can’t disarm the bomb. so they shot it.
God, officers here are amazingly stupid…
Look at the apologists make excuses for Israel.
It’s adorable.
Years of work without being backed up? What a shame..
But first of all that picture of star of David and abusive attitude expressed by word “Fuck” IMHO wasn’t acceptable (you can be happy they didn’t take your laptop with hard drive inside). It doesn’t matter if you received this material by accident or not — you had it on your hard drive. If you are from US just imagine what would happen if you were citizen of Israel (or any of Arabic countries) and you try to pass US border having explicit abusive content against US government. You would probably be taken as a terrorist and they wouldn’t talk to you politely. I think those people in Israel weren’t so bright because if I were them I would simply take your laptop for further analysis. From early 80s world cannot feel secure any more because of more cruel forms terrorism ever. I hope you are aware that there are many countries on the world you wouldn’t back from alive after such materials being found on your hard drive. Take your experience as a warn.
Hello,
My name is Ekaterina Fedorets, I’m a photo editor of a russian news website http://www.infox.ru .
Could you send us a high resolution of image
https://lilysussman.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/p1070618.jpg?w=1024&h=768
We guarantee that it will be properly credited and used in editorial material only.
please, give us the answer as soon as you can, thank you.
The “inshallah” quote at the end of Lily’s story is just one of many clues she has left us regarding her political and religious proclivities.
” *sigh*. Insha’allah I will like Israel better tomorrow…. ” ? is that supposed to be sarcastic ? or its because you are getting a new “bugged” laptop ?
AppleCare Protection Plan?
This goes to show you, Israel is a very dangerous place, and should be avoided. Its ironic, the Nazis dehumanized the Jews with violence and other abuse cloaked in the veil of “necessary” “routine” “procedure,” all completely legal. How sad.
`In my ignorant opinion not being a redneck loon with much experience of guns, the bullet holes in the laptop do not look as if they were made by a shotgun. If the standard procedure is to use a robot carrying a shot gun to execute suspicious luggage.
In my ignorant opinion not being a redneck loon with much experience of guns, the bullet holes in the laptop do not look as if they were made by a shotgun. If the standard procedure is to use a robot carrying a shot gun to execute suspicious luggage standard procedure does not seem to have been followed.
Pricless… 😀
too bad, they missed the hard drive 😀
censorship here, ey?
where’s my reply?
Sometimes multiple scenarios can fit one set of facts. In this case one interpretation might be that one security official told Lilly to put her lap top in a particular place and another official who did not know this profiled it as dangerous and started the chain of events that led to the execution of the laptop.
Another interpretation is that the officials had classified Lilly as a Palestinian sympathiser and hence their enemy and had decided to punish her. They deliberately told her to leave the lap top unattended so they could treat it as suspicious luggage and blow holes in it. One clue might be the demeanor of the official who apologized, was he smirking or concealing a smirk. Of course if it was junior officials had decided to punish the terrorist lover, a senior official who apologized may have been in the dark about it.
I do not know how to estimate the relative probabilities of these two scenarios but what I have read about Israeli actions tells me that the probability that it was malice is considerably greater than 0.
Carlyle, you are in fact ignorant, whether or not you are a “redneck” (talk about stereotyipng!”). Please stick to commenting about things you actually know something about.
LOL??? They freak-out, don’t they???
But..on the other hand… better the laptop..than you.
I never understand this kind of conflicts where relgion and politics come together. I never had and I never will ..
maybe the reason for this is.. I’m german .. feel like I’m European * 🙂 *
there are no borders in europe .. I can live and work anywhere, even with my 32 years I’m not able to understand what is going on there..
so take care .. and buy a bulletproof case for your next laptop *g*
*sorry for the mistakes in language..*
You fell in the hands of highly skilled border patrol officers. To protect The Chosen People from your Palestinian propaganda on your MacBook it had to be executed. Three shots in the brain killed your terrorist machine. Better the laptop than your head. But what will the Israeli border watch do next time? Think about your leftist love connection with the Arab terrorists!
You didn’t bet on an isreali football club lossing against your favourite club? Did you?
http://www.totallycrap.com/videos/videos_lost_bet_ends_in_redneck_tv_shooting/
Is there an other country with such a policy?
Not fair… The laptop was neutral in all this bunch of bullshit
That was just a warrning! Today are bullets, tomorow your HDD will die, that’s why people make backups of their HDDs or use “the cloud” for storing data.
Get smart!
Anyone who thinks that they are God’s “Chosen People” have to be a regular pain in the arse and mind boggling arrogant with it.
Israel is built on stolen land. Palestine was given illegal to Zionists by Britain in the Balfour Declaration in 1917 when Britain needed loans for armaments to fight the Germans during the WW1. And all the gnashing of teeth and shooting at pcs will not alter the true facts of it!
Israel is a nasty fundamentalist nation full of wailing Shylocks who are as ruthless as the Nazis!
If everyone country started demanding their supposed land back after 2000 years there would be perpetual war on this small planet.
Britain only lost parts of France a few hundred years ago, by Israel reckoning Britain has every right to demand those parts back. As Norman French I could cry out “Tomorrow Caen” but I don’t because I am not a fundamental fanatic.
Fundamentalism in any form, Christian, Islamic or Zionist, is the curse that plagues this small planet. A curse on all your foul houses for you all deserve each other and what you inflict on each other.
It’s Obama’s fault.
listen the reason they did that it becose there are non stop terorisme attckes on isreal and we cant take any chances for more of that!!
listen the reason they did that it becose there are non stop terorisme attckes on isreal and we cant take any chances for more of that!!
listen the reason they did that it becose there are non stop terorisme attckes on isreal and we cant take any chances for more of that!!
listen the reason they did that it becose there are non stop terorisme attckes on isreal and we cant take any chances for more of that!!
listen the reason they did that it becose there are non stop terorisme attckes on isreal and we cant take any chances for more of that!!
listen the reason they did that it becose there are non stop terorisme attckes on isreal and we cant take any chances for more of that!!
listen the reason they did that it becose there are non stop terorisme attckes on isreal and we cant take any chances for more of that!!
listen the reason they did that it becose there are non stop terorisme attckes on isreal and we cant take any chances for more of that!!
listen the reason they did that it becose there are non stop terorisme attckes on isreal and we cant take any chances for more of that!!
listen the reason they did that it becose there are non stop terorisme attckes on isreal and we cant take any chances for more of that!!
Funny… the more comments I read here, the more I realise you guys are completely retarded and understand nothing in regards to security.
LOL … so it is about security to shoot a laptop down?? Where are you from? I bet from the US … in Europe your Laptop will be stolen.. yes .. but no one will shoot it down.
I can’t belief you mean what you said … there is a saying, which I can’t translate.. maybe you could on your own..
“Brot kann schimmeln. Was kannst Du!”
Actually, in Europe an unattended laptop would in fact be removed and possibly exploded, if it weren’t stolen first. I guess what we can all learn from this is that Israelis aren’t thieves like the Europeans are.
Unfortunately, many people here are spoiled, entitled brats who have never confronted anything more dangerous than a barking dog. They know nothing about security or terrorism, yet pretend they are experts. G-d forbid they were ever in a truly threatening situation, they would cower in fear and be the first ones murdered.
Initially, I thought that Lily was a naive American tourist. It now seems clear that she had an agenda, and the security people were right on in dealing with her. Would she go to Egypt or Syria with Fuck Islam on her laptop, maps of streets in what they consider sensitive areas, stickers from Israel on her luggage? Where do you think she would end up. A busted laptop would be the least of her worries.
Oh, Lily, you forgot to mention that not only do we Israelis shoot children every day, we also harvest their organs and use their blood for Matzah. If you are going to defame us, you need to stick to the script that was and is so successful for those who hate Jews.
You know what, Israel can do just fine without you. I am sure you will be most welcome in Gaza, just don’t forget to pack your Burqa.
THANK U policemen and soldiers! that keep us safe from crazy people like lilly!
amazing that Israel have this 18 years old very tallented and smart young people!
KEEP US SAFE!
+100 🙂
Well, it is a pain in the hole, but things work a bit different in Israel. You did leave your bag unattended, which is kinda irresponsible. Security checks are not something that started after 9-11 in Israel, we had them pretty much forever.
I went to Budapest a couple years ago, and when I was entering a mall, I went to the security guard, and without saying much I opened my bag, expecting him to check it in order to get in. The guy just looked at me, and said “Israel?” apparently, the security guard is there to make sure that no one shop-lifts or something. For a tourist, this probably looks odd, but this is the reality here. I can’t count the times I was late for school or work because of “suspicious” objects on the bus or just on the street.
Ok, I’m not claiming to be an expert here, this is just voicing the facts I know.
If a suspected explosive device is found in an airport, this would have to be confirmed by numerous means, if there were signs of forced entry on the case, of an x-ray showed obvious signs of missing components then it could be considered a bomb. IF said device is identified as a bomb then it would be moved to a sterile area where an appropriate route of action would be taken. In most cases, a small charge is used as a “disarming” device, they blow up the trigger mechanism and detonating system using a small shaped charge with a safety area at least double that which would be required by a slab of c4 packed with nails and other pieces of manufactured shrapnel the equivalent size of the suspect device. This would then disarm it and they would examine it to ensure it is safe and can be transported to a police station to be held as evidence.
Very rarely are gunshots used to disable an explosive device, if the structure of the device is known then gunshots from a rifle over long range may be sued but this is only on some occasions, normally when disposing of un-exploded munitions left over from air bombings. If they suspected the mac book was an explosive device then they would probably have realized that if they set it off by accident then it would have killed whoever was doing the shooting as a firearm firing round to make holes the size shown in the pictures would most likely be a 9mm sidearm. only effective at a range of 100 or so feet.
I think this is a combination of stupidity and lack of training. This, combined with the small amount of suspicious material in your hand luggage might have led to them being suspicious, but it hardly calls for this to happen. I don’t think they have a leg to stand on really.
Other than that, hope you get a new one (which is paid for by the un-trained imbeciles that shot it)
That’s right Robb, you’re not an expert. The facts you “know” are not facts at all, just conjecture. Israel uses robots that fire explosive rounds to detonate a suspicious object under controlled conditions. Before you open your trap, try to get the facts straight. Who is the imbecile now?
What makes you say “this hardly calls for this to happen”? Where did you receive your training in terrorism and explosives? You say you’re not an expert, so why are you making conclusions in an area you know little about?
Please stick to something you know.
I am sorry to hear this happened to you but I couldn’t help laughing like a maniac. I had a similar situation happen to me in Lebanon. Sad but funny.
Your comment made my smile. You and Lilly are certainly not the only people this has happened to, but at least you have a sense of humor about it!
This story is not credible. Israeli security have blown up suspicious packages when the owner was not found. I do not know who shot holes in that taptop, but it is NOT Israeli security.
The number of people who act as apologists for Israeli government thugs amazes me. These thugs brutalize and murder people, then whine that nobody loves them. Or they rationalize brutality and murder by saying that Israel is surrounded by sub-humans. For a country born in theft and terror, all of Israel’s troubles today could easily have been predicted. What’s sad is that Israeli politicians are leading the nation into MORE confrontation instead of treating their neighbors, Palestinians in particular, as human beings with an equal right to life, property, and security. As things are going today, I see nothing but self-destruction at the end of the road for Israel. What a shame!
As Muslims proceed to paradoxically turn inwardly fundamental yet outwardly expansionist we’ll witness other regions of the world experiencing the same existential pressures on their independence and democratic pluralism that the Israelis endure.
The meek Copts of Egypt, Assyrians in Iraq, Zoroastrians and vanquished Baha’i in Iran have long been beaten down and subjugated by the Islamic horde. The strength of the Maronite community in Lebanon largely exists on paper alone, an ancient census maintaining a Western-style government that would collapse under the weight of the modern demographics reality.
Around the world these troublesome hotspots are easily marked with the blood of the victims of Islamists (Israel, Thailand, Philippines, Ground Zero, NYC, Mumbai, Madrid, Beslan, the London Tube, Fort Hood, Sydney, the Netherlands, Bali, Sudan. All this bloodshed is set against the growing clamoring in the mosques and on the street for Sharia law over lands that Islam was once foreign.
Israel is merely the canary in the mine. A measure of Islam’s relative belligerence.
This makes no sense. In fact, I think the story is made up:
science.howstuffworks.com/c-42.htm
Just as with other explosives, you need to apply some energy to C-4
to kick off the chemical reaction. Because of the stabilizer
elements, it takes a considerable shock to set off this reaction;
lighting the C-4 with a match will just make it burn slowly, like a
piece of wood (in Vietnam, soldiers actually burned C-4 as an
improvised cooking fire). Even shooting the explosive with a rifle
won’t trigger the reaction. Only a detonator, or blasting cap
will do the job properly.
Dude… it’s a MacBook 😦
Now your story is published in Europe/Germany.
Welcome to Jerusalem. Let us know how it works out. I would imagine that Apple Computer would be very supportive.
Several times here in Jerusalem I’ve seen packages left on seats that were shot up to trigger the explosives that may be inside. Fun to watch as somebody’s lunch or shopping gets blown to bits. But I’ve never seen this.
I don’t have enough information to evaluate the behavior of the security people; Are you sufficiently anti-Israel that it makes sense for us to blow up your computer?
Israel what a shitty country
this zionist attitude and arrogance is a cancer to the hebrew culture and to the world.
This is FUNNY!! And everyone’s outrage is SO misplaced. I worked for a US government agency that got bomb threats pretty routinely, and they did the same sort of stuff. One day someone called in a suspicous metal box behind the toilet in the women’s bathroom — so they evacuated the building, cordoned off the parking lots, called in the bomb squad, gingerly removed the box, put it in some super-secret device they have for destroying it — and the bomb squad guys laughed themselves sick. The “suspicious box” turned out to be the ladies tampon basket which had fallen off the wall and behind the toilet! So, stuff like this happens places other than Israel, and if you’re going to trip into a country under seige looking like a Hamas stooge, then you can expect your computer to get blown up on suspicion that you’re naive enough to carry a booby-trapped laptop across the border.
This is a story hard to believe. Tse, tse, tse. Never been 2 Jerusalem and probably never will go there. Poor macbook. I read you get replacement from those weird folks. Destruction is all they know. Absolutism is what they are after. They will extinct some far away day…
Ronald
akes until it can properly identify that they are mistakes, and stop making them… If the majority of people would realize this and stop taking insane orders from their superiors to do what they know is wrong, then we wouldn’t have a problem would we? I can still believe that people are fundamentally good, they are just easy to coerce. If you grow up in an environment of rabid hatred, how are you expected to act? The same as everyone else, no matter if you understand it or not. People, as human beings, members of any nationality deserve the same respect as you’d want for your self. There was something that was said recently that I quite agreed with, if Gaza was full of sea otters and polar bears, they’d of been better off, we’d of blown Israel off the map, there would of been so much outrage that foreign troops would of averted any major loss of life… how are mothers and children worth any less than animals? If people allow themselves, they will allow blind hate to overcome themselves and do things that they know is wrong… just because you’ve done wrong, and been done wrong in the past doesn’t mean you can’t save whatever scrap of dignity you may have by trying to avert future disasters, future genocides, future holocausts. To think, you yourself, have no power to change the world, is the biggest lie you can believe in.
None of this is new, people have been controlled against their own will since the first shamans in the first tribes first realized they could control people by telling them what they want to hear. If we allow ourselves, we will be swept up in the same effect, due to the way the internet today is able to generate mass opinion and how disinformation is spread as real information to sway said opinion. It is used to ‘make our mind’ for us, so that our misguided wills can then be used to justify one groups selfish desires. A government can be wrong, but it requires human beings to push that final launch button, if everyone simply understood the truth… no one would push that button, no one would pull that trigger.
The whole meaning behind this war is to give themselves a reason to fight, if they didn’t have an enemy, the Zionist state would have no reason to exist, no way to expand, nothing to justify their aggression and their only credible claim to legitimacy is that god has told them that the land was theirs and they must fight off those that would ‘re-conquer the promised land’ … that just doesn’t fly in this day in age. Prove your god exists and I’ll never bring it up again, you can’t be an outside observer, and see the fallacy of religion in some aspects but then accept others. If they didn’t have an enemy there would be no way they could justify locking down the media their own people views, this is a trick that the world learned from Hitler… the war on hearts and minds in order to create an un-ending war and unwavering power for corrupt leaders. If they didn’t have the fear of an enemy attack to hang around your neck, then there’s no way you’d ever give up your liberty for a little security. I wish to see the day that governments stop using failed dictators as springboards for creating new policy and instead start making decisions that make sense. Just remember, not all Jews are Zionists, and not all Arabs are Terrorists, use your brain, use logic in the place of fear and things start making a lot more sense.
Wishing America was free of Israel is another thing entirely, yeah, it would be nice, but I imagine we’d see peace in the middle east first (meaning don’t count on it).
So go ahead Lily, be proud, hell, I’d save that laptop as a souvenir, put it on my wall, cause I’d take a bullet anytime to defend what I believe in, just be glad it was your laptop.
If only there was some way both people could forgive each other for past misdeeds… recognize faults, and move on. I think both of them certainly have valid points but it makes either one of them no more innocent than the other. As a whole, humanity is doomed to repeat its mistakes until it can properly identify that they are mistakes, and stop making them… If the majority of people would realize this and stop taking insane orders from their superiors to do what they know is wrong, then we wouldn’t have a problem would we? I can still believe that people are fundamentally good, they are just easy to coerce. If you grow up in an environment of rabid hatred, how are you expected to act? The same as everyone else, no matter if you understand it or not. People, as human beings, members of any nationality deserve the same respect as you’d want for your self. There was something that was said recently that I quite agreed with, if Gaza was full of sea otters and polar bears, they’d of been better off, we’d of blown Israel off the map, there would of been so much outrage that foreign troops would of averted any major loss of life… how are mothers and children worth any less than animals? If people allow themselves, they will allow blind hate to overcome themselves and do things that they know is wrong… just because you’ve done wrong, and been done wrong in the past doesn’t mean you can’t save whatever scrap of dignity you may have by trying to avert future disasters, future genocides, future holocausts. To think, you yourself, have no power to change the world, is the biggest lie you can believe in.
None of this is new, people have been controlled against their own will since the first shamans in the first tribes first realized they could control people by telling them what they want to hear. If we allow ourselves, we will be swept up in the same effect, due to the way the internet today is able to generate mass opinion and how disinformation is spread as real information to sway said opinion. It is used to ‘make our mind’ for us, so that our misguided wills can then be used to justify one groups selfish desires. A government can be wrong, but it requires human beings to push that final launch button, if everyone simply understood the truth… no one would push that button, no one would pull that trigger.
The whole meaning behind this war is to give themselves a reason to fight, if they didn’t have an enemy, the Zionist state would have no reason to exist, no way to expand, nothing to justify their aggression and their only credible claim to legitimacy is that god has told them that the land was theirs and they must fight off those that would ‘re-conquer the promised land’ … that just doesn’t fly in this day in age. Prove your god exists and I’ll never bring it up again, you can’t be an outside observer, and see the fallacy of religion in some aspects but then accept others. If they didn’t have an enemy there would be no way they could justify locking down the media their own people views, this is a trick that the world learned from Hitler… the war on hearts and minds in order to create an un-ending war and unwavering power for corrupt leaders. If they didn’t have the fear of an enemy attack to hang around your neck, then there’s no way you’d ever give up your liberty for a little security. I wish to see the day that governments stop using failed dictators as springboards for creating new policy and instead start making decisions that make sense. Just remember, not all Jews are Zionists, and not all Arabs are Terrorists, use your brain, use logic in the place of fear and things start making a lot more sense.
Wishing America was free of Israel is another thing entirely, yeah, it would be nice, but I imagine we’d see peace in the middle east first (meaning don’t count on it).
So go ahead Lily, be proud, hell, I’d save that laptop as a souvenir, put it on my wall, cause I’d take a bullet anytime to defend what I believe in, just be glad it was your laptop.
Israel is the USA’s employee – why would they want to be free of it? It performs an important task – allowing them to exert their influence in the region.
Also, there’s no peace in the middle east because Israel and the US have been preventing it for 30 years.
If only there was some way both people could forgive each other for past misdeeds… recognize faults, and move on.
Are you kidding? People in this forum want to start another infatada over one shot up laptop that Israel has already said they are going to pay for, and you think that anyone is going to forgive full blown wars, and decades long terrorism campaigns?
Crazy idea I know… we are all dying to hate eachother, but at the end of the day after all the posturing and and hypocrisy, I reserve hope that we can see eachother for what we are and feel the want for more.
HD shouldl actually be o.k by the look of the wounds they are not near where the HD is located internally…
good luck
What if it WAS a bomb? I’m sorry, but “Israeli aggression” is the wrong term for this…
I am rooting for our Military men in Afghanistan are allowed complete their mission. The House needs to approve the funding needed to purchase the bullet proof vests and other supplies required to bring peace to the region.
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gee whillikers there is a lot of hatred out there.
you guys are in so much pain.
how does it feel to be so closed down?
I had a bad computer experience at the border when trying to leave Israel for the US. In short, they were like “it might be a bomb, but we can’t tell with the facilities at this airport, so we need to confiscate it, take it to another facility for a few days, and examine it, and we’ll mail it to you when we’re done with it.” Probably because I belong to a left-wing congregation – Machar, Secular Humanist (atheist) Judaism – and because my story of being in Israel to stalk a rock star was too weird. What ended up happening is that I didn’t go on the flight at all, since that was the only way they’d let me keep my laptop, and I ended up having to buy a new ticket. After reading this story, I see it could have been worse. The longer description of my experience is here:
http://cityofspheres.livejournal.com/26043.html
Honestly, can’t we just let Iran take care of Israel? All they talk about is how they want peace and how the rest f the world is against them but look at how they act?
They are trying to extirminate the Palestinians and in the face of the world denying such a thing. Well f them. I am an Ameriican and the fact that my tax money was used to kill innocent Palestinians is absolutley disgusting. Perhaps we should subject every single Israeli to the same scare tactics when they enter the USA. It is no wonder so many people around the world dislike Israelis. Stupid is as stupid does. Heck , Forest new that. Why don’t they?
Haven’t you realized yet that advocating genocide makes you look you look stupid and mean? Take a look in the mirror and you’ll see!
I’m curious….did the bullets penetrate all the way through the Macbook? It looks like the rounds didn’t go through the base of the Macbook
I would rather have border police like this than border police that let danger through.
Your laptop is not worth as much as a human life. That is why they shot it: the cost to replace it is nothing compared to human life.
You just get inconvenienced. I’m sorry for your inconvenience, but these are the protocols that they need to follow to save lives.
Israel has a psychological complex on critisizm, especially self-critisizm by other jews or israelis toward israel. they tried to destroy Judge Goldberg when he critizised israel in Gaza in his Goldberg Report and they are doing the same thing to Lily. I applaud you for telling the story and we need more israelis to speak about their governement when they are wrong. No People in the world are perfect, everyone makes mistakes. it is those people who admit their mistakes and correct them that are true and deserving of respect. since the establishment of Israel, til now, israel has never admitted to any faults and there are many.
Wow…
I was just there a week ago, and the guards were all fine. Not chummy and friendly, but not rude…and very professional. I never had any problems, although i must say they are very thorough in checking the luggage of all the passengers going in and leaving the country.
Lily, while i do not know why you had all those so-called “suspicious” items, as a Mac user, i feel your pain…
…and might I add that my MacBook Pro went through unscathed too…
Wow. This entire blog appears to be hijacked by people like the border guards who got stupid with the laptop. There seems to be no end to the compeletly unwarrented personal attacks.
I guess the media attention has turned over some rocks. Keep up the good work guys
your really selling Israel.
I´m never going to Israel. Is That how they treat turists by blowing up their laptops. Seriously there are many idiots in this world. I think they laught about it afterward… jerks.
Lily too bad about your laptop.
I’m sure you researched all the countries you visited before you visited them to, at the very least, avoid some local faux pas. Why should Israel have been any different? You come to a country which has suffered from bombings for decades. These bombs have been ingeniously hidden inside every day objects, even loaves of bread. You left your bag unattended, which every Israeli knows is forbidden. In the airport there are signs written in several languages warning travelers not to leave luggage unattended. So really, you don’t have any excuse for doing so. The security people have the Sisyphean task of detecting and neutralizing such hidden bombs. Shooting suspicious objects in a controlled manner is an accepted protocol.
So now you know.
Enjoy your visit.
sheer wanton aggression…….it’s what jews do
Did you know that anti-semitism rots the brain? Try completing a rational thought and you’ll understand. Everyone around you already realizes that your mind is pretty much gone.
Poor thing! This event isn’t funny at all. Your story is published in our country – http://travel.newsru.com/article/16Dec2009/shotlaptopisr/
This is one of the well-known news site in Russia.
The problem is not the computer itself because as you said, you have all your files back. The real problem is the message sent by the Israeli security officers. Destroying your computer they are not trying to erase any possible terrorism plan, They are just trying to show an intimidation power.
They are doing exacly what they suppose to combat.
What a stupid comment. Destroying an unattended computer left by a suspicious person (maps of the bus station – a prime target, Jew-hating photos and literature, just came from an Arab country, etc.) is exactly how terrorism is deterred. How would you possibly know what the border guards were thinking? Please write something intelligent the next time.
I had 3 uncles…….2 were murdered in Buchanwald
I had 4 brothers …1 was murdered in a suicide bombing in Jerusalem
I had a cousin …….murdered by arab terrorists
Excuse me if I dont care a f**k about your laptop
BTW did I mention my cousin was killed in the us army in Iraq?
Sorry for your loss Jerry. But what brings you to a land that doesn’t belong to you? You chose to come to this land and oppress its people and you complain about losing beloved ones in the mean time? What about people that did nothing to the Jews in Europe to found them flooding there land and kicking them out by force not to mention the massacres?
That is Isreal ,,, and hey guyz !!!!!! we r talking about a LAPTOP, while there is alot of these bullets in palestinians bodies not laptops
Golda Meir said “When Arabs decide to love their children more than they hate us, then there will be peace”. That hasn’t happened yet, and probably won’t for a long time.
Golda Meir also said that were no palestinians. Then she proceded to steal their land. A whole people didn’t exist in her mind. She had allready condemned them to cultural genocide.
Why must Israel act so agressively? Why? Why must those terrible Jews be so concerned and paranoid towards the innocent, powerless Arabs? Islam is a religion of peace. In fact, the word Islam means peace and not submission as some detractors have said. Miss Lily Sussman herself, a half-Jewess, made the statement that the Israels Jews are aggressive.
Why does Israel have to worry about the safety of its Jews and other citizens?
Here is why: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8418990.stm
Read that and see what the people who profess a religion of peace do to people who have lived in a plcae for 1400 years.
I’m not sure whose side you’re on, but thanks for the link. Turns out my former roommate is involved in resettling the refugees (Jews fleeing the antisemitism in Yemen), and I am going to help him out with the logistics of bringing them clothes and furniture.
The big shock is seeing
JEWISH WOMEN IN BURKAS
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125693376195819343.html
What kind of stupidity is that? The Jews that left Yemen did it in same way as those left from US. Not from antisemitism, but from zionist projects to colonize the land stolen from the palestinians.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Magic_Carpet_%28Yemen%29
I’m sorry to say that if some boarder patrol idiot tried that on my gear, Me being a nerd and loving my computer more than anything else, I probably would have put someone in a rear naked choke and took his sidearm and see how they like me shooting up their office equipment…
How can they justify putting holes through a laptop for no better reason than pretty much something to do?
This is why I travel in North America. Its not the terrorists that make bad names for there lands. Its the damn Boarder patrol that are the real terrorists !!
> Assaf: get your facts straight on this NGO Monitor, their polictical, biased and only support organizations that are right wing and any Palestinain NGO exposing the illegal atrocities of israel is blamed as Terrorist org! Basically this NGO-Monitor of yours does not practice the same degree of transparency that it demands from others.
And Lily, its a shame for yr Laptop, the anxiety and the stress they put you through, hope you get compensated. Theres no excuse for thier action but that you probably ticked an 18yrd old green stem border control. Any action they take could always excused for security which is really becomeing lame like the excuse of their existence!
More info: http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1259243045210&pagename=JPArticle/ShowFull
Oh my crap !
Better yet… Why do we (rest of the world) put up with Israels bully behavior. They use the holocaust as a catch all excuse to do whatever they want.
Sorry, but just because you’ve been persecuted does not mean that you should do the same to others. It is your soul Israel you are tainting it red with blood just like the ones that have wronged you. In the end I suspect Israel may prove its critics correct.. as evil as those horrid nazi’s. Fine line you are walking!
Comparing Israel to Nazis is what bigots do to justify thousands of years of persecuting Jews.
hz, your racism is showing again.
WOw , so many comments, sorry if it is already said but, this is insane, well besides the paranoia of terrorism, WHY do they had to shoot at it?????, cant they just they confiscate it or something like that???, there is so many bullets in Israel that they have to use it to destroy laptops of inocent people????,
this is mandnesss, noo this is ISRAAELL
Esses Israelenses são Nazistas ! Tornaram-se aquilo que pior tinha passado com eles. Dão tratamento Nazista para palestinos e arabes.
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Today, Israel = Nazi (something awful !!)
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Mo commentary:
Hmmm…
-hand drawn map of downtown Jerusalem
-Arabic stickers on laptop
-“F**k Star of David” pic on phone
-passport stamps from Arab countries
-various Arab publications
-photos condemning Israeli military action in Gaza
Why didn’t she just tape road flares to her chest? Of course the guardgot suspicious and called for the bomb squad. Stupid hippie..
100% there is not something she told us, Israeli securityare’not stupid, far from it. there would definately be a reason as to why they where searching her and why they were pissed of enough to shoot her laptop
there are explosives called C4 and Semtex which are incredibly hard/impossible to detect with scanners, and which can be very easily hidden inside the dense and complicated and so hard to differ rich content of a laptop…
add to it rising in the security profile as someone who as suspected as anti-israeli…
add to it the many cases over the years where terror organizations used unssupecting friends to smuggle explosives and bombs through customs and border checks…
add to it the incredibly high number of alerts regarding CURRENT intentions to perform terror attacks against israeli targets, many from egyptian located organizations…
and you get that sad and tragic result that cost the life of your Mac… thanks heavens no one else was hurt in the process…
btw, the israeli authorities promive full compensation in such cases, when the shot object turns out to be innocent…
last, but not least – some countries would have refused to let a person enter, if he carries stuff which creates a suspicion that he hates that country. and most non-u.s citizens would be much more careful when considering entereing the u.s, bearing anti-u.s stuff.. you suffer a little bit of the ‘no-one-ca-touch-or-suspect-me’ syndrom…
Our support to you Lily , your mistake is that you chosen the wrong country to tour , you are always welcomed in Arabia 🙂
Israel lives in fear afraid of revenge for their crimes , they’ll never taste the peace with their neighbours . This will be for good
Hi Lily,
I met many people (European tourists in Israel, like me) who have been kept for hours at the border or at the airport, who have been checked every single file of their computer and cameras, even a girl who has been kept her laptop and never given back… but it’s the first time I hear about a laptop being shot!
Many people in Israel are very nice, but their conception about what is wrong and what is right is quite different than our.
I’m sorry I don’t use my real name, but sooner or later I’ll need to go through those controls and I noticed they are not very kind if you don’t agree with their methods.
Many Europeans I met, have been even checked their Facebook for pro-Palestine opinions and their bank account to see if they took money from West Bank ATMs…
You’ll have to go through all this when you’ll leave, and being your name public (on The Guardian!) and probably blacklisted, it won’t be very easy 😦
The original name of the country of Jordan was Trans-Jordanian Palestine.
The Kingdom of Jordan dropped the Palestine part to distance itself from the fact that Jordan is a country that did not exist before 1917, and that its first king was a Saudi.
There NEVER was a country called Palestine. The land was called Palestine after the Philistines by the Romans after about 70 CE.
Prior to 1948, the term Palestinian referred to Jews who lived in the Land of Israel. It was in the 1960’s that Arafat took the word OPalestine and applied to the descendants of those Arab invaders who had come to the Land of Israel after about 700 CE.
The modern Palestinian Muslims are notorious for killing Greek Orthodox Christian Arabs and otherwise chasing them out. They are not interested in peace.
When archaeologists dig in Israel, they never find old scrolls written in Arabic or from some Period of Palestinian rule. They find scrolls written in Hebrew.
For all those who claim that Jews invaded Palestine, please explain why there is no eveidence of Palestine occupation of Israel until recent times, but there is archaeological evidence of Jewish presence in Israel since before 700 BCE? Why are all the Dead Sea Scrolls in Hebrew and none are in Arabic?
I refer to this two statements you make:
“There NEVER was a country called Palestine.”
“Prior to 1948, the term Palestinian referred to Jews who lived in the Land of Israel.”
First, you contradict yourself by saying there was NO country called Palestine, then go on to say speak about Palestinian Jews.
The fact of the matter is that, and according to the US commissioned King-Crane Report of 1919, there was a PALESTINIAN population who lived in PALESTINIAN towns. The report cites that Palestinians comprised of Christians, Jews, Arabs and Others living together in relative peace. The report was commissioned by US President Woodrow Wilson.
http://www.ralphmag.org/BI/king-crane-2.html
“…For all those who claim that Jews invaded Palestine, please explain why there is no eveidence of Palestine occupation of Israel until recent times…”
There’s heaps of evidence for those who want seek out the unbiased truth. “…The Assyrian emperor Sargon II called the same region Palashtu or Pilistu in his Annals…In the 5th century BCE, Herodotus wrote in Ancient Greek of a ‘district of Syria, called Palaistinê” (whence Palaestina, whence Palestine)…”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine
What I like to look at are maps of Ancient Palestine and the Holy Land. There is no mistaking that Palestine clearly existed long before “recent times” according to these two maps from the 1800s. It kind of lays to rest your claim that “Palestine” is a RECENT term.
http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~818~60123:Ancient-Palestine–The-Illustration
Remember, Jewish towns are built on the remains of Palestinian villages, the Jewish town of Sderot exists where Najd once stood, it stands to reason given that Israel was created on Palestinian lands, according to the ancient maps.
People are mean, just look at most of these comments..
i Just have to say that i loved what Erika said up there …
as a Christian Arab living in occupied Palestine, we have to deal with this attitude on a daily basis, they think they are doing the right thing cause they cannot see outside of their own views, i mean i understand that they are scared, but this is not the way to deal with your fear …
as you noticed, every Israeli who commented here talks about Arab countries as terrorists, what they don’t understand is that Arab patriots are just REACTING to all the wrong doing that have been committed here for the past 70 years !
and as George Carlin once said “Israeli murderers are called Commandos, Arab Commandos are called Terrorist” 😉
all it takes for all this to stop is to give back what you’ve stolen from others, ask forgiveness, and for god’s sake, let some international force in here to sort the rest, cause if you leave it to the locals, it wont ever end… (if someone took something that belonged to you that is very dear to your heart, wont you do everything to get it back?)
we just wanna live in peace & harmony …
If you want to live in harmony with your beloved Arab commandos that use THEIR OWN PEOPLE AS HUMAN SHIELDS then get the fuck out of Israel you think your life is bad?Try living in Iran where your peace loving just people slaughter their own because they think differently from the government where if you hike in their territory you are considered a spy where if you express freedom of speech you go to jail WHERE you oppose the government people demand your death
No one deserves ANYTHING when they take pride in killing innocent men women and children by sending out your god damn arab suicide bombers THOSE ARE TOERORISTS THOSE PEOPLE WILL BURN IN HELL NO MATTER WHAT YOU BELIEVE YOU WILL NEVER SEE HAPPINESS YOU WILL NEVER SEE YOUR DAMN VIRGINS IN HEAVEN YOU WILL BURN IN HELL
So from israel and from an actual HUMAN go to hell you god damn human virus
I`d also like to say that i believe or atleast would like to believe that not all arabs are like hamas hezbollah iran or any of those “arab commandos” i`ve met arabs that all they want to do is just live a normal life dont care about this so called palestine country and they themselfs dread the life that arabs live OUTSIDE of israel in countries like syria lebanon iran iraq etc… because they know that even though arabs call us monsters the ultimate evil the zionist invaders… that life outside of democratic israel in those countries is true hell where if you say one word out of order about the country`s leader you will pay dearly but dont take my word on that go try yourselfs life in syria or iran or whatever the fuck
Dear Leo, I Truly Pity your brainwashed life …
how can you comment about places you never stepped foot in ?
Comments based on Hollywood movies or CNN reports, i shouldn’t even replay, but wth ..
it would surly be your wet dream if all the 48 Arabs would just leave their homeland & their homes that they owned for hundreds of years, for your convenience, so no ty, but just to put you at ease, i would happily live under an Arabic Government here in my homeland, if you are willing to move to a different piece of land like you did 60 years ago.
Iranians aren’t Arab. I can’t even take the rest of your argument seriously if you don’t even know something so simple as that.
It’s standard procedure to clear the area and shoot unattended bags in Israel. Particularly in your case you should note that notebook cases were used an a series of attempted bombings years ago, most likely because notebook cases are more rigid and less revealing as well as perhaps appearing less menacing.
Clearly bias “journalism” from a philistine.
You should thank God for the fact that you were suspected by the Israelis, not by the police in a Moslem country, where they would first confiscate your computer, then blow up your stupid head, after gang raping you.
Sionists…
Monoteism has ruined the world.
Anyone who doesn’t like us doesn’t have to visit us. Of course we have the right to shoot computers to protect our security. And we also have the right to shoot people when they endanger us. Do we have fewer rights than the nations of the world? And of course their rockets kill fewer people than our army does. God protects His people in His land. Their stupid rockets shot by stupid people usually miss their targets. The Mohammedans control everything from West Africa to the Indo-Pak border and then much east of India. Our country is so tiny that you need a magnifying glass to see us on a world map. Of course we will use our brains to take the measures that we need to protect ourselves. We offered her a new computer, probably better than what she had. If she doesn’t like us let her take it and be on her way. I suggest that, as long as she is in the Middle East, let her go to Iran and get married.
It’s their country too, remember?
While pictures of your laptop getting shot up is both scary and enlightening, I think the best part of this post is the comments. Now internet comment sections are almost always a crazy festival of “Freedom of speech” “we hate group A!” “We hate group B!” But some of the comments here are downright disgusting.
Go get married in Iran? Go die? Stay home and be a good little women?
May all your personal gods take pity on the stupidity of this conflict and the idiocy that is bred from it. Maybe one day that part of the world can pull itself out of it’s own asshole and truly follow their faith in a peaceful way. Maybe.
Hi Lily
Thanks God you are alive since now…
think, they may be kill you replace of your laptop
I’m sorry for Israel
you can join our annual parade opposite of Israel
about 10 Sep 2010
all anti-Israels over world gather in the last Friday of Ramadan (Hijri Calendar)
and tell “Down with Israel”
see you there
Someone should start producing and selling bullet-proof laptops – “Specially for Israel” :)) Dell maybe 🙂
Good business idea!
I think there should be a limit to envy…..
Hey there my friend usually I dont post on many blogs these days, but I would like to let you know that this article really forced me to do so! Keep up the nice work my friend, I love your page
This is why a) I don’t travel and b)even locally I leave my Macbook Pro at home and take the netbook with me when I need to.
olle lo siento por tu apple llo hubiera llorado amo apple lo siento
Shoot Different©
I love it when people from the UK preach to us about rights and security. Aside from your bloody colonial history in many parts of the world, did you forget that your police shot and killed a brazilian in the streets of London “thinking he was a terrorist” Did you forget that your country went to war in a remote part of the world, the Falklands, even though there was no direct threat to the UK? Did you forget that two brits came to Israel. attacked a pub, and only because the security guard at the door stopped one of them, 3 people were killed and 55 wounded. Two French tourists were later found with bullets and pictures of possible terror targets in their possession.
“Jacob blues.
Do you really think shooting that laptop might have made the world a safer place? Do you really consider it was “… protecting not just their homes but families including parents, siblings, children, and neighbors.”
For that matter, do you really think a terrorist would try entering the country with such obvious ‘anti Israel’ indicators?
No, the real reason the border police act in this disgraceful manner (to those of us in liberal democracies) is that they’re socialised or institutionalised to be malicious to Palestinians. End of.”
It absolutely blows me away how so many people come to so many conclusions without possibly knowing the full story (which may never be known). This is a great example as to how the public at large can and will be manipulated with only a basic amount of information.
if you have any kind of opinion as to whether the shooting was justified or not, then you can look in the mirror and say: “Someday, I will be led down a path of someone else’s choosing.”
If you are smart enough to not form an opinion because there’s not enough information to do so, then congrats. You’re one of the one percenters.
The Brazilian that was shot by the police in London deserved what he got, considering the circumstances at the time. He was running and should simply have stopped when told to.
As for the Israelis and Palestinians, they’re all animals. Actually worse than animals since they enjoy war and killing each other in the name of a God that doesn’t exist.
People are posting about the bad experiences they’ve had at the Israeli border, as if Israel were some extra-lousy place for this to happen.
Humbug!
I’ve been harrassed several times at the American-Canadian border despite have legit passport, substantiated reason for entering America, etc.
One time the Americans simply told me I wasn’t welcome because I didn’t have enough money, so I had to cross back to Canada, get more money, then they were shocked when I showed up again expecting that they had gotten rid of me. Then then wanted to search me and my car, but after 5 hours of harassment they finally let me go.
The Israelis can be offensive at times, but for the most part they’re pretty civilized.
Remember those two British “backpackers” who were really suicide bombers and killed some people at a beach pub in Tel Aviv?
You can’t blame the Israelis for being somewhat paranoid in light of the fact that so many whacko terrorists are still trying to kill them.
end of the day, remember the rule, when in rome….clearly not in kansas anymore, as such, you have to adapt and play by their rules. over here, such non-sense would never fly, you could get a lawyer, raise all kinds of hell and probably get 2 (new) cpus, and have someone working a desk job for 6 months. elsewhere, not so much, i’d say keep in that mind for the next trip
I’m impressed with your laptop surviving so well, and your comments that suggest you will put this behind you – rather charitable in the circumstances, but I hope you have made arrangements for full back-up of your essential work and information as most border controls insist they can not be held responsible for such losses (eg US border controls) and if your data is gone it’s gone even if they were to compensate you.
Their actions do not make any sense, but you were rather naive to leave your baggage unattended in such a paranoid society and at a security zone/border control. Maybe you should be a little more paranoid about the images you keep and comments you make in such a ridiculously paranoid region of the world – don’t give them any excuse – the ideal of a ‘free’ country hardly exists in any part of the world, never mind Britain, the US, Israel or many of the Arab states – you are likely to be persecuted for your views!
But as I said your Mac did well – I cannot imagine any other laptop (most likely made of palstic) still being in one piece – it protected your hard drive and therefore your data 🙂
If I understand correctly, they did not know what was in your bag, did they?
fake
As an Israeli myself, I can tell you for certain that Israelis don’t think that their shit stinks and they have this distorted sense of entitlement about them that makes them think they can do whatever they like. They are extremely deluded and they don’t view Palestinians as people, but as monsters.
iamsam – you are not Israeli if you say that. Israelis are not deluded and they very much view the Palestinians as people. If they didn’t, they could have easily wiped them out in 2 weeks.
you had me until the “fuck jews” sticker… at that point, you should have shot your own laptop.
It was a picture of graffiti in Cairo. I take pictures of unusual things and those which touch and disturb me. Not all in this world is pretty, by taking a picture I am examining and thinking; in no way approving. I understand why it might have alarmed security.
An example from Israel, I took a picture of graffiti that says, “I love war.”
Sorry, they’ve been at war for thousands of years with very close neighbors and don’t really give a shit about political correctness, your feelings, pretty much any stupid liberal bullshit and def not your laptop with extremist hate stickers. In other words. You deserved that. 99% of Americans don’t even know how perfect our lives are and all most of the young generation wants to do is bitch. Spoiled bastards
Ever heard of “Time Machine?”
Hi Lily,
Welcome to Israel indeed.
The extreme security measures you witnessed are indeed harsh, but this happens for a reason: safety.
As you and everyone else probably know, Israel is a state in a constant day to day threat from all sorts of fundamentalist terrorists. The security measures you witnessed are something that the citizens of Israel have to live with on a day to day basis, and we put up with it because it’s our lives that are threatened and this is an inconvenience we have to live with as long as fundamentalist terrorists exist. Fortunately, this tight security implemented in the past few years has its rewards: the suicide bombs that were common in the past were diminished to nearly nothing, and it’s now actually safer to travel in Tel Aviv or Jerusalem then in most major capitals in Europe and major cities in the US – especially when you’re a lone girl wandering in the street in the middle of the night all by yourself. After you see how hostile some other places can be at night, you really learn to appreciate it.
What you did – leaving your laptop unattended in an area where you were already warned that unattended suspicious carriage will be blown up – was stupid. But don’t beat yourself up about it: I myself had my backpack (with my army unit insignia) once nearly blown up because I was just as stupid and left it “for just 5 minutes” when I went to buy a cold milkshake in a central bus station. When I was back there the police bomb squad was on their way to pierce my backpack.
I should have known better, and so should have you. I’m actually glad they shot your laptop, because it could have been a bomb – and when terrorist threats are a daily routine it’s better to play safe then sorry.
I hope for you that someone will compensate you for your losses. If it’s not the Israeli state (they actually have a process for that: not something you would expect in most other countries where you didn’t obey instructions, be it Egypt of the US), then perhaps Apple PR guys will see an opportunity with this and run a publicity stunt.
The funny thing is that you might not be aware of this, but because of all the media storm your blog created the Israeli government should probably thank you for two things:
1) Increasing awareness among travelers to watch their belongings (and hopefully decrease the number of such incidents in the future)
2) Bringing this info to everyone including the crazy extremist, who know now how tight the security measures are, so hopefully they wouldn’t even bother trying.
And for that I guess people should thank you. Enjoy the rest of your stay here.
Please read more carefully before criticizing and making assumptions. I did not leave my bag unattended. It was with the security personnel the entire time.
Furthermore, my laptop was not in those bags. They asked me to take my computer out of my backpack toward the beginning of the search/questioning and had it in their possession for the following two hours.
Hej, i would say mot likely they swabbed your macbook and it showed traces of explosives, therefore they chose to destroy you laptop.
It true that the swabbed might show a false-positive but it is also true that if someone that might have handled explosives, could that be a relative, a friend, someone in your family or even the staff at the border-crossing that could trigger a positive response.
In most cases you would then try to determine if there was in fact something inside the laptop, but if I as an EOD trained officer would have reasons to beleve that the person carriying the laptop is suspicious, by fo instance you not giving strait answers to questions and smirking and behaving like a spoiled obnoxious brat, then i might also put some rounds in your laptop, just to be on the safe side 😉
1) Why anyone who is not from the Middle East would even think of visiting there is beyond me, but let’s assume you’re not a cynical paranoid like me, which leads us to:
2) This is Israel we’re talking about. It’s a war zone, independently of where one’s sympathies may lie. Being surprised about an episode of this kind is akin to feeling baffled by the lack of decent strip joints in Provo, Utah.
I never cease to wonder about people traveling to “exotic” destinations, then going all ooooh-aaaaah when mathematically predictable shit happens to them at the exact predictable places.
That said, Ms. Sussman does keep a fairly cheerful tone about the whole thing, which tells me she wasn’t completely unaware of her surroundings and the inherent circumstances. Still, I’ll be damned if I ever go beyond Greece…
You are wellcom Lilly ))
The ADL should give you a new MacBook. If you didn’t get a new Macbook yet, setup a PayPal donate, and I’ll throw $5 in for you! As an American Jew, I’m embarrassed by this.
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iamsam – ‘As an Israeli myself, I can tell you for certain that Israelis don’t think that their shit stinks and they have this distorted sense of entitlement about them that makes them think they can do whatever they like. They are extremely deluded and they don’t view Palestinians as people, but as monsters.’
Better take you medications and perhaps leave Israel if that is your impression of the one Western Liberal Democracy in the Middle east.
So, were you compensated for the laptop? I am a bit pessimistic, because of these three facts:
1) The computer’s content wasn’t completely destroyed – the hard drive containing your years of work was unscathed – not even dunked in a barrel of corrosive.
2) This very post. An unwritten rule about compensation requires some sort of non-disclosure.
3) Anything that passes through transit screening is subject to inspection and disposal without any compensation of any kind, even if they are insured.
So even though they said they would pay for it, they probably might not follow through. Please prove me wrong.
This is reason enough to nuke Israel.
Before saying what I have to say I would like to suggest that when people comment on other people’s comments they should mention by name or nickname the person they are commenting on. There are so many comments here it is hard to tell what people are talking about.
A number of people have commented on the fact that everybody seems to be picking on Israel when many other countries, East and West, take much rougher measures to protect their security. Why should so much attention be on us when the Mohammedans rule everything from West Africa to the Indo-Pak border, and then again past India east and south, while we are so tiny you need a magnifying glass to see us on a world map?
In my humble opinion the answer is as follows. We refused to accept the religion of Lavan the Arami (That’s in the Bible). We refused to accept the religion of the Egyptians. We refused to accept the religions of Persia, Greece, Rome, Jesus, Mohammed and every other religion of people who thought they knew it all and that everybody had better think like them. Of course we have also lived among Hindus, Buddhists, Chinese and Shinto people. But we have had no problem with them because South and East Asian religions are tolerant and open minded and they even have a sense of humour. Like us Jews they don’t try to get everybody to be like them. We have been a living insult to the intolerant religions, perhaps most of all to the Mohammedans. Look at what a scientifically and culturally advanced, happy nation we have built in their midst! There are other reasons for anti-Semitism but if you want to start understanding things you must start with our living insult to those who think they know what is best for everybody.
“We have been a living insult to the intolerant religions, perhaps most of all to the Mohammedans”.
Mmmm. Reminds me of my time there.
So please Yeruham and the others according to whom Israel is a democracy, tell me that I am wrong when I say that:
– I was not authorised to marry my Israeli GF because I am not Jewish (we married abroad, thank you very much) and our marriage will not be recognise to its full extent in Israel,
– Arab Israelis do not have the same rights as Jewish Israelis even if it is formally guaranteed (I think the quote I lifted from your post is quite eloquent with regards to the treatment of Arab Israelis there),
– Racial or religious profiling is an omnipresent reality in Israel, etc…
Moreover, I noticed the strange trend, which consist in calling every one disagreeing with an Israel policy an anti-Semite. Any time I tried to voice my opinions, that’s what people called me to my face. My then GF (and now wife) was of course a “self hating Jew” for the same reason (and for marrying a goy, that goes without saying).
I am not saying here that all is bad in Israel. I spend 3 fabulous years in Tel-Aviv and met there my love and some really good friends. But pretending that all is fine with the way Israel deals with the hardships it has to face? Calling Israel a Democracy? Please….
Mr my2cents,
I suggest you read both my posting and yours carefully. You accuse me of saying things which I did not say.
Yeruham
Eight years ago, me beloved Minolta Maxxum 7 (in her case) fell out in Jerusalem’s central bus station. They blew it up as well.
And they were perfectly right.
Ask any bomb disposal expert you know: you can hide enough explosives within a laptop (or a camera) to kill several people (that’s why they ask you to activate your laptop in airports – to make sure it’s a true laptop and not only a clam full of explosives).
The claims about the holes in the LCD ‘proving’ that it was unnecessary to shoot the laptop are rubbish. It’s not important WHERE the robot (perhaps something like this, armed with a shotgun: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ANDROS-sap1.jpg) hits the item – it’s the shock. My camera also suffered three hits, so I believe it’s a standard procedure: if after three shot’s it doesn’t explode, then it won’t explode. Of course, one could try and send an expert to dismantle any suspicious item, but if it IS a bomb, he will be in danger – so, most time police in israel, as well as in other places in the world, prefare just to blow it up and risk some material damage.
While I can’t comment about events to which I was not a witness, there is one part of the story which seems to me EXTREMELY unlikely, to say the least, and it is the claim that after the loudspeakers declared there’s a suspected item, the author could reach her laptop without anyone stopping her, and then calmly leave it there and leave. It just doesn’t happen this way: I was witness to several similar situations (not one real bomb, sorry) and the police ALWAYS moved the crowd from the area ALWAYS blocked any approach to the item, and ALWAYS, if someone claimed the item belongs to him, question him and allow him to take it without blowing it up, once they are satisfied that he is really who he claims to be.
The sequence described in this post doesn’t make sens at all – espcially when one considers bomb disposal squads SOP, all over the world.
Jesus guys! “Why would she just leave it there unattended?”
Well I don’t know. Maybe because the guards have GUNS and will probably SHOOT HER?
I hope they pay for a new one, and it’s good you managed to save your data.
They destroyed your property for no reason.
The last conversation that was had before they shot the laptop was:
Guard 1: “Do you think she has a backup of all her data?”
Guard 2: “Well, I hope she is like Jesus… because Jesus saves.”
Baddum-bum.
Thank you and good night.
My first reaction is LOL. My reaction if this was me would be WTF! Hope it all works out for you, thats messed up!
They were young idiots. Any item can be a bomb – Do they go around shooting everything they see? If it was a bomb, shooting it could have detonated it there and if they moved it icould have gone off too – so their actions make no sense. They could have easily just as easily asked you to open it up/turn it on, etc like all the other security officers around the world.
One way to definitely deter people from visiting Israel I guess… If they don’t want tourists they should just tell us beforehand.
Did not hit hard.
those who did it – the moral monsters, who live in the Stone Age
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All of you are sick!
If for israelis USA was too small and they definatelly want anclave in arab conquered world, please, close all the borders and build high wall and ignore each other for some hundred years. Are you not sick for all these killings and deaths – both of you – arabs and jews? All of the world suffers because of you!
P.S. I live in Europe and I am nor jewish, nor arab, nor muslim, nor christian.
Is English your native language?
I’m sorry but I can’t follow what you’re saying.
The USA is too small for Israelis? What the heck does that mean?
An arab conquered world?
All of the world suffers because of Arabs and Jews?
There are a lot of people who are sick of killings and deaths but unfortunately there are still people who aren’t. I’m not sure how this helps us in any way though.
It’s surprising that they didn’t throw you in jail, many people who israel deems “suspicious” are thrown in jail (via the IOF), including Jews (self-hating, of course – sarcasm intended).
Merry Christmas to you to:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8430553.stm
I’m not surprised that people like you post here, you see in Lily a kindred spirit. A swastika in a Star of David after millions of our people were murdered by the Nazis. Unfortunately for people like you, we now have our own country and own army so we don’t have to take crap from anti-semites
fourthreichisrael said, on December 25, 2009 at 6:48 pm
It’s surprising that they didn’t throw you in jail, many people who israel deems “suspicious” are thrown in jail (via the IOF), including Jews (self-hating, of course – sarcasm intended).
So much bullshit!
I have been to Israel many time and it is not even close to what you are describing here…
@dave,
of course your travels are indicative of the millions of all other travelers experiences.
i once got on a plane to orange county…florida. i live in orange county, california. this was WAY before 9/11 and somehow i was actually let onto the plane. no one realized it until the pilot was giving the routine talk about the flight and mentioned orlando.
since you are making the argument that your experiences are probably the experiences of everyone else, could i make the same assumption that you have been let on a plane to a different destination and didnt realize it until almost take off? i mean since we all somehow miraculously share the same experiences through life, i am sure that this EXACT scenario has happened to you at sometime during your entire life.
You’re typical stupid white american! Crossing Izraeli border from Egipt with arabic sticers all over, Syrian stamps in your passport and a silly manners like – I didn’t know what the fuck judaism is – I am astounded you were let to enter the country at all! All the “stupid” questions you were asked is a bloody routine for everyone arriving to Israel from anywhere! If you look in the newspapers, read some books or do other stupid time-consuming stuff you have never done before you’ll find out that there are some people that enter Israel from arabic countries and than commit terrorist acts. So don’t be stupid and don’t make much fuss about it. My friend got his laptop totally disassembled at an Israely security check in an Airport – he didn’t ever made a note anywhere about “welcome to Israel” because he understood the state of affairs in the country. So shame on you crying like little girl – “mommy, mommy bad boy took my toy!”
Serves you right, bitch.
They should’ve putted one bullet through your forehead as well, just in case.
This past week, a native Nigerian, who was alleged to have had contact with Al-Qaeda in Yemen, tried to blow up a plane that had travelled from Europe to the USA.
The news reports said that he had a packet of an explosive powder sewn into the elastic wasitband of his underwear.
Had airport security in Amsterdam patted down Mr. Abdulmutallab, in a more effective search, he would have been caught before he had boarded the plain to Detroit. Had they had a better program of security, Mr. Abdulmutallab would have been caught, but there also would have been many people like Ms. Sussman who would have felt that security had imposed upon them.
It is too bad that Lilly lost her laptop. She had anti-Israeli stickers on display, and had an attitude of arrogance of the sort that leads people in the world to dislike Americans. Mr. Abdulmutallab is the son of a rich man, who is a former economic minister in Nigeria. If a man like Abdulmutallab who was educated in London could become so racicalized that he would be willing to kill himself to hurt others, why couldn’t some American white girl also be radicalized to hide a bomb on her person? For everyone like Sussman, a real bomb gets found and lives get saved.
@ Dr. Yusuf Al-Kindi
in your post you stated “For everyone like Sussman, a real bomb gets found and lives get saved.”, is an erroneous statement.
if people were truly trying to find a bomb, in a controlled environment…they would have detonated it. these guys were angered by sussmans viewpoints and wanted to strike out at her. if the border guards were to have detonated the bomb and not just shot it, i would not be arguing this point.
the yemeni this past christmas teaches us that people are still out there wanting to hurt us in any way possible. we should be vigilant…but we should never be vengeful.
Dear pixiegod,
Shooting at the laptop is the exact way to detonate a bomb or explosives hidden inside it, if exist.
You act so persistently trying to prove shooting at the laptop was wrong… but your arguments are wrong, void and biased.
Dr. Yusuf Al-Kindi is right, indeed his claims are Painfully simple and true – if there wasn’t a real constant terror threat against Israel from the Arab side – her laptop would still be intact.
I don’t know where are you from, but there are no hard feelings towards anyone who thinks Israel is wrong, many people find themselves thinking wrongfully regarding Israel – simply because the arab propaganda is far better than the Israeli one (and most farthest from the truth as well!…) – Arabs have oil; Arabs have more money; Arabs can say israel is the devil; and entire countries shall say Amen (which is an ancient HEBREW word, by the way…).
Shalom, Peace, Salam,
David
How do you know they were venegeful? Were you there? Did you talk to the security staff? Do you know what the procedures are for handling this kind of situation? Do you have personal experience in security matters of this kind? Israel has better things to do than play games.
If the Nigerian had been properly screened, he would not almost have murdered 279 people.
pixiegod said, on December 29, 2009 at 7:41 pm
@ Dr. Yusuf Al-Kindi
in your post you stated “For everyone like Sussman, a real bomb gets found and lives get saved.”, is an erroneous statement.
if people were truly trying to find a bomb, in a controlled environment…they would have detonated it. these guys were angered by sussmans viewpoints and wanted to strike out at her. if the border guards were to have detonated the bomb and not just shot it, i would not be arguing this point.
the yemeni this past christmas teaches us that people are still out there wanting to hurt us in any way possible. we should be vigilant…but we should never be vengeful.
@ David Dutch
using statements like “(and most farthest from the truth as well!…)” really doesnt help your point.
fact is in war…both sides are wrong. war is wrong. on both sides there will be acts of terror and revenge.
we can keep going back and forth, but think of it this way. in the beginning of israel, there was a bigger portion of the population that was for an israeli state. now through the actions of israeli’s, more and more people are turning against the israeli’s.
israel can keep on going on their self righteous route, an think they are free from any atrocities and keep sending people to the arab side of this debate…but i dont think this is what they intend to do. and ultimately this kind of thinking is bad for israel. it will only serve to alienate those that should be in their side.
or, you can condemn the actions of the few who are over zealous, and win those lost supporters back. the more people see that you are truly only protecting yourselves and not being vindictive, the more people will support your cause.
i personally dont care what you do. i dont live there. i am not planning to visit anytime soon either. i have no vested interest if the whole place either burns itself to the ground or if it truly finds peace. but i do in a way care about everyone involved.
no one should be abused. no one should worry that their loved ones wont come home for dinner. the only way to achieve that is to find a peaceful resolution to the whole problem…not to shoot laptops. not to constantly only find blame in the actions of others. both are at fault here for both are constantly justifying their actions, no matter how unjust due to previous faults done against them. if your goal is to continue this bloodshed until there is no one left to have issue with…then you are doing GREAT!
but if you truly want peace, then drive the whole process that way. ghandi had it right. and ghandi had a major affect on the world. and the last time i checked…ghandi never shot a laptop of someone who them disagreed with.
Sorry about your encounter with the border police, but this is pretty typical for Israel. It’s too bad that your friend who drew the map didn’t warn you about the border security. I was in Jerusalem, West Bank, and Gaza this summer researching and was advised not to have anything on me dealing with Palestinians, Islam, etc. when entering the country. I ripped all of the pages out of my notebook and planner and hid all of my Israeli/Palestinian conflict-related documents in zipped folders on my computer. It’s annoying but completely necessary.
I got caught in security for a couple hours at Ben Gurion regardless because one of the contacts in my phone was named Mohammed. I am a nineteen year old white female from Minnesota with stamps from only European countries on my passport — very dangerous.
Security in Israel can be very infuriating. If it’s that bad for white female American students, imagine how awful it is for Arabs and Palestinians 😦 Especially at the checkpoints. It took me and two directors of American aid organizations hours to get through the completely empty Erez crossing out of Gaza. When I was almost all the way through, I noticed that there was no one staffing the line for Palestinians leaving…some of the families were sleeping on chairs. They had clearly been there much longer than I would ever have to.
Lily,
A belated comment on the post and its aftermath.
I think your story suffers journalistically. Commenters here and elsewhere have speculated whether the incident was an unfortunate series of miscommunications or the result of a rogue security officer’s malice (I think we can safely rule out Israeli policy to eliminate laptops with Arabic content). Either is plausible, but you portray the act as clearly emblematic of Israeli aggression. Nothing you have written supports the argument that your computer was intentionally targeted.
Surely its a good story. I worked my ass off for years (never thought much about the fact that I was storing gigs of data on a hard drive without a backup. doh!!), and can you fuckin believe it, they shot up my computer. That’s good for a round of beers. In fact its probably good for a round every night for the rest of the school year. And it even makes good blogging of the ‘fuck me’ or the ‘its a crazy world out there’ variety. But when it’s loaded with a contentious political angle it smacks of self promotion. (I don’t mean to accuse you of writing a story to garner attention; only that you wrote it without thinking through the consequences. Tell the facts, and let the yahoos (on all sides of the aisle) yahoo. Don’t lead them there or your bias undermines the story’s integrity.
Please post the scan of your ticket as well the stamp in your passport on the day you were crossing the border.
I am very familiar with security rules, so on this staff you have to show the paper saying that your laptop was checked for security reasons. You had to receive this paper.
In any other case this post is a fake.
@david dutch
its funny, i was reading msn news or yahoo and saw this article linked from there.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1261364551818&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
this is exactly what i am talking about. i dont know if the jerusalem post is liberal or conservative…if its run by the arabs or the jewish people…but i do know this guy shares my sentiment.
Dear pixiegod,
The linked article proves nothing, since Isralelies don’t behave nor think the way Arabs do, there is no way one can compare between the two, nor can ask himself / herself the question in the linked article – The writer neglected that particular, unique point.
Here are some facts the writer chose to forget:
1. Israelies don’t want nor they aim to kill arabs. Arabs DO want to kill Israelies in each opportunity they have. Israelies just defend themselves. In fact – Israel nowadays has such a military might it can blow up the entire gaza strip and annihilate everything in it in a matter of few hours. It always choose not to, even if it’s own soldiers are in danger. Why? – because Jews sacred lives. plain and simple.
2. Israelies don’t have a job (!) which its sole purpose is to kill Arabs. Arabs DO – the more Jews they kill, the more other Arabs they kill (which some other Arab relates to them as collaborators) – the more they get paid…
3. Israelis DO NOT kill civilians. There isn’t even one Israeli who wakes up in the morning and think to himself / herself “let’s kill an arab”. All arabs killed by Israelis are either engaged in active terror, or that terrorists took refuge next to them. The small rest percentage – are pure mistakes, and whomever make mistakes – pays for them – in a court of law. The situation on the arab side IS this – THERE ARE ARABS WHO WAKE UP IN THE MORNING AND THEIR JOB (!) IS TO KILL ISRAELIES. WHOMEVER KILL MORE ISRAELIES – CONSIDERED BY THE ARABS AS A HERO. WHOMEVER KILL CIVILIANS – IS A HERO, WHOMEVER KILL OTHER ARABS – IS A HERO, WHOMEVER LIE AND SAY ISRAELIS SHOULD BE PUT TO DEATH – IS A HERO and it just goes on an on… and they DO NOT answer to their doings (talking about a twisted ARAB point of view ?)
4. There were years, back in the 70′ and 80′, Arabs and Israelies could sit together and talk, eat, work and laugh. The moment the arabs increased their terror acts – is the exact moment arabs (and Israelies!) strated to die, the wall was built, and security measures in the Israeli side were increased.
5. Even If you REALLY have access to information – you won’t be able to follow the names of the ARAB terrorists, simply because the huge amount of people (?) amongst the ARABS who practically WORK IN COMMITING TERRORIST ACTS.
6. The arabs hate Israelies more than they love their own people… otherwise – there would be peace a long time ago.
7. For 19 years (1948-1967) “Palestinians” were living under an Egyptian and Jordanian cruel and ruthless occupation. WHY DIDN’T THEY DEMAND BACK THEN FOR THEIR STATE ? Egypt and Jordan killed their people, controlled everybody’s life etc. and all of a sudden, just because Israelis freed them in 1967 they suddenly remembered they just have to demand “freedom” and have their own state ?
8. I am aware to the sad fact more and more people around the world are turning against Israel, but it is not for its actions, since its actions are almost 100% justified, it is because the arab propaganda is far better than the Israeli one. Israel has neglected the media aspect and forgot its a bloody war out there – even YOU, dear pixiegod, think Israel might be the blame…
May peace be upon us,
David
Dear David Dutch,
Sadly, i think you are more the problem than the solution. All blame in your post was directed towards the arabs…and you dont even make a distinction between the extremists and the normal arabs.
further talks with you are going to be silly. i will continue to try and show a middle of the road and you will completely try and have it one sided.
you are the reason more and more people are turning against israel. everyone has a right to that land, but your actions are going to help the extremist arabs gain even more legitimacy. i actually feel for the whole region if more and more people feel your way.
regardless, i wish you the best. i hope your thoughts on blaming unilaterally only one side of this issue is going to help, and i would request you get back with me when you reach the end of the road that your taking. i am sure attributing the acts of the arab extremists to the moderates and forgiving your sides extremists views is going to work exactly how you think its going to work out.
@Naftali
It is naive to think that bombs and suspected bombs are difused in real life the way they are in American TV shows like CSi or whatever it is you watch.
It is standard procedure to place suspected bombs in a safe container (it looks like a large concrete garbage receptacle, and then fire bullets into the package.
Naftali, your comment seemed to imply that if border security shot the laptop it was non standard procedure and was the sign of anger.
Lily made herself appear suspicious by copping an attitude and having anti-Israeli stickers on her laptop.
Her atitude may not have angered security, but it certainly made them suspicious.
No matter what country you are in, or where you are going, it is not a good idea to be smug when dealing with the police.
@pixiegod
I agree the problem lies in the arab lies.
And as for you – NOT seeing, despite all the evidences and indisputable facts, the problem is in the Arab way of thinking, let alone the Muslm way of thinking, is the exact sure way to 3rd world war and the oblivion of the human race.
Avoiding the truth shall do us no good, we have to confront the problems NOW.
It gives me no pleasure in saying that YOU and people like you are the reason more and more people are turning against israel:
1. You blame Israel and Israelies for telling there is problem, and blame Israel for defending itself (like “I’m sorry but we blew up your laptop”…).
2. You don’t want to hear there is a problem, and you sure beleive the truth is
somewhere in the middle (between the lies told by the Arabs and the truth reported by Israel).
3. According to the way you write your comments I suspect you are thinking like a westerner (whats fair and not, legitimate or not, perception of peace and history, the way to resolve issues and confrontations etc.). All nice and cosy, and almost identical to the Israeli way of thinking. BUT THE ARABS THINK ENTIRELY DIFFERENT WHILE USING THE DEMOCRATIC AND WERSTERN TOOLS (Media, organizations and institutions) TO IMPOSE THEIR TWISTED IDEAS AND PERCEPTIONS (while killing and hushing each and every other arabs who tries to make peace with Israel)
4. Seems you do nothing to enquire what is really the truth, relying on blogs and/or comment will do you no good – seek and you shall find. Then you shall understand I am writing the truth.
Finaly – have a look here, to taste just a tiny aspect of what I’m trying to explain -http://www.hosem.org.il/ye/New-species-of-militants—Civilians
I wish you the very best,
David
@david
honestly…i have been trying to preach peace in all my posts. your statement of: “And as for you – NOT seeing, despite all the evidences and indisputable facts, the problem is in the Arab way of thinking, let alone the Muslm way of thinking, is the exact sure way to 3rd world war and the oblivion of the human race.”
there is very rarely a scenario where this is “indisputable facts”. and blaming the arabs entirely is wrong.
maybe in the past when they waged war against you after being granted the land…yes, they were at fault.
but now, there is enough of the hatfield and the mccoys feud going on, and someone has to big enough to stop it. i had hoped that the jewish people and the israeli state would be that bigger person, and i hope they still make that stand.
someone has to stop the killing. if its not the israelis, then i hope that the arabs finally come to their senses and stop the killing…its gotta happen for its painfully obvious that this constant attacking back and forth is only leading to one thing.
good luck on your war of revenge…i am sure its working out for you and the millions of people in the region.
I’m neither an israeli nor an American, and here is my 2 cents. America and Western Europe is blessed with a ring of virtual protection and there is not much threat in the local soil. You don’t see booby traps in Chicago or suicide bombers in NYC metro. However, in a lot of rest of the world we don’t have that luxury. We face real threat day-in and day-out, and action must be taken in minutes. There is no luxury for carefully disassembling and examining a suspected bomb, in a land attacked by suicide bombers daily. The soldiers must take an immediate decision and most often shooting it with bullets is the best choice. It can disable the bomb without triggering it.
For you the only loss here was the inconvenience of getting a replacement. Even in the 1/100 probability of there being a bomb it is worth taking that risk of destroying your laptop from their perspective. You could be innocent, but so was Anne Mary Murphy who was used by her boyfriend to pack explosives in her Israeli bound pacakge.
In India we too face similiar threats as Israel and we can sympathize with their agony. But, unlike Israel we err on the side of liberty and sometimes outright stupid when it comes to security. Look at what it has brought us. Terrorists holding up a prestigious hotel and bombs going off all over. Even though we had the superior military strength we never used it to silence Pakistan’s terrorist swamps and worse we couldn’t convince Americans about the devil workshops in Pakistan and unlil Americans were harmed, Washington refused to heed our warnings. As long as you are protected by 2 great oceans and a giant peaceful neighbor to the top, it is hard to make Americans serious about global security issues.
FWIW, I have been through extra checks, dozens of times while flying through American airports (Asian brown-skinned male). But, I complained not once. As long as they have a clear logic & strategy & thoroughness, and handle the checks without harassment, I have no problem with spending the extra 10 minutes if I can be peaceful during my journey that my flight would not be subject to terrorist attacks.
If Patrick Henry lived today maybe even he might agree to some of the security measures, as security & absence of terror is essential for preservation of liberty and people to excise their rights.
With all the repercussions and possible threat to dampen a visit to Tel Aviv next June 2010-I think I have to re-route my traveling plans..even . I could not imagine even in my wildest dream how anyone can “murder” a macbook:( And I’m a Mac user too
@Ponch
Whoa, there are a lot of comments on this post. I have not read many of them so my questiong may have already been addressed. First off, bummer you lost your machine. I was noticing where the bullets hit the keyboard and the new MB has a 2.5″ SATA drive almost at the left edge (when facing the keyboard). Now I realize the machine will no longer work properly but have you tried extracting the HD? It may have been unscathed. Someone may have posed this question and it may seem pretty obvious. I was just wondering if you tried that? And what the result was.
@pixiegod,
You still hold your opinion thinking Israel is as avenging as the Arabs…
Israel is the weak side of the story:
It is merely defending itself from arab terror and anti-jewish propaganda, while keeping all international laws and treaties (Needless to say the Arabs don’t…)
The arabs realized they just can’t beat Istael at war, so they turned to terror.
After a while they found out Israel withstands terror – so they started to inflict their influence all over the media: hardcore, twisted, carefully planned, anti-Israel propaganda spreads accross the world, they employ their entire efforts to try and convince the world Israel is the one great source of anti-peace problems in the world.
The result might be people like you, thinking “…blaming the arabs entirely is wrong”
and “good luck on your war of revenge…i am sure its working out for you and the millions of people in the region”
I wish I could wake up one morning and start having a life.
I can’t, nor can the rest of the Israeli people – because we always have to defend ourselves from Arab terror, stay allert and try to report the truth to people like YOU.
Try to get your facts right and don’t fall into the arab propaganda:
1. An entity called “Palestinian people” doesn’t exist. Jews are Palestinians; not the arab tribes immigrating into Palestine some 200 years ago and nowdays claim they are a nation. They are NOT. They are still a handfull of tribes and can go back to the countries they came from – Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan etc.
2. It’s not their land, we didn’t occupy a thing. If any, Israel freed some arabs after 19 years (1948-1967) of cruel and ruthless Egyptian and Jordanian occupation. All of a sudden, just because Israel freed them back in 1967 they suddenly remembered they just have to have a state ?
3. This is exactly a case where one side is ALWAYS telling the truth and the other continuously lies (guess which…)
4. I agree to your statement “someone has to stop the killing”. That someone is the arab side. Israel can not have the right to stop defending it’s civilians. In doing so, it will simply cease to exist, I and most Israelis shall be murdered by the Arabs, the Arabs shall find some other fucking thing to kill others about, and all YOU will have for Israel is some sympathy and maybe a commnet in some unimportant blog… No sir. I want Israel to live and flourish, even though some Arabs might be offended by that fact…
5. Writing something like “good luck on your war of revenge” strongly suggests you REALLY think is a minor quarrel. It’s not, it’s a matter of life and death.
6. Remember – all Israelies wish for peace; true, genuine, durable peace. The kind you don’t have to pay for in land as the Arabs want (the same land which is not theirs to begin with). Just plain peace for peace.
I hope one day YOU will reveal who is telling the truth, but mostly I hope for peace.
Israel’s achievements are great, but they could have been way much greater if it wouldn’t have to waste so much resources defending itself…
May peace be upon us,
David Dutch
Mr. Dutch,
Your claim that the Jews are the Palestinians is a very interesting one: My family roots trace back to 800 years in Nablus (West bank). and I am not sure where do this fit into your story. Also you don’t need to check my word, just refer to various Western travelers that came to the region before the 1900s and read their books (for example “The Innocents Abroad” by Mark Twain) . you will find, as I did, that all people living there were Arabs with mostly Christian and Islamic background. there were Jews as well that shared the same blood as the Arabs and were treated as everyone else.
The problem started when a group European people started taking over the land and forcing it’s people out with the help of all the dominating forces. This is how the likes of you, who has nothing there, came in and took the land by force. The Arabs, as weak as they were, didn’t do the best job getting their rightful land back. which lead to the 1948 birth of Israel. a country that will mostly face a destiny close to what the crusades faced few hundred years ago. Unless you guys find a way to calm things up with the Arabs around you.
@Zak
Dear Mr. Zak
1st – a TRUE history lesson:
1. نابلس is not an arab city, it was called some 5,000 years ago “Shchem” and it is still called that way. It is a JEWISH settlement established way back in history when your great great ancestors still drank wine.
You call it نابلس (in arabic) just because it is the exact disruption of the name given to it by the Romans – “Neopolis” who conquered it in 70 A.D and shattered it to the ground. Around the same year Romans also exiled some the JEWS out of ISRAEL and then named the land PALESTINE.
Shchem is located in Samaria, and YES it is in the west bank of the Jordan River.
It was slowly resettled by JEWS and Samaritans.
Christians sattled in the city during the reigns of the crusaders over the land (1100 phases 1300 A.D.)
Muslims started to immigrate into the city in two waves:
A. During the reign of صلاح الدين يوسف بن ايوب (which was Kurd, by the way), somewhere around 1187 A.D.
B. Under the Ottoman occupation of Palestine in 1500 A.D. under the rule of Yavuz Sultan Selim
(hence your family roots trace of 800 years).
2nd – I too read “The Innocents Abroad” by Mark Twain. This important book proves the entire area of Israel-Palestine was sparsely populated back then (year 1900 A.D. or so) by JEWS AND ARABS. It also proves that all what you see in Israel nowdays – is the doing of the JEWS who were already here and the JEWS returning to their homeland – ISRAEL=PALESTINE from all over the world.
3rd. The problems started when Arab leaders took the wrong decisions starting the year 1920 and on – and all of the rest of the Arabs suffer from their decisions to this date. THE ARABS ALWAYS TRY TO CORRECT THOSE MISTAKE BY WAR, TERROR, MURDER AND LIES, but all is in vain – Israel=Palestine is here to stay no matter what they will try.
4th. Also – the “dominating forces” as you call it (France and Great Britain), during the years around the formal reestablishment of the state of Israel (a.k.a. Palestine) also established all the Arab states – Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia etc. – they just gave pieces of land to the head of tribes who helped them during either WWI or WWII… and thats the countries we see today…
5th. NOBODY forced the arabs to flee their homes during 1948. Whomever left – did it because they replied to فوزي القاوقجي AND الحاج محمد أمين الحسيني calls to “leave so you won’t interfere and/or get hurt in our holly war against the Jews, then return proudly to your homes”. They can blame them, not the JEWS. The proof? – whomever didnt flee the country – still lives inside of Israel; the state of Israel inhabits 1.2 million Arabs, descendants of all who stayed.
6th. The Arabs were not waek then nor they are weak now. Just a brief example – The JEWS in Israel during the 1948 war fought against the regular armies of Iraq, Jordan, Syria, Egypt and Lebanon as well as 2 organized militias – one lead by فوزي القاوقجي and the other by عبد القادر الحسيني . Still – the JEWS won!
The country of Israel=Palestine is here to stay.
As for YOU – I would advise you to stop lying and stop spreading your lies, including in this blog.
الله أكبر فوق كيد المعتدي, and everything is done by Allah, especially the reestablishment and existence of the state of Israel!
may peace be upon us,
David
@Dutch – The way you are making statements as if the Israeli’s are Angels. Get Real and remember you cannot clap with one hand. Lies by Arabs and Muslims? What has Muslims got to do with the Israeli and Palestinian conflict? There are 1000s of Palestinians who are not Muslims – rather they are Christians. All Muslims, Christians and Jews lived in peace and harmony until the creation of Israel in 1948. Get you facts right and read some history.
Your own politicians actions shows how truthful they and yet you are convicting them of all sorts of fraud.
Get a life and enough of your propaganda. Let the peace come sooner than never.
I close it by saying (and I wish one of our US politicians say this and that day is not far off).
Every time anyone says that Israel is our only friend in the Middle East, I can’t help but think that before Israel, we had no enemies in the Middle East.”
Hi Lily Sussman – You need to send this link to Steve Jobs of Apple. I bet he will send you a new MacBook Pro with all the bells and whistles along with the iSlate – Apple Tablet.
I find it horrendous act on any security to blow up a Macbook – all done in the name of Security. It is all BS and the media is there to scare the hell out of common people.
Hey any apple guys – send this link to your CEO – before I step into his office and hand over in Cupertino.
David Dutch and all the other defenders of Israel identify themselves as classic racists. A Jewish state forced into a multi-ethnic region is violent racism, plain as it can ever get. The excuses for ethnic-cleansing are pitifully degrading to those who make them. The ethnicity of the Palestinian people was and is irrelevant, except that they were not ‘Jewish’ enough for the racist Zionist invaders who openly declared their intention of creating a Jewish-supremacist state. The question of whether or not Palestine was a recognized state is also irrelevant except to the violent racists who seek any excuse to deny the humanity of their victims. The Zionist policies that place such emphasis on ethnicity or religion are, by definition, openly racist policies, and the violence that enforces them is racist violence. Israel now leads the world in the moral retardation of its citizens as they so openly struggle with issues that were crystal-clear in the civilized world by the end of America’s Civil War.
Dear Mr. Dutch.
1- I will not go into which name to use for which City. But I am glad you are starting to trace back your previous posting. You said in an early reply:
“An entity called “Palestinian people” doesn’t exist. Jews are Palestinians; not the Arab tribes immigrating into Palestine some 200 years ago and nowadays claim they are a nation. They are NOT. They are still a handful of tribes and can go back to the countries they came from – Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan etc.” And now you are telling us that Nablus was being settled by the Arabs since the days of Saladin. So the Arabic presence in the region is not merely few tribes that can come and go as you wish.
2- As for Mark Twain’s book. I might accept your claim that it proves the existence of the Arabs and the Jews, but it hardly mentioned any of those “immigrants” that came from Europe. Just show me one paragraph and I would be happy to read it. And it will be more interesting if you can point any part oft he book that supports your claims that: ” It also proves that all what you see in Israel nowadays – is the doing of the JEWS who were already here and the JEWS returning to their homeland – ISRAEL=PALESTINE from all over the world.”.
3- I am probably more dissatisfied about Arabic leadership, but It is hardly fair to explain that to the displaced Palestinians living in refuge camps, and as a result the Palestinians started taking things into their own hands, with different shades of success.
4- You forgot that Kinda Abbullah was promised by the British officials to get control over all the region from Yemen until Syria and Palestine was included in that deal. So the Brits were playing along until they won that war.
5- Historical records shows that most of the Arabs that flee their villages were running away afraid from the Israeli troops. There were news about massacres committed and they are documented by the UN. So some decided to leave and some decided to stay.
6- You clearly know that all these armies you were talking about were for nations under occupation, and by whom? The same country that was helping Israel. The commander of the Jordanian army was a British officer for crying out loud. Israel was the stronger army since it’s beginning, b/c this is the only way for it to survive such a hostile environment, there is almost a limit-less support form Europe and the US for this nation and you can see that by comparing the troops and the level of military equipment not to mention the nuclear war heads.
I hope it was clear to your eyes who was lying and who is the truth seeker. From all you have posted so far I don’t see anything that changes my previous opinions, you think b/c the Jews were living in Palestine 5000 years ago then they are entitled to come back and throw away who ever is living there now. You always have this interesting mix between Jewishness as a faith that is enticed by many people Semites and others and race.
@Zak
Mr. Zak,
As I was advising you – STOP Lying,
The Nazi پاول یوزف گوبلز would be pleased, happy and content with you…
I find myself laughing in light of your comments since your replies suggests you are AWARE of the truth but somehow HAVE to write your poisonous lies. That is why I’m writing my post; not to answer your lies, but so other readers would know the facts and the truth, avoiding your lies.
And now – some REAL FACTS (by the way, anyone can find all the information anywhere over the internet, but Still I decided to write the facts):
1. I read all my comments over and over again, and I didn’t find anything to support your false accusation as if I’m “starting to trace back” my previous postings.
Arabs immigrated into Shchem (and I clearly stated Shchem and no other settlement) during the periods of time when Israel=Palestine was under Muslim occupation. The Arabs who flooded the Jewish settlement of Shchem came mostly from what is known today as Saudi Arabia. Also, the Jewish settlements of Nazareth, Jerusalem, Gaza and Hebron were also flooded with Arab Immigrators during the same periods of Muslim occupation. They were all INVADERS.
Other than that, and Mark Twain’s 1869 book’s descriptions supports that fact, all other Arabs immigrated into Israel=Palestine in a few phases (waves) during the last 200 years, mainly during the Ottoman occupation and some during the small period of the British occupation. All Arabs Invaded Israel=Palestine from well-known Arab territories such as Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan etc. They all kept their traditional form of life as clans and tribes.
So, just for the sake of truth, I am writing again my previous comment from my previous post, which relates for the ENTIRE region of Israel=Palestine:
An entity called “Palestinian people” doesn’t exist. Jews are Palestinians; not the arab tribes immigrating into Palestine some 200 years ago and nowdays claim they are a nation. They are NOT.
As for your comment, as if your family roots trace back to 800 years in Shchem, well, in light of your lies, that needs to be checked…
So far for that matter.
2. All the jews who came back into Israel=Palestine (came back, mind you – NOT immigrated) are the rightful owners of the land. they are not Arab INVADERS – they are jewish descendants of the jews who were exiled by the romans around 70 A.D. (why do I have to repeat myself?). Now about the proof you were so cheeky to ask – look at the pictures in the book, read the entire paragraphs which describe the land as abandoned, empty and in a dispirited state, sparsely populated. have a look especially on pages 82 and 126 (!). Mark Twain also writes “everything but the few settlements is just plain desert (and deserted)”.
As that fact was cleared – answering the question “Then who built that magnificiant landscape of Israel=Palestine that we see today ?” is my comment in my previous post -“…the JEWS who were already here and the JEWS returning to their homeland – ISRAEL=PALESTINE from all over the world”, and in any case – not the Arab tribes who do all they can just to destroy, burn, murder and deal with terror.
3. As I already explained – nobody wished (or wishes) to displace any Arab – that is another of your lies. The only left refugees from the 19 century are Arabs.
Speaking about the matter – Israel=Palestine managed to absorb all 2 million jewish refugees who were brutally deported from their properties in all 22 Arab countries with nothing but their clothes on, who were robbed by Arabs and forced to leave all, even their personal belongings behind and were kicked out to Israel=Palestine. They had lots of land, money, jewels, houses, flocks, herds etc. They were kicked out of all the Arab countries entering Israel=Palestine with nothing and even their dignity was taken from them. Still Israel=Palestine managed to resettle them. The current value of their properties is estimated in the hundreds of billions.
And what about the so called displaed Arabs (Arabs, not Palestinians) ? Nothing.
All they know is to blame someone else in their own mistakes, oh yes… and deal with terror. With NO shades of ANY success. Terror is just Terror. And please remember – nowadays Israel has such a military might it can blow up the entire gaza strip (just for the sake of example) and annihilate everything in it in a matter of few hours. It always choose not to, even if it’s own soldiers are in danger. Why? – because Jews sacred lives. plain and simple.
One last fact about the Arab terror – when Arabs couldn’t beat Israel in war, they turned to terror (المقاومة…), and when they found teror doesn’t work quite as they expected – they started accompanying it with lies (as yours) in each and every media type they can find…
4. All what you wrote in your 4th comment is a lie too (can’t you stop it?). حسين بن علي declared himself the king of الحجاز (In modern Saudi Arabia) back in 1917 and was defeated in 1924 by عبد العزيز بن عبد الرحمن بن فيصل آل سعود and was kicked out. He helped the British defeat the Ottomans in WWI and so his sons were given land by Great Britain. One of them was فيصل ابن حسين. He got to be the king of Syria on the 3rd of January 1921. A year later, after he was defeated in the battle of Maysalun (معركة ميسلون), he was kicked out of there by the french and got to be the 1st king of Iraq. Another son was عبد الله بن الحسين who got to be the 1st King of المملكة الأردنّيّة الهاشميّة. Thats about it. Nothing about Israel=Palestine.
5. Historical? (Maybe hysterical lies of yours…) – show the readers! The UN could document nothing as such since these is just a mere, plain, good-old-arab-fashioned lie. On the contrary – the Arabs started killing as many Jews as they could, starting in 1920, in countless terror acts they killed many jewish civilians (and British soldiers) as they could, especially during the years 1936-1939.
6. Another one of your lies YOU just can’t stop to tell. Iraq was an independent state back in 1932 until 1939, and gained it back again on the 26th of October 1947. Jordan got its independence on May 25th, 1946. Syria – on January 1st, 1944 (partially) and fully on April 1946. Egypt (partially) on 28th of February 1922 and fully immediately after WWII (in 1945). Lebanon – January 1st, 1944. All the above states had formidable regular armies, including tanks and planes. Israel=Palestine had no support from any country nor had a regular army, let alone tanks or airplanes… and with the help of الله – Israel=Palestine prevailed and won the war.
To sum things up:
A. It was always clear who is telling the truth and who is lying.
B. Information can not(!) be altered by YOUR opinions and lies, even if YOU desire so. You MUST remember – information is free, public and anyone can seek for it.
C. I am not aiming to change your opinion since you are a just a plain liar.
D. As already proven – just because some Arabs say they were always living in Israel=Palestine doesn’t mean they are telling the truth. No sir. They are telling a lie.
E. No one kicked any Arab out of Israel=Palestine In any given year one would check.
F. No one, Jewish or not, is really interested in what you have to say about Judaism.
G. In all of your comments you always prove to the readers you are a racist, anti-Israeli(=Palestinian) and trying to twist the truth to better suit your ideas.
الله أكبر فوق كيد المعتدي, and everything is done by Allah, especially the reestablishment and existence of the state of Israel!
Make love, no war (and please do try to stop yout lies!)
David.
@david
see…the more you right things like “I am not aiming to change your opinion since you are a just a plain liar.”, the more you drive people from your cause.
regardless…you have to admit, there are two solutions here.
1) someone becomes the bigger man and stops attacking the other. then by default the other will have to do the same due to international pressures. it will happen, there are too many peoples eyes on this conflict and the world is a much smaller place nowadays for it not to occur this way.
2) you guys keep fighting and one of you completely obliterates the other.
i hope its number 1. number 2 never really helps anyone. but the more people like you exist out there, the more that number 2 will the effective result of the conflict.
@pixiegod
dear pixiegod,
I see, and all can see – reading ALL of Zak’s comments shows he/she is as far from my cause as one can be.
People like her/him can not be persuaded, even if given all of the TRUE bits and pieces of history. In other words – they just don’t let the TRUE FACTS confuse them… and they will just continue to lie and try arousing the flames of hatred.
Speaking of my cause – it is VERY simple – LIVE AND LET LIVE.
It is beyond my understanding why the Arabs still wish to kill Jews, murder,burn, lie, hate Israel(=Palestine), and the list just goes on and on…
I hope option number 2 in your reply would never be realized.
It is with great sadness I must write that the more people like you, who thinks Israel might be the aggressor in this story, the more option 2 will overcome… that is where TERROR gets its strength. As long as the Arab TERROR will get a keen public opinion (or a bit of understanding or even confusion, as in YOUR case) among civilians, it will rise and flourish.
I also hope I managed to emphasize ISRAEL IS JUST DEFENDING ITSELF. IT DOES NOT ATTACK, IT DOES NOT KILL CIVILIANS, IT DOES NOT INVADE OTHER STATES’ LAND AND IT DOES NOT HAVE A CONQUEROR-LIKE POLICY.
Option 1 is great. I hope it will become true.
LIVE AND LET LIVE, is it such a bad dream ?
David
I am all for your call pixiegod. But I’d rather attach another thing to point 1: show the truth and compensate it’s victims. This will certainly help curing people’s hearts. It is to the credit of the Jewish people of the world that many of them refuse this kind of life the state of Israel is living and imposing on the people its occupying their lands. The great example in that is S. Africa. where the first step was restoring the rights of the dark skinned Africans and to confess to them that what happened was wrong. By the way, it is not a coincidence what Mr. Mandela is a firm supporter of the Palestinian cause.
@david
its funny, you keep trying to blame everyone…even someone who has no vested interest in the area(me) as to why your people and the arabs can’t stop from killing each other. face the facts…the reason why you cant stop killing each other lies between you guys. not me.
your statement of “It is with great sadness I must write that the more people like you, who thinks Israel might be the aggressor in this story, the more option 2 will overcome” just goes to prove that you are completely blinded in your cause and are only looking in seeking blame in others so you can forgive the atrocities that your side has been a part of. i chuckled when you tried to blame me for the future annihilation of one of you…
@zack
your statement of “But I’d rather attach another thing to point 1: show the truth and compensate it’s victims. ” is totally different than the proof that followed later about s. africa.
your just as bad as david over there. only seeing the atrocities that have been done against you, and not seeing the atrocities that your people have done to others.
how about this? how both of you (zack and david) and your people just stop? you know how easy it is to stop killing people??? i dont kill someone every single day….its easy. and the best part of not killing people…i bet you cant guess what it is.
i will tell you. i dont fear anyone killing me. can you believe that? if i dont kill others, i dont have the fear ever single waking day of my life that someone is going to kill me. what a novel concept.
but i bet you cant even stop debating each other, only bringing up the “facts” that are beneficial to your argument and completely ignoring the inconvienient truths the other side is bringing up. if you can stop, maybe there is a future for peace in middle east. if you cant stop bickering at each other, then i suggest going and arming yourself to the teeth and just go out in a blaze of glory. why hide behind peace when its obvious you just want to win at all costs.
regardless, let me rock both your worlds here…there is NO way to determine who was in the area of palestine first. there were people there before history was written down…so until either one of you war loving monkeys can go back into a time machine and see if it was an arab or a jewish dude who first followed food into the land, then i suggest you both stop using your “truths” to try and prove otherwise.
my guess is that humans of some sort where there long before we became stupid and allowed religion to divide us.
@pixiegod
Dear pixiegod,
Blamig ? Who is blaming ? I wish I was blaming. I am just writing here the exact events and facts of history, is that is your opinion of blaming ?
About you comment “…atrocities that your side has been a part of” – read my previous comments; Israel(=Palestine) doesn’t do anything like the Arabs say, not even close. All the killings done in this region are the direct result of what the Arabs do – Arabs killed by Arabs, Jews are killed by Arabs, Arab civilians mistakenly killed by Isaeli soldiers after Arabs dealing with terror took refuge behind them, Arabs are killed when preparing bombs and other weapons, and it goes on and on.
As I previously wrote – Israel’s(=Palestine’s) motto (and mine) is LIVE AND LET LIVE – if the arabs will stop dealing with terror (and stop lying) – Israel(=Palestine) will not be forced to retaliate and protect its borders and civilians.
Israelis wish for peace and play fair. None of the Israelis kill on purpose or with intent. Arabs don’t play fair and kill deliberately, civilians and soldiers alike (more civilians then soldiers…), Jews and Arabs alike (more Arabs than Jews…)
About your words – “…I don’t fear anyone killing me. can you believe that?” – I can only wish it. For now this is just a dream for me and my country, and a VERY GOOD ONE. If I could report how many terror acts the Arabs are commiting each and every day against Israeli(=Palestinian) interests and civilians…
One day, when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us – there will be peace, I’m sure. Until then – Israel(=Palestine) shall have to defend itself against all the murderous, cruel and ruthless Arab terror (and lies).
One last thing – you wrote “…there is NO way to determine who was in the area of palestine first”. Well, all objective evidences (scrolls, books, archeological excavations, the Bible, the New Testament, the Koran, the times historians agree Judaism and Islam were formed etc. etc.) – All prove beyond any doubt the land called ISRAEL=(PALESTINE) IS the land of the jewish people.
@Zak
This is the first time I can agree, since it is a well known fact, regarding South-Africa.
Into South Africa came a totaly foreign paople (exactly as the Arabs invaded Israel=Palestine), conquered the land from its genuine owners and claimed it as theirs. Eventually the REAL owners of the land won and peace was restored.
This should happen in our case as well –
1. The Arab attempt to conquer more land out of Israel(=Palestine) will be stopped
2. The truth shall be set free and the full rights of the Jewish people shall be restored
3. Life will once again flourish in the region
4. The Arabs will confess for their mistakes, starting with rejecting UN resolution number 181 (Partition Plan for Palestine=Israel) which took place on November 29th, 1947.
5. The Arabs will drop and reject the infamous “Palestinian National Charter” (الميثاق الوطني الفلسطيني) of 1964, which basically calls for the total annihilation of the state of Israel(=Palestine).
6. Full compensations will be paid for the 2 million displaced Jews (and all of their descendants) who were brutally kicked out of 22 Arab countries (النكبة) as well as to the displaced Arabs (which also named the event النكبة).
And peace will be upon us
Simple, no? LIVE AND LET LIVE.
David
@david
writing this “One last thing – you wrote “…there is NO way to determine who was in the area of palestine first”. Well, all objective evidences (scrolls, books, archeological excavations, the Bible, the New Testament, the Koran, the times historians agree Judaism and Islam were formed etc. etc.) – All prove beyond any doubt the land called ISRAEL=(PALESTINE) IS the land of the jewish people.” means you clearly didnt understand what i wrote. or more importantly, you chose not to see it.
there can be no objective study on this subject…just the subjective “truth” you decide to believe in. people existed there before written or even spoken history…the only thing that can be proved is who wrote about being there first…not who truly was there first.
regardless, you kinda proved one of my points by just continuing the posting. lets see if zack can let it go…maybe with zack can we see a true foreshadowing of peace…lets hope because what you foreshadow is not pretty.
Dear pixiegod,
I can understand the frustration you might feel seeing me and Mr. Dutch exchanging information that is mostly one sided and some accusations (from his side). But come to think about it, this is much better than us not talking at all and planning to hurt each other.
I started my first comment on Mr. Dutch’s note to contradict one of his “facts”. Then stated my opinion. He answered with a bunch of info that no one actually cares for because it belongs to history. Yet, the scholar in me pushed me to challenge him to state one paragraph from the book he claims to read and that it supports his opinion. Again no answer.
This is where I usually chose to stop because there is no point in arguing with such unprepared person. One more example is from his last post:”
The Arabs will drop and reject the infamous “Palestinian National Charter” (الميثاق الوطني الفلسطيني) of 1964, which basically calls for the total annihilation of the state of Israel(=Palestine).” Our friend doesn’t know that this charter has been modified in 1998 and all of the parts talking about demolishing the state of Israel were removed before Pres. Clinton’s visit, you can check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_National_Covenant
and see how he thanked the Palestinians for that step.
To sum, I used to think that there is no way to establish a single historic fact in this explosive issue, but I discovered I was wrong. Mainly due to the courage and exceptional scholarship of Israeli historians that are objective enough to say “guys, we did this and that; It might been justified or necessary, but it has been done.” I wish the Arab side had this freedom of speech and strong scholarship to investigate things with a similar manner. But that is yet to be hoped for. There is also another important factor in finding facts: it’s the UN. I am done debating about how unfair it was to establish the state of Israel, I am sure history is full of even more unfortunate stories. But all parties involved are mostly dead now. What we need to do is to help their sons and grand sons that got affected with this. And here we have a very clear agreement on who has to do what: UN resolutions, which state clearly who is taking who’s land (we are only talking about West Bank, Gaza and the Eastern parts of Jerusalem). And that the refugees of 1967 need to get the option to come back home. This is what all the world agreed on and that’s what the Palestinians and all the Arabic governments agreed on accepting. We need to forget the past and think about living in peace, but first the occupation needs to stop b/c those are real people suffering to get water, transportation, anything that makes life normal.
@Dutch fuck,
You sir, sound like a gigantic prick. It would be best if you just went back in time and gave your mother an abortion. I don’t even give a fuck over the issue, maybe you are right over Israel but you still sound like a complete jackass and til then I doubt anyone will ever listen to your views. Peace.
@Jake L. (L for literate, I presume…)
If you find the truth annoying – don’t read my comments.
If you find the issue not interesting – don’t read the blog.
If you want to make the world a better place – you too MUST be interested in stopping the Arab horrific terror, all over the world, in Iran, Iraq, Yemen, Afganistan, Egypt, Sudan etc. which kills people in the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS each and every year.
As you demonstrate in your comment, people don’t care much.
The result ? :
The world turns a blind eye on Arab terror.
Arabs propaganda does its best to convince Israel is the problem, and people might buy this lie
HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of people killed by Arab terror continue to die
Paece is the only solution,
David
@pixiegod
Dear pixiegod,
You will leave your comments and write whatever you see fit,
I will do the same.
ALL WHAT I WROTE IN HERE IS OBJECTIVELY TRUE;
THE FACTS DOESN’T REFLECT MY PERSONNEL OPINION.
ITS JUST THE DRY FACTS ANYBODY CAN VALIDATE (!)
All the studies made are objective – hell, even the Muslim bible, the Koran, tells specifecally Israel is a Jewish land.
No one appointed you an umpire or a judge, let the readers seek the information and decide for themselves.
Regardless of what you write, me or Zak – all of it is NOT important at all.
The only thing important is what the ARABS will do:
Since it is a matter of life and death, there are only 2 possibilities:
1. The ARABS will stop their terror and lies – and there would be peace.
2. The Arabs would not stop their terror and lies – and the situation will get worse for Israel(=Palestine), and even worse for the Arabs.
Regardless, reading your post suggets you clearly didn’t understand what I wrote.
Or ,more importantly, you chose not to see it. The argument who owns the land is unimportant at all, the only thing importnat is to see if the current situation can be solved, as I already pointed out in my previous posts.
You kind of proved that point just by continuing your posting. Lets see if you can let it go…maybe with Zak can we see a true foreshadowing of peace.
LIVE AND LET LIVE,
David
@Zak
Again, Lying will you no good…
You can tap around all you want, with all your innuendoes, replies, false accusations, disinformation and lies.
The “scholar” in you, as you strain to prove, forgot people can read, and gain all the true information almost everywhere.
People who read the link YOU have provided, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_National_Covenant, would find the truth there:
————————– Quoted Text ————————–
“Although the PNC met in Gaza on 24 April 1996, it did not revoke or change the covenant, but only issued a statement saying that it had become aged, and that an undefined part of it would be rewritten at an undetermined date in the future. While the English language press release stated that the PLO Covenant was “hereby amended”, the Arabic version of Yassir Arafat’s letter on this declaration stated:
It has been decided upon: 1. Changing the Palestine National Charter by canceling the articles that are contrary to the letters exchanged between the PLO and the Government of Israel, on 9 September and 10, 1993. 2. The PNC will appoint a legal committee with the task of redrafting the National Charter. The Charter will be presented to the first meeting of the Central Council.”
———————- End of Quoted Text ———————–
AND ALSO
————————– Quoted Text ————————–
“The text of the Palestinian National Covenant remains as it was and no changes whatsoever were made to it. This has caused it to be frozen, not annulled. The drafting of the new National Covenant will take into account the extent of Israeli fulfillment of its previous and coming obligations… evil and corrupt acts are expected from the Israeli side… The fact that the PNC did not hold a special session to make changes and amendments in the text of the National Covenant at this stage… was done to defend the new Covenant from being influenced by the current Israeli dictatorship”
———————- End of Quoted Text ———————–
The Arabs still didn’t drop and reject the infamous “Palestinian National Charter” (الميثاق الوطني الفلسطيني) of 1964, which basically calls for the total annihilation of the state of Israel(=Palestine), to this date.
WHY CAN’T THE الميثاق الوطني الفلسطيني JUST BE CLEARLY CHANGED (AND IN WRITING) ?
Here is a link to the “The 3rd Draft Constitution for a Palestinian State” done by the Arabs who call themselves Palestinians: http://www.pcpsr.org/domestic/2003/nbrowne.pdf
To sum up – first the Arab terror must stop, since it is the only cause of suffering for Arabs and Israelies alike. End of Arab terror means free access to water, transportation, demolition of the fence that was built, and everything else that makes life normal.
Arabs, like Zak, tend to forget facts. As the fact they had 19 years (1948-1967) of living under an Egyptian and Jordanian cruel and ruthless occupation. Egyptian and Jordanian killed his people, controlled their everyday life etc. After 1967 and years on, during the 70′ and the 80′, Arabs and Israelies could sit together and talk, eat, work and laugh. The moment Arabs increased their terror acts – is the exact moment Arabs (and Israelies!) strated to die, the wall was built and security measures on the Israeli side were increased.
To make a long stor short, Zak, you have completely failed in your childish numerous attempts to lie and/or tries to prove I’m wrong. As long as you shall write your lies I have no other choice to report the true facts.
About the “…exceptional scholarship of Israeli historians” you wrote in your reply, well, you are not the only liar (but that is also a well known fact, especially after one reads some of the replies in this blog [and not just YOURS…]).
Finally, I want to write again part of my previous comment:
Into South Africa came a totaly foreign paople (exactly as the Arabs invaded Israel=Palestine), conquered the land from its genuine owners and claimed it as theirs. Eventually the REAL owners of the land won and peace was restored.
This should happen in our case as well –
1. The Arab attempt to conquer more land out of Israel(=Palestine) will be stopped
2. The truth shall be set free and the full rights of the Jewish people shall be restored
3. Life will once again flourish in the region
4. The Arabs will confess for their mistakes, starting with rejecting UN resolution number 181 (Partition Plan for Palestine=Israel) which took place on November 29th, 1947.
5. The Arabs will drop and reject the infamous “Palestinian National Charter” (الميثاق الوطني الفلسطيني) of 1964, which basically calls for the total annihilation of the state of Israel(=Palestine).
6. Full compensations will be paid for the 2 million displaced Jews (and all of their descendants) who were brutally kicked out of 22 Arab countries (النكبة) as well as to the displaced Arabs (which also named the event النكبة).
And peace will be upon us
Simple, no? LIVE AND LET LIVE.
David
What a shame Mr. Dutch. If you see my post, you notice the date I pointed out: 1998. What you refer to was a controversy noted in 1996 and then fixed in 1998. and lets quote the same source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_National_Covenant
——————————————————–Quote ——————————————————-
The Executive Committee of the Palestine Liberation Organization and the Palestinian Central Council will reaffirm the letter of 22 January 1998 from PLO Chairman Yasir Arafat to President Clinton concerning the nullification of the Palestinian National Charter provisions that are inconsistent with the letters exchanged between the PLO and the Government of Israel on 9-10 September 1993. PLO Chairman Arafat, the Speaker of the Palestine National Council, and the Speaker of the Palestinian Council will invite the members of the PNC, as well as the members of the Central Council, the Council, and the Palestinian Heads of Ministries to a meeting to be addressed by President Clinton to reaffirm their support for the peace process and the aforementioned decisions of the Executive Committee and the Central Council.
These commitments were kept, leading President Clinton to declare to the assembled Palestinian officials on 14 December 1998 at Gaza:
I thank you for your rejection—fully, finally and forever—of the passages in the Palestinian Charter calling for the destruction of Israel. For they were the ideological underpinnings of a struggle renounced at Oslo. By revoking them once and for all, you have sent, I say again, a powerful message not to the government, but to the people of Israel. You will touch people on the street there. You will reach their hearts there.
Like President Clinton, Israel and the Likud party now formally agreed that the objectionable clauses of the charter had been abrogated, in official statements and statements by Prime Minister Netanyahu, Foreign Minister Sharon, Defense Minister Mordechai and Trade and Industry Minister Sharansky.[12][13] [14][15] With official Israeli objections to the Charter disappearing henceforward from lists of Palestinian violations of agreements[16], the international legal controversy ended.
———————————-End of Quote ————————————————————
and I rest my case.
@Zak
Notice the word *WILL* in YOUR quoted text:
————————– Quoted Text ————————–
The Executive Committee of the Palestine Liberation Organization and the Palestinian Central Council *WILL* reaffirm the letter of 22 January 1998 from PLO Chairman Yasir Arafat to President Clinton concerning the nullification of the Palestinian National Charter provisions that are inconsistent with the letters exchanged between the PLO and the Government of Israel on 9-10 September 1993. PLO Chairman Arafat, the Speaker of the Palestine National Council, and the Speaker of the Palestinian Council *WILL* invite the members of the PNC, as well as the members of the Central Council, the Council, and the Palestinian Heads of Ministries to a meeting
———————- End of Quoted Text ———————–
Could you tell the readers when such a meeting was held?
On 14 December 1998 President Clinton did declare what he did, but the promiss, made by PLO Chairman was never fulfilled, and it remained as mere letters he sent to Mr. Clinton and Mr. Blair.
Do you really suppose people won’t read the ENTIRE WIKIPEDIA PAGE ?
If you are right (and you are such a liar…) you would be easyly able to provide the readers with a simple link to the new, post 1998, Palestinian National Covenant, which doesn’t include the clauses (# 4, 5, 6, 9, 10, 15, 19, 20, 21 and 22) who calls for the total annihilation of the state of Israel(=Palestine).
I rest my case,
LIVE AND LET LIVE,
David
@David,
we were talking about atrocities a while back, and how i believe that both sides have done their fair share of war crimes. you proceeded to deny any israeli trocities and only focus on the palestinian end.
i kinda want to know what you think about this:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article7010851.ece
just curious.
So… why did they shoot your laptop? Fuck that country. Everytime I hear some Isreal bull shit, even through media specifically filtering out all the bad parts, I wish it was never mentioned in the bible as the chosen people. Jesus Christ, what were you thinking?
Why?,
Simple – It ALL begins (and ends…) with people like you, Bob…
You hear what you want to hear – be it either the Arab lies (all over the media) or the truth.
Just have a look here –
And yes, the laptop was destroyed.
If there wasn’t an imminent Arab terror threat – the laptop would still be intact.
And oh – SO MANY PEOPLE WOULD BE LIVING TODAY IF ARABS WOULDN’T BE KILLNG OTHERS USING TERROR TACTICS (And Israel=Palestine wouldn’t have to spend so many resources to defend itself!).
Love is the REAL answer,
David
Why is everyone talking like this is some official government action? I’ve got lots of friends with stories about young IDF thugs at borders. They have been brought up on stories of the existential threat to Israel, are in a position of authority for the first time in their young, hormone driven lives and enjoy near impunity.
Of course these things happen – they’re just a result of poor discipline. Not policy or conspiracy and definitely not a part of the need to protect Israel.
Go, Apple! I get a Windows-based laptop wouldn’t have taken a bullet for it’s owner! 😉
Unattended, unattended… Why in the world should she have left a fine laptop unattended? To have it stolen?
I never left it unattended…..
i really don’t get why people dont get it, she left it attended by the security personal, so it was in fact not unattended, then some mix up happened and an idiot decided to shot the thing – because thats how you disarm bombs, you don’t blow them up – you shoot at them … just like in the movies!
But i really want to know, did Israel gave you a new Mac? 😉
Now that the furore is dying down about this 😉
Don’t let all the hate mail get to you. Hard, but a good part of them is written by online trolls, psychos and nutjobs that have no bearing on anything. The rest of them merely show how the long term effects of living in a country constantly on guard for violence, can warp their perceptions to varying degrees
Focus on the constructive and rational comments here. There are valid points to be made from all sides and a lot of good will in many of the comments.
Criticism can be handled in 3 ways: Ignored, aggressively denied or taken on board and used as a starting point for discussion. As you have seen, the more hysterical elements here can interpret almost anything as criticism and howl for blood behind a safe mask of anonymity. In other words you will be a “traitor” if you don’t agree with them 100% of the time. In that case, welcome to the majority of the world who prefer to think for themselves. 🙂
Quite an experience for a young person to go through. In some ways, the media aftermath must outweigh the event itself now. Good luck with your future endeavours and trust that most of your future will not be quite so eventful.
I have heard the most rediculous things here. The security in airports in Israel(as of the last 60+ years it hasn’t been palastine) is private so Israel itself doesn’t have to pay jack, if the security wants to pay it can. Also I haven’t done anything wrong to arabs and for some reason they hit me with their car today because I was Jewish (they are not a peaceful nation like they claim: note 9-11, bombings in embassies, and whatnot). I dare you to challenge these statements of truth.
you got what you asked
Oh my god people, you are still questioning who is right and who is wrong! Come to Palestine and you will see for your self
Yes, please come to Israel (there is no such place as ‘Palestine’)! You will see boh native Israelis and other folks from all over the world – Russia, Ethopia, Iraq, etc. – working together to build a peaceful and prosperous society. (Most of these immigrant, I might add, are refugee from Arab countries which persecuted and later expelled them).
Contrast these to the racist Arab states (including te PA-controlled ‘West Bank’) in which only Arabs can live. Consider the corruption, violence, and oppression in these places.
Where would you rather live?
what a shock
may i post on my blog,too
Rather than discussing the politics of Israel, what I know is did the computer still work? I know you said you were able to salvage the hard drive. It’s not everyday that us Mac fanatics get to examine the effects of 3 gunshots on a powerbook! What other parts of the computer were still intact?
I hope you kept the computer. You should give it to your local Mac store, I bet the tech guys there would love to look at it, I know I would.
What is this? Blow up a laptop to save Israel??
Let’s find out what the son of one of the founders of hamas says about Israel
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703915204575103481069258868.html
Let’s find out what the son of one of the founders of hamas says about Israel
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703915204575103481069258868.html
Maybe we should FREE PALESTINE
Oh my god!!! You’re still questioning who is right and who is wrong! alas..
The fact of the matter is, Israel was not a nation until after the Zionist movement and before the Zionist movement began, Jews and Arabs lived in the British mandated land of Palestine. In 1948, after WWII, many Jews, with the help of Britain (since the early 1900s), had arrived there, thus on Man 14th they were given Independence and the formation of the State of Israel proceeded. This happened, regardless of the fact that it was Palestine and had a majority of Arab’s living there.
The American’s backed the Israeli nation 100% with military infrastructure, weaponry, vehicles and financial aid, a funding that has continued to this day at 2+ billion a year. The nation of Israel is breaking many Humanitarian Laws against the Palestinians, as are the American’s in the war’s against other Middle Eastern countries.
This has nothing to do with religion, as it so often relates back to: Muslim terrorists.
This is ALL about money, people are getting rich from this, not a lot, in fact the majority are paying for it through tax dollars.
There are good people everywhere in the world, every country, every city. It is the indifference of good people that is frightening. It is that some people don’t know any better, or choose not to know any better. It is when oppression and difference become constant and important. When justice is blind and ignorance is bliss, then, the good is forgotten and wrong is the only thing left.
Eyes need to be opened, and ears need to pay attention to what is being said. The truth is out there, you have to look for it, but there are people willing to talk about the truth, the facts, the reality. There is a lot of deceit and a lot of bull**** being said by Politicians and mainstream media, but outside of that (the odd time within), there is more to it than a few peoples opinions. There are the real actualities and the informative truths existing before our eyes and ears to grasp. We don’t need to be robbed of our liberties, freedoms or self. This goes for everyone everywhere because it is a constant trend I have noticed, thankfully some people have seen it.
I know this was pretty General, but here are some links to coincide with what I’ve said.
http://wrmea.org/component/content/article/245-2008-november/3845-congress-watch-a-conservative-estimate-of-total-direct-us-aid-to-israel-almost-114-billion.html
http://www.wrmea.com/us_aid_to_israel/index.htm
http://www.dailypaul.com/
Fuck the Israeli government, not the people, not the religion, the bigoted idiots who run it.
Maybe dell should start offering Israel security check insurance which they will replace laptop when shot by security examination. 😉
the previous “Truth/Facts” poster gave some untruths.
After WWII, the British were actively STOPPING Jews from entering the land that would become Israel, stopping them with a naval blockade. Homeless Jewish war refugees, evicted from their European homes and with no place to go, tried to evade the blockade and snuck in.
Then, Jewish people living in the British Mandate territory themselves declared independence and founded the state of Israel. Israel was not “granted” to them by Europe, Europe was working against it. They did it themselves.
Then, Arabs starting rioting and evicting the Jews living in Damascus, Cairo, Baghdad, and the many other Arab cities where they frequently made up more than 30% of the populations. These Jews who had traditionally called these places home had no place to go, so Israel took them in.
Palestinian Arabs who fled from Israel were not taken in by their Arab “brethren”, they were rejected. (Remember, the West Bank at that time was claimed by Jordan. Want to return to pre-1967 borders? West Bank will be Jordan.)
I have nothing but love for my Jewish friends and business associates in North America.
I have nothing but criticism for the state of Israel. They have gone completely off the deep end and trying to make the USA just as insane as they are.
Unbelievable! Glad I will never travel to this shithole called Israel!! Fastist pigs!
Let’s get a few things clear. The Palestinians, under the thug Yasir Arafat are the ones who invented the airplane hijacking. They attacked international planes in international airspace. The Palestinians have killed each other. In fact, Arafat invented the nationality of “Palestinian”. Before Arafat, the term Palestinian referred to Jews who lived in the Land of Israel.
Rept, you should learn a little before you speak or write. The word is fascist. Next, Egypt has a president for life. Syria has a hereditary dictator. Jordan has a king whose grandfather was Saudi. Sauda Arabia has a king. Lybia has a military dictator. Turkey does have a real democracy, but they do not treat their Kurdish citizens well, and their Armenian citizens might have something to say. There are Arabs in the Israeli Knesset. The Mulsim Palestinians in the West Bank have persecuted and pushed out Christian Palestinains.
Who are the real fascists in the Middle East?
if i hear u israel is a real democracy, then PLEASE define democracy
THANK U for posting, for sharing! WE ALL NEED TO KNOW how israel treat the turists, so we can guess how they do with the people they occupied, of course on behalf of security…OF course….We may like more israel tomorrow….
I’ve got about a third of the way into this and I just want to say this is staggering. Not staggering because of the insanity of shooting a laptop (for insane it is) but insane because of the hate, from all sides. With the exception of a few of the more deranged ones, I am sure that you are all good decent people, with friends, families, lives, pets. People you love and care about. Is it so hard for you to behave decently? Is it so hard for to discuss, in a civil respectful manner, the issues affecting all our countries and try and reach some kind of compromise?
Yes, Israelis has done terrible things and, yes, Palestinians have done terrible things. But do you think it it helps to behave like this? To drown out the few voices of moderation with hateful insults and racial slurs? Who wins if you can’t reach a compromise?
To those on the Palestinian side of this, can you not understand how scary it is to live in a country where rockets might fall at moment, where the bus you are on might blow up? To those on the Israeli side, can you not understand how it is to live a country with a no future and no hope, where any minute a tank shell may kill your family? You may not like each other but can you not empathise with other?
Eventually you will have to find a way to live together and the more that you hate before that happens the harder it will be and the longer it will take and the more will die needlessly. You HAVE to stop eventually. Neither of you can wipe the other out. Neither of you can win this way. You can only lose.
So the next time you are in a position to be angry or vengeful or to do or say something hateful, stop. Be moderate. Try and understand, even you find it hard. You may find that few agree with you but if you can convince one person and that person convinces one person then eventually, you will all have peace. Isn’t that what you want?
I am not a religious man and, frankly, I don’t think this is going to make a blind bit of difference. But in the hope that I convince one person I’ll leave you with these quotes:
You shall not take vengeance or bear any grudge against the sons of your own people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Torah, Leviticus 19.18)
Be quick in the race for forgiveness from your Lord, and in the race for a garden wide as the heavens and the earth, prepared for the the righteous are those who spend whether in prosperity or adversity, who restrain anger and who pardon all people.For God loves those who do good. (Qur’an, 3:133 134)
Who takes vengeance or bears a grudge acts like one who, having cut one hand while handling a knife, avenges himself by stabbing the other hand. (Talmud, Nedarim 9.4)
But if someone is steadfast and forgives, that is the most resolute course to follow. (Qur’an, 42:43)
True forgiveness deals with the past, all of the past, to make the future possible. We cannot go on nursing grudges even vicariously for those who cannot speak for themselves any longer. We have to accept that we do what we do for generations past, present and yet to come. That is what makes a community a community or a people a people – for better or for worse. Desmond Mpilo Tutu.
Robin
shooting lap top’s ? ahahhahahah , anyway , israel is a bandit state.
i am not saying it, international politics litrature says so…
Oh my! Googled for “shoot the computer” and found this blogpost.. I hope you got a new one. And some compensation, but I guess you didn’t. Since here’s already a lot of comments about the war I’ll say one thing, let the Israeli actions speak for themselves, and condemn them:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockade_of_the_Gaza_Strip
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_flotilla_raid
(Of course there’s more than just two links)
Everyone here is dumb…this is issue is done, the Israelis reimbursed her for a new computer and she saved all her files. The fact that she made such a big deal over it is surprising.
I had a weird experience but yes it’s because I traveled a lot and to lot of countries. Anyway, I believe that in their country they have a right to ask me question when I’m entering in their space I will obey their rules. Same thing is in Saudi and no one cares about it. Then why ppl care or .IL only ? see guys, there must be some or the other reasons for them for making this shooting. If the lady got so many issues, she should have complained to her embassy about this incident. If not, then there must be some problem which she is not ready to tell us about. It’s a half story. If IDF guys you are listening to this, give us a full story man …
Cya,
Ouch. Security makes sense given the countries listed on the passport, none of them so friendly with Israel to put it lightly. Hard to say exactly why they chose to shoot it and where(Instead of destroying it some other way). 3 bullets in the screen and 1 bullet through what, the processor? And they didn’t destroy the hard drive. Seems like they were more concerned the hardware was compromised than what was on the hard drive(such as malicious code). Wonder if you were delayed in customs or there was a point your computer wasn’t with you for a period of time that they considered that action required.
It hurts to see your Mac ridden with bullet holes. Since they didn’t actually get the hard drive, it doesn’t really make sense, and they could have downloaded that in the ways they know how. Unfortunately you fit into all their neat little categories (I see the clear trail), but that is no excuse. I am so sorry. The only thing I can say is, eventually you “get” the way they operate, you learn to give them what they want so they don’t inconvenience you too much. The bottom line is (but I am still sorry, and you should send them a bill, preferably from acquaintances inside Israel who could easily take this further if they so chose…and the more clout the better) that security is really “insecurity” so you have to think from the standpoint that in their eyes you are a threat to them. Yes, I know when you woke up in the morning and put your hair in a pony tail that was not what you were, but it becomes your “job” (if not, your Mac’s peril) to give these people every assurance you are no threat to them. So you give them all your stuff, freely. You tell them everything they need to know about your concrete plans. You don’t leave questionable material on your devices or person. Count on never being allowed to keep any footage through security, so upload to the web and wipe your temporary memory. Keep records of what you’ve been doing to back up your account. They will take them and make calls. When I left after living there as a citizen for 8 years I was asked questions, very nicely, for 2 hours. They wanted my cards, for work, school, and I gladly obliged on the condition that they return them. This is how it works in the best case scenario. When I renewed my Canadian passport in the TLV embassy the Canadian clerk said I could leave and she’d mail me my birth certificate and the passports old and new. I asked if she was kidding and she replied that they’d be sent registered mail (because everything gets stolen in Israel). Again, I responded that she, now distrustful, could take my documents, scan them, test them, do whatever she needed to prove they were real, including punch holes in the old passport (as they’d send the new one), but that I was not leaving the Canadian consulate to the streets of TLV without any documentation whatsoever that I was Canadian. What was she smoking? You give them what they need, and they usually return your effects. I won’t tell you online how I ensured the safe passage of my parents through customs, but I looked after them. It would have helped if someone had spoken the language, said who they were, and looked after you. This is how it works. I’m so sorry for what you went through. Just remember, it could have been worse. You could be sending this blog via smoke signals from between the bars of a Third World prison. The world is nuts.
@David Dutch
Sadly, some people thing the way you do. Denying someones identity and right to live is outrageous.
Telling that someone should go back where he was 200 years ago. Where were you 200years ago? Maybe you should visit and see if it is the same. That horrible joke fight will not change anything, no jews will ever get rights for palestinian territories nor the other way around. These territorial pretensions are such a silly waste of people resources, energy such a shame.